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[Deebo305]

There was no objective reason for the whole campaign to be about taking Earth back. There is nothing important about it in the Mass Effect setting other than it is humanity's homeworld.

Also for two out of the three backstories, Earth wasn't Shepard's home planet. They could have no emotional connection to it whatsoever.

Thats not entirely true, Earth is still thr home of the Human race regardless of what colony or ship Shepard was raised at, it would still be the place for him and every other human would call their home. Abandoning it and not making any attempt to fight for it would be entirely out of character whether your paragon or renegade

May as well say Rannoh is nothing but another rock to the Quarians since a majority of the fleet grew up on the flotilla rather than the planet

[Seraphim24]

The switch from ME1 to ME3 almost made it feel like the shift was from Saving the galaxy to taking the galaxy back from the galaxy savers or something weird and crazy it's true.

[themikefest]

 As I see it, Palaven or Thessia are far more strategically important than Earth is.

I don't agree. But, whatever.

 

Lets say the Citadel is moved to Thessia, since you say its strategically important. Would that mean Shepard has some random asari come up with the same stupid idea that Anderson had by charging to the beam? Instead of humans being killed on the beam run, it would be asari. Hmmm. I don't see a problem with that part. Instead of Anderson going up the beam, that same random asari  goes up the beam and dies at Shepard's side. Hmm. You know what? You're right. It is more important. As long as less humans are dying, the better.

 

The same can be said for Palaven.

[Criz]

while I would welcome the opportunity to play as another species, I had to realized after the Dragon Age games that I have a closer connection to the more set characters like Shepard and Hawke. Also, I didn't even think about the potential for non-human protagonists when I started this topic, it was just about the issue of making humans overly important again.
I mean the original Mass Effect had humans as the newcomers to the galactic community, but I think they didn't use this as effectively as they could have. And when moving to Andromeda all of the Citadel species are newcomers - as was pointed out, we're all in the same boat. I do wonder though if perhaps the turians and quarians are in one of the other Arks because they have different requirements for a new planet to settle.

And I was thinking about AIs and Geth to take care of the people, but depeding on how things went in ME3, the Geth no longer exist and EDI was basically the only AI we know of, aside from some (less developed?) rogue AIs and I guess you wouldn't want those to take care of the ship - I wouldn't be surprised if they'd give the Arks and/or Tempest an AI the way EDI was during ME2. Perhaps with a robot body - wasn't there a tv series with a ship like that ironically named Andromeda? 
Also, depending on when exactly the ships leave to search for a new home, they may have still been close enough for the Destroy-wave to hit them and kill the synthetics.

[Vilio1]

May as well say Rannoh is nothing but another rock to the Quarians since a majority of the fleet grew up on the flotilla rather than the planet

 
But not every quarian in the series is obsessed with Rannoch. My problem is that Bioware felt that we would care about Earth over all else by default despite on being on it for a few minutes at the start then coming back to a craphole at the tail end.

Frankly, I was more concerned when I saw Thessia in flames (mainly because Liara was there) than Earth.

[SwobyJ]

I care a lot about mankind.

 

However, I dearly hope that MEA is the last Mass Effect that focuses on it. If MEA can be a 1/2 human story but also 1/2 'transferring' to a larger story, then cool. It'd probably be more than ME1-3 had, IMO.

 

I didn't need it for MEA, but I really really want alien protag options in any ME5. As well, I want to move past jumping around a galaxy, and setting up outposts, and I want to finally dig deep into alien cultures directly. But MEA itself I am not upset by so far.

[Silvery]

Well, the story has to be human-centric to some degree since we are humans, playing as a human and experiencing the galaxy from a human point of view. I think that ME 1 had the best balance of this by being human-centric to a certain degree but still focusing a lot on the other species and learning about their history, culture, values, etc. 

 

That being said since in ME:A all the Milky Way races are in the same boat. So the whole story will still have a human centric view, but I would assume it would be about all of the species trying to come together to survive in this new galaxy and explaining the background, culture, etc. of the new Andromeda species. 

[goishen]

Literally, I had every one of the classic scifi tropes down in my brain when I first started ME.  "Oh, it's gonna be like this..."  "Oh, it's gonna be like that..."   It blew them all outta the water.

 

Mass Effect is one of the greatest pieces of Sci-Fi literature to hit in the past 20 years.  30 if I'm really pushing it.   

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Thats not entirely true, Earth is still thr home of the Human race regardless of what colony or ship Shepard was raised at, it would still be the place for him and every other human would call their home. Abandoning it and not making any attempt to fight for it would be entirely out of character whether your paragon or renegade

May as well say Rannoh is nothing but another rock to the Quarians since a majority of the fleet grew up on the flotilla rather than the planet

I disagree completely. And no, it would not necessarily be out of character for our character.

 

I think the Quarians are complete idiots for putting so much emphasis on Rannoch. I completely agree with Legion on the concepts of homeworlds: 

Legion: "'Home' is recognized patterns. Known spaces. Familiar thought processes of fellow sapients. It is belonging. A planet is an amount of material massive enough to collapse into a spherical volume. Rocks, ice, and gases are not 'home'. The home of the Creators is where the Creators are. Their place of origin is not relevant--only where they choose to go together."

[Laughing_Man]

I see in this thread the word "care" quite a lot.

 

Care about Earth, care about the Humans, care about the aliens, don't care about any of them, etc.

 

This is not the issue with "Take Back Earth". This is not a question of caring or emotion, but strategy and tactics.

 

Realistically speaking, you simply can't take back earth. The citadel forces combined have probably less than 150 Dreadnoughts.

To destroy one Reaper Dreadnought it takes the firepower of four citadel Dreadnoughts. The Reaper forces have thousands of Dreadnoughts (if not more).

 

Considering those numbers "taking back" anything is simply unrealistic. The Turian fight on palevan is nothing but suicide, with or without the Krogan.

Going back to "take back" earth with the majority of the Citadel's forces simply means that everyone will die in one glorious charge against the Reapers.

 

The Reapers might lose at most a dozen of their number. With such a force you simply don't enter into a slapping match. You never fight head to head.

 

As I mentioned before, blowing up the Charon relay should have been at the very least considered. Earth was lost anyway at this point.

Killing possibly the largest concentration of Reapers in the galaxy in one fell swoop, including Harbinger, would have been worth the sacrifice.

 

Realistically, the slogging match above Earth should have been much, much shorter, with the Citadel forces being destroyed at an alarming rate.

The cut-scene didn't really show the power of all those reapers. Remember what a single Reaper was capable of during ME1.

[goishen]

Yah, and we thought we had it hard when we went on the suicide mission in ME2.   Imagine being one of the guys on one of those ships?   "Missiles away....   And we're ^$%&ed."

[EpicNewb]

I'd be willing to do a single player campaign through the Drell or Krogan perspective

[Laughing_Man]

I'd be willing to do a single player campaign through the Drell or Krogan perspective

 

Sure, I'd play an alien. But only as long as the cinematic portions of the story are not compromised.

 

If DA:I is an example to what we can expect in case of a multi-racial protagonist, than no thanks.

(even in those few cut-scenes that made it into the game, the "Kosith" and sometimes Dwarf PC's looked ridiculous. Elves had their own problems too...)

[DuskWanderer]

I do like other species in the Milky Way. 

 

Salarians are awesome

Elcor were a missed opportunity

I never really got to see a "real" turian (Garrus himself admits he's not a good one) 

I wanted to see more drell. To have just one question: How prevalent are their biotics, since Thane and the MP drell were all biotics. 

I kinda like the Hanar, although I don't know what else you could do with them.

 

And while I never wanted to ignore humanity, I wanted to see more of those races. However (and I sound like a broken record, I think), we got far too much krogan and asari, and the others were left in the dust. 

 

Give me those races, please. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I see in this thread the word "care" quite a lot.

 

Care about Earth, care about the Humans, care about the aliens, don't care about any of them, etc.

 

This is not the issue with "Take Back Earth". This is not a question of caring or emotion, but strategy and tactics.

 

Realistically speaking, you simply can't take back earth. The citadel forces combined have probably less than 150 Dreadnoughts.

To destroy one Reaper Dreadnought it takes the firepower of four citadel Dreadnoughts. The Reaper forces have thousands of Dreadnoughts (if not more).

 

Considering those numbers "taking back" anything is simply unrealistic. The Turian fight on palevan is nothing but suicide, with or without the Krogan.

Going back to "take back" earth with the majority of the Citadel's forces simply means that everyone will die in one glorious charge against the Reapers.

 

The Reapers might lose at most a dozen of their number. With such a force you simply don't enter into a slapping match. You never fight head to head.

 

As I mentioned before, blowing up the Charon relay should have been at the very least considered. Earth was lost anyway at this point.

Killing possibly the largest concentration of Reapers in the galaxy in one fell swoop, including Harbinger, would have been worth the sacrifice.

 

Realistically, the slogging match above Earth should have been much, much shorter, with the Citadel forces being destroyed at an alarming rate.

The cut-scene didn't really show the power of all those reapers. Remember what a single Reaper was capable of during ME1.

Especially since realistically, we would never have even gathered that many ships for the assault. Realistically, Earth wouldn't be the Reapers first target, but instead would be the Citadel. A single Reaper Dreadnought and the Heretic fleet were able to decimate the Citadel defense fleet, so thousands of Reapers would cut through them like butter. They would also not use the Mass Relays, and instead warp in point blank and get in before the Citadel could be closed. Once the Citadel is acquired, the war is over since the Mass Relay Array is in their control and the rest is merely a harvest same as the other countless times before. 

[Red Panda]

DA:I had it right with Dalish player characters, imo.

 

Let's consider that they had Dalish centric quests where you could kill off your own clan.

[Alex_Dur4and]

I do! Just as much as I care for any other...

Diversity is great and, like Bioware did with Dragon Age Origin, they can start us on any home world and we'll end up on the Citadel/Ark to become CSEC/Specters or whatever mainstream mission the Devs come up with. Add a voice filter here, another voice filter there, a few race specific dialogs and voila!! Everyone can play the council race they like!!

It's even easier if all wake up in stasis pods along side each other!!

[ZipZap2000]

If I'm being honest I'd rather see earth burn justifiably and us as a species forced to confront our flaws and redeem ourselves for being what we are.

That would make a lot more sense.

Unfortunately humans are too stupid to think that far outside the box and EA knows that.

So we get "Humanity #1" while aliens symbolically take on our worst traits to make them appear foreign.

I hate human centric BS.

Unless we're fighting zombies, then it makes sense.

[DuskWanderer]

If I'm being honest I'd rather see earth burn justifiably and us as a species forced to confront our flaws and redeem ourselves for being what we are.

That would make a lot more sense.

Unfortunately humans are too stupid to think that far outside the box and EA knows that.

So we get "Humanity #1" while aliens symbolically take on our worst traits to make them appear foreign.

I hate human centric BS.

Unless we're fighting zombies, then it makes sense.

Is that why everyone keeps going on about the superior asari in the game? 

[ZipZap2000]

Is that why everyone keeps going on about the superior asari in the game?

I don't see how in game chatter is relevant to my out of game opinion on an entirely different race, pyjak.

*Swirls Ryncol*

[DuskWanderer]

I don't see how in game chatter is relevant to my out of game opinion on an entirely different race, pyjak.

*Swirls Ryncol*

Aliens "symbolically take on our worst traits", but everyone says the asari get the best traits. I think your interpretation is forced. Like, a lot. 

[ZipZap2000]

Aliens "symbolically take on our worst traits", but everyone says the asari get the best traits. I think your interpretation is forced. Like, a lot.

Who exactly did you think was doing the western upper class "I'm rich, sexy and better than you are." routine?

What a Pyjak.

*Sips Ryncol*

[Cyonan]

Aliens "symbolically take on our worst traits", but everyone says the asari get the best traits. I think your interpretation is forced. Like, a lot. 

 

Being a stripper is our best trait?

[SKAR]

Shut the h3!! up man. This isn't worth my time. I'm gonna pretend like I never saw this thread.

[Monster A-Go Go]

Yeah, I really hate the "Rah-Rah Humanity!" theme.  But then any kind of tribalism really bothers me.  I feel no special bond to my own hometown, country, race, gender, religion, or anything else that was basically an accident of birth.  What I do care about are the communities I've chosen or built.  I accept that this isn't true of most people, however, and I understand how this kind of blind patriotism to Earth and humanity bleeds into the game.

 

I just hope it's better this time.  There's no reason for us to be only looking out for humanity when we have hundreds of thousands of Milky Way denizens hoping for our success.  The option to be a hardcore species-ist should be there, but so should the opportunity to care for all interests of the galactic melting pot we represent.