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[Mossi]

So Bianca caused all the trouble with the game. The conclave, Corypheus, red templars. She did all that and then got to trash talk the inquisitor and then drop the mic and walk away? 

[vertigomez]

pls take a nap

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So Bianca caused all the trouble with the game. The conclave, Corypheus, red templars. She did all that and then got to trash talk the inquisitor and then drop the mic and walk away? 

Well, she only was able to do that because of Varric giving her the Red Lyrium shard. Everything in DAI is Varric's fault. 

[phoray]

So Bianca caused all the trouble with the game. The conclave, Corypheus, red templars. She did all that and then got to trash talk the inquisitor and then drop the mic and walk away? 

Technically, it's Hawke's "fault" for releasing Corypheus because of not wanting to die in a Warden Prison. 

 

And Anders actions sort of caused the Conclave to be a thing. 

 

So, Hawke caused the person. Anders, Fiona, Wynne, and the Divine caused the place.

 

And the Inquisitor caused the explosion by catching a ball.

[LadyLaLa]

Technically, it's Hawke's "fault" for releasing Corypheus because of not wanting to die in a Warden Prison.

And Anders actions sort of caused the Conclave to be a thing.

So, Hawke caused the person. Anders, Fiona, Wynne, and the Divine caused the place.

And the Inquisitor caused the explosion by catching a ball.

This is the best explanation for the events of the game I've ever heard, but you forgot that Varric helped with the person and both he and Hawke caused the red lyrium.

[phoray]

This is the best explanation for the events of the game I've ever heard, but you forgot that Varric helped with the person and both he and Hawke caused the red lyrium.

 

 

Well, Varric was present but Hawke was always the person who decided where they would go, not Varric. And red lyrium has been around a very very long time. That idol predated even Ancient Dwarves and it was made from Lyrium, which we find out is a living organism. Neither Hawke now Varric gave birth to red lyriums existence. And come post Conclave explosion, we find the stuff literally everywhere and it's not really explained why something that's existed 1000 years + has only now flourished enough to be present so abundantly.

[Yermogi]

So Bianca caused all the trouble with the game. The conclave, Corypheus, red templars. She did all that and then got to trash talk the inquisitor and then drop the mic and walk away? 

I am sincerely hoping that in the next game, if she actually shows up, that the character gets to go "... So, you caused thousands of death, the near destruction of the Templars/Mages, aided Corypheus in his mission, all because you didn't think things through, and then you insulted the only person capable of stopping him? ... Just how smart did you say you were again?"

 

But I have to say that I don't think we'll be seeing any more of either her, or Varric, outside of occasionally being mentioned. And to be honest, I'm fine with that. As far as I'm concerned, Varric was an amazing character who had great potential, but it was wasted. It looks like he'll never get over Bianca, the Mary-Sue would-be-Paragon who left him at the altar, and he'll spend the rest of his life writing stories about other people rather than trying to fix his own. I found myself pitying him as the game went on, honestly. And if he does show up in the next game, I sincerely hope that we get to give him a reality check about the state his life is in.

 

Basically, Bianca was a terrible character and when it comes to her, Varric is a fool. If they were going to reveal who she was, they should have just said that she died tragically and Varric is too heartbroken at the way she was lost to move on. Still sad, but not annoying.

[vbibbi]

She (and Varric and Hawke and Anders and...) was the spark that lit the very dry tinder which was the setting prior to DAI. Yeah she's partially responsible, but if the political, religious, cultural environment had been different others could have prevented her actions from having as powerful an impact as they did.

[Alaric]

So Bianca caused all the trouble with the game. The conclave, Corypheus, red templars. She did all that and then got to trash talk the inquisitor and then drop the mic and walk away? 

 

She had a big part to play, but she wasn't the cause; or at least, not exactly.

Senior-Warden Janeka wanted to free Corypheus from his prison in the Vimmark Mountains and wanted Hawke for his blood to break the seals that keep the Magister sealed. All of this was intially stemming from the fact that Corypheus was influencing the actions of the Grey Wardens around him by using the taint as a form of manipulation. Janeka was also the one that forced a Dwarven Carta to drink Darkspawn Blood and go after Hawke relentlessly, wanting to appease their 'master'. Wherever we like it or not, Hawke had to confront Janeka and/or Larius otherwise he would be hunted down for the rest of his natural life.

Before this, Varric and Hawke go on the Deep Roads Expedition and end up discovering the Primeval Thaig; leading to the discovery of the Red Lyrium Idol. Depending on certain choices you make Varric either keeps or gets rid of the shard of Red Lyrium but Bianca gets her hands on it in order to find out what it really is. She finds out; Blighted Lyrium. Now, at the time. Corypheus was posing as either Janeka or Larius, or simply as a Grey Warden Mage and Bianca unwittingly helps him in finding the source of the Lyrium; thus augmenting Corypheus power even further. So yes, in some regards she was responsible, but none of it was intentional. She does try to do right by Varric and the Inquisitor but by then the damage is done.

Solas shoulders quite a lot of the blame for the events of DA:I. He gave Corypheus the Orb of Fen'Harel, hoping that he would unlock it (because he was too weak after his incredibly long slumber.) and then get killed in the explosion, leaving him with unlocked orb and the world at his fingertips. Apparently, he didn't know about Corypheus' ability to shift his essence to other bodies at the moment of death, just like an Archdemon. So this meant that the Darkspawn Magister was technically immortal. This lead to the Breach and the multiple Fade Rifts opening up across Thedas.

There are other factors, such a political upheaval and the rebellion, but at the end of all things, I wouldn't blame Bianca specifically, but many people for their actions; Hawke, Malcom Hawke, the Grey Wardens, Varric, Bianca, Solas, etc; for they were the first few loose rocks that began the land slide that was rise and fall of Corypheus.

[Sifr]

Technically, it's Hawke's "fault" for releasing Corypheus because of not wanting to die in a Warden Prison. 

 

And Anders actions sort of caused the Conclave to be a thing.

 

Technically... Hawke was only at the prison because Varric tracked down the Carta, who had been paid to ambush them by Janeka, who was looking for the offspring of Malcolm Hawke, hired by her mentor Larius to top up the seals of the prison, that had degraded over the millennia, since the Warden Sashamiri captured Corypheus, who had become Darkspawn after entering the Golden City.

 

So I guess it's Corypheus' fault... in a long and extremely roundabout way?

 

(Even if Hawke had never gone to the prison, the seals would have broken down and Corypheus gotten out. Moral of the story, if you're going to the trouble of building a magical prison to keep your sealed evil in a can, don't leave it unattended for a couple centuries, the wards will break down.)

 

And I suppose we could make the case that the Warden-Commander of Ferelden is the one to blame for the Mage-Templar War, for the bad decision to hire Anders and Justice, so both could team up, decide to ditch the Wardens and eventually start a war by blowing up the Kirkwall Chantry.

 

And if Anders had never been hired, then Hawke and Varric would never had gotten the maps they needed for the expedition, so that they potentially may never have reached the Primeval Thaig and found the Red Lyrium Idol?

[nightscrawl]

And the Inquisitor caused the explosion by catching a ball.

"A thing is rolling toward me! MUST CATCH!"

[phoray]

"A thing is rolling toward me! MUST CATCH!"

 

 

I have now laughed twice at people's comments about my description. There are a lot of things that suspension of disbelief masks for me. Now that you bring it up, why WOULD anyone grab a glowing ball that looked like it had just been used as some sort of weapon?

[Sifr]

"A thing is rolling toward me! MUST CATCH!"

 

DAI is the elaborate story of a dog who really wants his ball back... and the person who accidentally caught it instead.

[phoray]

DAI is the elaborate story of a dog who really wants his ball back... and the person who accidentally caught it instead.

      This is wonderful.

[Tidus]

Let's not overlook another  that help cause that ball to be caught. The Divine knocked the ball out of Corypheus's hand.

[thats1evildude]

Yes, Bianca's a cow.

[phoray]

We could blame the Blight more directly but I guess. Actually.. that's Corypheus again, since he is one of the Magisters that went to the a golden city... but then, only because the Maker Is a meanie face did the Blight happen as punishment.

So after much consideration of the facts, I blame the Maker.

[Lulupab]

Technically, it's Hawke's "fault" for releasing Corypheus because of not wanting to die in a Warden Prison. 

 

And Anders actions sort of caused the Conclave to be a thing. 

 

So, Hawke caused the person. Anders, Fiona, Wynne, and the Divine caused the place.

 

And the Inquisitor caused the explosion by catching a ball.

 

Forgot Lambert though.

[Fredward]

Lol @ the blame hot potato going on in this thread.

 

I liked Bianca. I feel too many people got their panties in a twist solely over the fact that she was flippant towards their Quisie. And I also like her and Varric relationship exactly because  it's not healthy. It's better than healthy, it's interesting. Doomed and unfulfilling but interesting. I definitely wanna see more of her in the future.

[Gervaise]

She also had the savvy to think that it might be important to know exactly what red lyrium is, rather than simply bury it, stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist, because the stuff is very dangerous.   It is all in the past anyway.   I doubt we will be seeing Varric in future instalments, now he has his duties in Kirkwall.   I suppose it is a possibility that Bianca might turn up but really no point since her main interest did lie in her connection to Varric and his crossbow.

 

Lots of people could be said to be to blame for the state of affairs in Inquisition but Bianca's share of it was small compared with some others.   Corypheus might well have found some other way of corrupting the Templars or powering up his dragon and it is highly likely that the Carta or some other group of dwarves would have looked into the events surrounding its discovery sooner or later.  Various demons also seemed to be in the know.   I wonder now if the red gem that Imshael gave Celene/Briala to activate the eluvians was in fact a shard of red lyrium.   Corypheus was certainly already immortal back in Legacy so the red lyrium didn't have any bearing on that. Really Bianca's involvement was quite minor in the overall scheme of things.    It might have had more significance if people had been more worried about red lyrium sprouting up all over the place but outside of Varric they really didn't seem that bothered.    

[Sifr]

 

I liked Bianca. I feel too many people got their panties in a twist solely over the fact that she was flippant towards their Quisie. And I also like her and Varric relationship exactly because  it's not healthy. It's better than healthy, it's interesting. Doomed and unfulfilling but interesting. I definitely wanna see more of her in the future.

 

Same, I enjoy Bianca as a character and feel that she's often treated unfairly by the fanbase.

 

I think that the audience dislike has lead people to read way too much into her parting comment to the Inquisitor, taking it as a legitimate threat rather than the concern over Varric's well-being that it was intended to be.

 

We should keep in mind that scene comes right after her lover's tiff with Varric, so she was not in the best of moods and might not have picked her words as well as she might otherwise. How many of us have been accidentally abrasive to the next person who comes along after an argument, so it's unfair to rag on her character for doing something in a moment of irritation that so many of us are likewise guilty of.

 

Saying that Bianca is toying Varric around is another claim I've seen. It's a pretty bold assertion to make when we've never seen Bianca's home life and cannot gauge whether she's happy being married to a man she doesn't seem to love, because she could be completely friggin' miserable?

 

I doubt we'd say that Varric is the bad guy and "toying with her", because he actively prevents her from perhaps finding some level of happiness in an otherwise loveless, arranged marriage?

[vbibbi]

"A thing is rolling toward me! MUST CATCH!"

I refuse to blame my Inquisitor. It was only her bad luck that her game of hide and seek meets hot potato led her to the Divine and Cory. She took a wrong turn at Albuquerque

[Shechinah]

I liked Bianca. I feel too many people got their panties in a twist solely over the fact that she was flippant towards their Quisie.

 

You and I have a different definition of flippancy. "Get him killed and I'll feed you your own eyeballs, Inquisitor." is not something I consider flippant: it is something I consider a threat especially given that she says it in a tone that indicates she's serious. A part of the reason I don't like it is because I don't recall my character having done anything that warranted that threat or her suspecion that my character might.

 

I've seen it asked before so I'll provide a preemptive answer in case anyone had intended to ask; No, I wouldn't have liked it or thought it was romantic if it was my love interest that made that remark to another character.

 

Beside that remark, though, I'm indifferent towards this Bianca as I didn't find her interesting. 

 

Note: As far as I know, Varric is a member of the Inquisition by his own volition and knows the risks that he might face. The Inquisitor did not volunteer him against his will.

[Shechinah]

Same, I enjoy Bianca as a character and feel that she's often treated unfairly by the fanbase.

 

I think that the audience dislike has lead people to read way too much into her parting comment to the Inquisitor, taking it as a legitimate threat rather than the concern over Varric's well-being that it was intended to be.

 

We should keep in mind that scene comes right after her lover's tiff with Varric, so she was not in the best of moods and might not have picked her words as well as she might otherwise. How many of us have been accidentally abrasive to the next person who comes along after an argument, so it's unfair to rag on her character for doing something in a moment of irritation that so many of us are likewise guilty of.

 

Even when I've been at my absolute worst be mood or otherwise, I have never made a threat of bodily-harm towards another person.

[Fredward]

You and I have a different definition of flippancy.

 

Yeah, we do.