For those who played Dragon Age, it would reflect Wynne and especially Vivienne. That would provide an interesting angle to see a krogan who is not potentially biased or has a conflict of interest; allowing some intriguing philosophical dialogue. It is disappointing that not a single krogan in the series can see the other side of the debate.
Should there have been a krogan character who defended the genophage?
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Posté 19 juin 2016 - 12:09
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There was a such krogan. Dr. Okeer advocated for the continuation of the genophage (that is why he never cured it in his genetically engineer perfect krogan), since it is a survival of the strongest-type of thing.
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Posté 19 juin 2016 - 01:44
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There was a such krogan. Dr. Okeer advocated for the continuation of the genophage (that is why he never cured it in his genetically engineer perfect krogan), since it is a survival of the strongest-type of thing.
I do not think he defended it, but rather wished to make it irrelevant. And I assumed Grunt still had it because it was now part of every krogan with no known cure. Okeer also stated that the genophage doesn't produce strong krogan.
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Posté 19 juin 2016 - 05:09
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It's possible but more likely IMO would be a krogan who didn't exactly defend the genophage but admitted that they were a genuine threat that needed stopping, so would at least be amenable to asking "what's to stop you going on the rampage again if it's cured?" (a question I really, really wanted to ask Wrex and / or Eve). I'd hope some of them would've thought about it, the krogan don't strike me as stupid (I think that they can think their way out of problems, they just much prefer punching their way out).
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Posté 20 juin 2016 - 09:55
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Wrex and Eve, despite what they think are practical defenders of the genophage. And it's clear from the epilogue 'cure' slides that the cure wasn't simply a cure, it altered the Krogan to only produce one offspring at a time, rather than laying hundreds of eggs in a clutch. It's the only explanation that makes sense, I just wish the writing teams had worked together as the genophage altered from ME2 to ME3 rather drastically. They should have explicitly said that allowing technological-level Krogan to reproduce in mass quantities to be unsustainable and off the table, but if they were to be altered to have more of a human birth cycle, we can do business. As said, it's clear from the Krogan nuclear family slides that the cure did exactly this.
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Posté 21 juin 2016 - 03:59
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Wrex and Eve, despite what they think are practical defenders of the genophage. And it's clear from the epilogue 'cure' slides that the cure wasn't simply a cure, it altered the Krogan to only produce one offspring at a time, rather than laying hundreds of eggs in a clutch. It's the only explanation that makes sense, I just wish the writing teams had worked together as the genophage altered from ME2 to ME3 rather drastically. They should have explicitly said that allowing technological-level Krogan to reproduce in mass quantities to be unsustainable and off the table, but if they were to be altered to have more of a human birth cycle, we can do business. As said, it's clear from the Krogan nuclear family slides that the cure did exactly this.
What? A slide from the epilogue shows them holding 1 baby but I didn't interpret this to mean that the cure alters them to have a modified offspring count compared to before.
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Posté 22 juin 2016 - 11:08
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Wrex and Eve, despite what they think are practical defenders of the genophage. And it's clear from the epilogue 'cure' slides that the cure wasn't simply a cure, it altered the Krogan to only produce one offspring at a time, rather than laying hundreds of eggs in a clutch. It's the only explanation that makes sense, I just wish the writing teams had worked together as the genophage altered from ME2 to ME3 rather drastically. They should have explicitly said that allowing technological-level Krogan to reproduce in mass quantities to be unsustainable and off the table, but if they were to be altered to have more of a human birth cycle, we can do business. As said, it's clear from the Krogan nuclear family slides that the cure did exactly this.
I think this would have been an awesome third option. Don't return to the unsustainable numbers and end the genocide. If you had made the right choices you could cure the Krogan, keep the horde at bay and secure the Salarian fleet. Which would make for a much more pleasant world state. As much as i love the little guys they simply bred too much.
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Posté 22 juin 2016 - 02:34
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There was a such krogan. Dr. Okeer advocated for the continuation of the genophage (that is why he never cured it in his genetically engineer perfect krogan), since it is a survival of the strongest-type of thing.
I know this is a bit off topic, but I really do wish we could have had a longer story arch with Okeer. The audacity he had along with his personality made me interested in him instantly.
Also, yeah, the fact that he was just going to clone krogan to subvert the genophage was pretty topp.
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Posté 22 juin 2016 - 03:52
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What was to be Okeer's role on the Normandy had his recruitment been successful? An assistant for Mordin?
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Posté 22 juin 2016 - 04:09
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What was to be Okeer's role on the Normandy had his recruitment been successful? An assistant for Mordin?
Yeah, it does bog down a bit when you think about how it would work with the other characters. I suppose I would have liked him to be not a squad mate but rather a temp character like Eve (for about 3 core missions max) and then die/leave.
Though...the tension between Mordin and Okeer would be kinda cool.
Mordin: "Genophage was the best solution possible. Right call, right time"
Okeer: "I made your work obsolete and thus ignore it. Cast it down into forgetfulness!!!"
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Posté 22 juin 2016 - 04:55
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I think this would have been an awesome third option. Don't return to the unsustainable numbers and end the genocide. If you had made the right choices you could cure the Krogan, keep the horde at bay and secure the Salarian fleet. Which would make for a much more pleasant world state. As much as i love the little guys they simply bred too much.
But then it wouldn't really be a big choice if there was one clearly superior outcome. Then again, the Rannoch choice had that too.
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Posté 22 juin 2016 - 04:57
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What was to be Okeer's role on the Normandy had his recruitment been successful? An assistant for Mordin?
They never thought of that. You've got to roll with it.
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Posté 28 juin 2016 - 01:56
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I liked Okeer. Probably the only krogan that I like.
There should have been an option to recruit him instead of Grunt. Like the tank got damaged due to a decision Shepherd makes instead of the room being flooded with gas.
There should have been an option to recruit him instead of Grunt. Like the tank got damaged due to a decision Shepherd makes instead of the room being flooded with gas.
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Posté 07 juillet 2016 - 04:38
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This would have been the obvious place for Grunt to come in. As the "son" of Okeer, he should have espoused some of Okeer's belief that the Genophage only selected for the strong, and that the horde was unsustainable. In fact, Grunt's very existence should be a big argument for not curing the Genophage. Imagine "the perfect Krogan" passing his genes to a thousand children at once. And that's just a single clutch.
Alas, he was reduced to a generic brute.
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Posté 07 juillet 2016 - 05:48
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This would have been the obvious place for Grunt to come in. As the "son" of Okeer, he should have espoused some of Okeer's belief that the Genophage only selected for the strong, and that the horde was unsustainable. In fact, Grunt's very existence should be a big argument for not curing the Genophage. Imagine "the perfect Krogan" passing his genes to a thousand children at once. And that's just a single clutch.
Alas, he was reduced to a generic brute.
Grunt certainly could be seen as a missed opportunity for a krogan who is not a simple cliche. I feel the same about Morinth. That quest would have been way more interesting, and more philosophically challenging in who to save, if Morinth was like Falere in being celibate but just on the run. Would you defy Samara, the justicar order, and the asari government by killing Samara to save a fugitive? I could even see a celibate romance opportunity. The way it was, Morinth was a mere villain who you have no logical reason to save.
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Posté 08 juillet 2016 - 12:58
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Oh, it was probably intended as the renegade option. Seems that ME 2 assumed Ren Shep was trying to join the Sith.
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Posté 08 juillet 2016 - 01:53
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Everything about Okeer/Grunt/Male Shaman is sort of anti-genophage. They just neglected it because I think the writer left (Brian Kindregan) and Weekes ended up being heavy handed with just one angle (Mordin). But those were two sides of the same story in ME2.
The male shaman went so far as to say the Krogan needed to nuke themselves again. lol. He believed they could only truly evolve through struggle. That's kind of the point of Grunt's initiation as well.
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