It's kind of funny actually. People say ME3's ending was leaked, but when you ask anyone what the leak actually said, nobody actually knows. (unless I missed something)
Probably they delayed the game because the game itself wasn't ready, and based on what we have seen so far, it is still far from being ready. During E3 2011, we saw a Mass Effect 3 Beta gameplay footage 9 months before that game's release. We also had seen long, 20 plus minute videos of Dragon Age inquisition 14 months before the game's release. Mass Effect Andromeda is supposed to be released in 9 months tops and what we have is a less than 2 minute long teaser.
Stories don't take that long to be created, but games do. I would not be surprised if Andromeda gets delayed again, though I hope that doesn't happen.
Think about it. Before ME3 came out there was a leak that basically revealed the story and ending of ME3. This ending was supposendly the "Dark Energy ending" which centered around the concept of Dark Energy which was hinted at in ME2. Then Bioware went back in to change the ending to what we eventually got with ME3 and we know the story from there.
Well, aspects of the plot (but not ending) were leaked in a survey and now many if us knows the basic premise of the game.
Bioware has been very quiet about the game, not revealing any story details like they normally do. Is it possible that Bioware has gone back to alter the story a bit in order to maintain a level of mystery?
I'm really struggling to see the logic in this thread.
It starts with a premise that if there is a leak, Bioware has in the past (ME3) changed the story away from what was leaked. I just think the example given was not even accurate. Although aspects of the ME plot changed, the basic plot was NOT actually changed much after the leak. Just the normal level you would expect on a work in progress. They even said at the time the information was old and had already been changed.
Next it talks about how it will change what was in the leak for ME:A and yet the official information we have seen so far has confirmed what was in the leak, nothing has been contradicted at all. The leak was a fairly general level of information the player would see early in the game, it didn't go into details so it doesn't seem likely that they would even be worried about that.
I think they were originally intending to release the game earlier. Yannick Roy said the game would come out sooner than people realised back in 2014 (or was it 2013?), so that clearly isn't the case. But no one outside really knows why it has been delayed. I suspect feature creep and the scope simply being bigger than they anticipated. Some things may well have changed from the leaked survey, it was after all made to get feedback. But I am almost certain it had nothing to do with broad aspects of the basic premise being made public. It just isn't detailed or important enough for them to even be worried about.
Thing is, they apparently do believe that Saren got something useful from that beacon. Although their reaction to Tali's voice recording is so incoherent that I'm not sure it can be rationally analysed.
I find the ME1 plot really funny that way. We're supposed to dislike the Council and Udina for not believing that some alien beacon gave Shepard actual visions about some machine apocalypse.
Yeah, the narrative tries to paint the Council as unreasonable, but when the only evidence Shepard and co. have are bad dreams and the testimony of one guy who was asleep when the attack began, while accusing the Council's top agents (who Anderson happens to hate), it's hard to see it that way.
I mean, the US government aren't exactly going to throw one of their most experienced spies under the bus because someone comes to the White House saying they had a nightmare and that some hobo's testominy claims said spy shot someone, will they?
Yeah, the narrative tries to paint the Council as unreasonable, but when the only evidence Shepard and co. have are bad dreams and the testimony of one guy who was asleep when the attack began, while accusing the Council's top agents (who Anderson happens to hate), it's hard to see it that way.
I mean, the US government aren't exactly going to throw one of their most experienced spies under the bus because someone comes to the White House saying they had a nightmare and that some hobo's testominy claims said spy shot someone, will they?
We also had seen long, 20 plus minute videos of Dragon Age inquisition 14 months before the game's release.
Cellphone leaked pre-alpha footage - not the same thing...
Cellphone leaked pre-alpha footage - not the same thing...
But it shows they were confident enough to show the game to fans. Something Andromeda's team is clearly not.
Eye witness testimony from a traumatized dock worker that had no possible way of describing two secret agent Turians - nonsense.
Random recording that could easily be faked or doctored - absolutely sufficient proof to declare Saren a traitor with no due process whatsoever. They didn't even give him a chance to respond to the allegations. It's nutty.
And they even mention the Reapers in that stupid recording, but the Council incoherently writes that one part of it off as unreliable - with their theory that the geth, an AI race, are so stupid or crazy that they'd believe a fable invented by a random spectre to help him conquer the galaxy or something, and then I guess just kind of be really cool about it once they learn it was all lies?
ME1's plot is not really the kind of thing one should think very hard about (or at all, really).
Eye witness testimony from a traumatized dock worker that had no possible way of describing two secret agent Turians - nonsense.
Random recording that could easily be faked or doctored - absolutely sufficient proof to declare Saren a traitor with no due process whatsoever. They didn't even give him a chance to respond to the allegations. It's nutty.
And they even mention the Reapers in that stupid recording, but the Council incoherently writes that one part of it off as unreliable - with their theory that the geth, an AI race, are so stupid or crazy that they'd believe a fable invented by a random spectre to help him conquer the galaxy or something, and then I guess just kind of be really cool about it once they learn it was all lies?
ME1's plot is not really the kind of thing one should think very hard about (or at all, really).
But it shows they were confident enough to show the game to fans. Something Andromeda's team is clearly not.
It shows they were foolish enough to trust a group of fans to not record covertly and stick the result on the internet.
Clearly they are not going to do that again, it has nothing to do with their confidence in the game.
But it shows they were confident enough to show the game to fans. Something Andromeda's team is clearly not.
And they got tons of backlash when the game changed afterwards. So maybe they don't want this to happen again.
the story should be longer.
ME1,Meet all teamate,search for enemy A,defeat her.Then search for enemy B,defeat him.All done.
ME2,Meet some teamate,horizon story line.Meet some teamate again,collector ship.Meet some teamate again,ending story line.That all.
ME3,Meet all teamate,teamate's personal story,final battle.All done.
The story just too simple,should be long longer.
There is also Saren attacking Eden Prime (why did he have to go personally?) to obtain a Prothean beacon he already possessed (Virmire) , all to find a back door into the Presidium that he didn't need, since he and the Asari commandos already had full access.
ME1's story is a complete mess that makes no sense whatsoever.
And it's not like he couldn't just show up with Sovereign anyway. He could just call it a Prothean war ship he discovered and, hell, get the Council to tour it. I mean, Sovereign's plan just works based on indoctrinating people. Actual military confrontation is rank stupidity.
There is also Saren attacking Eden Prime (why did he have to go personally?) to obtain a Prothean beacon he already possessed (Virmire) , all to find a back door into the Presidium that he didn't need, since he and the Asari commandos already had full access.
ME1's story is a complete mess that makes no sense whatsoever.
Honey-fueled son of a rocket-riding sheep- How did I miss that?!
See my sig. There's no moment in-game where you have a reason to think about this stuff. By the time you have the information, what Saren was trying to do earlier is completely irrelevant; the only thing that matters is that he's trying to destroy everything right now. And then you beat him, and Sovereign, and the game's over.Honey-fueled son of a rocket-riding sheep- How did I miss that?!
See my sig. There's no moment in-game where you have a reason to think about this stuff. By the time you have the information, what Saren was trying to do earlier is completely irrelevant; the only thing that matters is that he's trying to destroy everything right now. And then you beat him, and Sovereign, and the game's over.
ME1 didn't get heavy analysis because people who didn't like it usually didn't stick around. Most of the negative energy on this board to this day comes from people who liked ME1 but didn't like the later games.
I also think that people in general don't tend to over-analyze the first installment of pretty much any sci-fi series... they just make whatever leaps of faith are required. It's the later additions to it where they start picking apart the logic and the continuity, etc. As time goes on, they get less and less willing to just "go with the author(s)'s imagination(s)... and the series eventually just "jumps the shark." ME1 definitely has as many plot holes and things that just don't make sense in it as the later two games... it just gets a bit of a free pass in the minds of many simply because it was the first in the series.
It's too late to change anything, and even if they were upset about it - well, you know what? - they shouldn't have made the plot so damn predictable in the first place that it allowed us to straight up guess it long before any official news.
I don't see it as predictable as you make it seems.
We are a huge hive mind figuring this out together. That's what internet is important. For example: Harry Potter 6th book
Do you know why people could predict the Harry Potter's twist for the 7th book? Because it made sense. J.K. Rowling put clues in that book. It was a good twist because it was prepared. Do you think Rowling changed the plot? No. Do you think fans were sad because they figured the plot twist out? No, because what we couldn't predict it was when Harry will discover that and how it would affect him.
Now is really impossible to surprise people with plot twist. The key is not the plot twist itself, but all the little things make it credible.
We maybe have already guessed plenty of things of the plot. However, that doesn't mean the game's narrative is gonna be bad or boring, neither we can get a lot of surprises we can't predict yet.
See my sig. There's no moment in-game where you have a reason to think about this stuff. By the time you have the information, what Saren was trying to do earlier is completely irrelevant; the only thing that matters is that he's trying to destroy everything right now. And then you beat him, and Sovereign, and the game's over.
ME1 didn't get heavy analysis because people who didn't like it usually didn't stick around. Most of the negative energy on this board to this day comes from people who liked ME1 but didn't like the later games. I wouldn't call it hypocrisy, exactly; the later games were a bit more in-your-face with the nonsense.
But it shows they were confident enough to show the game to fans. Something Andromeda's team is clearly not.
It shows they were confident enough to 'demo' the game behind closed doors with some fans,
some of whom abused that trust and posted it on youtube leading to endless arguments about Crestwood content.
There is no evidence that BioWare lack any confidence in MEA (which they shared with Shinobi for example)
merely that they don't have any trust in any group of fans not to share their work in progress.
Yes. Their lead writer left relatively quickly on the project I have no doubt we're going to see some screw ups that make that very obvious as you go through the game.
Think about it. Before ME3 came out there was a leak that basically revealed the story and ending of ME3. This ending was supposendly the "Dark Energy ending" which centered around the concept of Dark Energy which was hinted at in ME2. Then Bioware went back in to change the ending to what we eventually got with ME3 and we know the story from there.
Well, aspects of the plot (but not ending) were leaked in a survey and now many if us knows the basic premise of the game.
Bioware has been very quiet about the game, not revealing any story details like they normally do. Is it possible that Bioware has gone back to alter the story a bit in order to maintain a level of mystery?
No. The 'Dark energy' ending was not leaked in either of the leaks; the one in March the year before release or the one in November the year before release. I've read both leaks. There is no mention of the 'dark energy' ending. The 'dark energy' ending came from fan speculation and an interview with Drew Karpyshyn, not any of the story leaks.
In both leaks, the ending is substantially the same as the one that was originally released. Some dialogue changes slightly. That's pretty much all.
But it shows they were confident enough to show the game to fans. Something Andromeda's team is clearly not.
Bioware has openly said they are approaching how they show ME:A different presumably from all the backlash they got on DAI's early demo spilling negativity everywhere when people saw the final product had tons of cut content. Rockstar/Bethesda's method is the smart way because consumers do not understand how game development is ever changing. Closer you are to release, the less likely you're going to show footage that has cut content and visual downgrades in the game = less negativity.
EA would not allow a few month delay on this game if they were not confident it would make it into that quarter. They have shareholders to please. Another delay can happen of course but I guarantee you EA will not be happy with Bioware if it does happen. The deadline is set(at least a general period...my guess is they'll extend it all the way until the end of the quarterly report) and Bioware is expected to meet it now. DAI had a year extension from EA only because Bioware wanted to implement feedback into their game like customized races. Doesn't appear that's really happening here and the game has already been in development for 4 years with full production happening probably right after DAI released. They have at least 3 teams on the project. Bioware Montreal, Bioware Edmonton and Jade Raymond's EA studio helping with this game and a Star Wars project.
Mass Effect is a bigger franchise than DA and is much more money for Bioware/EA. EA needs a heavy hitter for early next year because they don't really have anything else. Ready or not it will be pushed out by spring, IMO.
This.
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad"
[Shigeru Miyamoto, 1996]
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