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According to the leaks, the "Remnant" are a mysterious, ancient alien race whose technology we will be fighting over in Andromeda. Sound familiar to anyone?

 

Could the Remnant actually be... the remnant of the Prothean Empire? We've seen in two different trailers now figures that look prothean; one in the first BTS video from 2014 and something that vaguely resembles a prothean in this year's video: link

 

Many people have suggested that some protheans may have fled to Andromeda to escape the Reapers, so it is possible that there would be some prothean presence in Andromeda.

 

Don't know if this has been brought up before, but, thoughts? Do you want any prothean appearance in ME:A?


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According to the leaks, the "Remnant" are a mysterious, ancient alien race whose technology we will be fighting over in Andromeda. Sound familiar to anyone?

 

Could the Remnant actually be... the remnant of the Prothean Empire? We've seen in two different trailers now figures that look prothean; one in the first BTS video from 2014 and something that vaguely resembles a prothean in this year's video: link

 

Many people have suggested that some protheans may have fled to Andromeda to escape the Reapers, so it is possible that there would be some prothean presence in Andromeda.

 

Don't know if this has been brought up before, but, thoughts? Do you want any prothean appearance in ME:A?

 

In concept? Yes.

In fact? No.

 

It's pretty obvious that the Protheans were an inspiration for the Remnant, but I think MEA will basically be like if you weren't obviously taking a side like "Oh man cool lets fight the Reapers!" Instead it will just be that they were there, sort of like DA2 was to the DA series... a kind of weird meditation on the themes present in the universe but not directly interfacing with them.

 

Hopefully the fan-base doesn't react the same way for that game as for this one ahaha...ahehe...heh......hmmm..........


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The Milky Way had a culling every 50k years or so. Imagine a galaxy without that happening. The Reapers essentially "culled" any technological advancement more advanced than they were simply by killing everything that came close.

 

Now if that didn't happen, on a cosmological time scale, I'd expect something in Andromeda to be significantly more advanced than anything in the Milky Way.

 

I doubt they are Prothean, but they might be even more advanced than them, or the Reapers. Imagine if the Leviathans had flourished instead of stagnating in hiding, then imagine them flourishing for few million years.

 

Something could easily have done so in Andromeda... just need to find what.

 

(Btw it's Reaper-Cylons. All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again.)



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I really hope not.
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I definetly want to learn more Prothean lore, so I hope so.

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Hahhahahaha is funny how the Proteans probably are inspire by the Ancients from SG.

 

So yeah is common use of Sci-fi to put a all powerfull ancient Alien race behind most of the advance technology.

 

It happen on most games.



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If we can make to Andromeda, I don't see a reason why there won't be a huge numbers of Milk Way races there that had the same idea to escape the Reapers. 


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According to the leaks, the "Remnant" are a mysterious, ancient alien race whose technology we will be fighting over in Andromeda. Sound familiar to anyone?

Could the Remnant actually be... the remnant of the Prothean Empire? We've seen in two different trailers now figures that look prothean; one in the first BTS video from 2014 and something that vaguely resembles a prothean in this year's video: link

Many people have suggested that some protheans may have fled to Andromeda to escape the Reapers, so it is possible that there would be some prothean presence in Andromeda.

Don't know if this has been brought up before, but, thoughts? Do you want any prothean appearance in ME:A?


There's already a pic of those prothean looking aliens.

They are the Vorcha collector hybrids talked about in the leak. They look vicious.

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There's already a pic of those prothean looking aliens.
They are the Vorcha collector hybrids talked about in the leak. They look vicious.

What pic are you talking about? I have yet to see this...

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What pic are you talking about? I have yet to see this...

:huh:

On the same page as the last "leaked" armour, the one with the mouth flap that covers the bottom half of your helmet for no logical reason and started a debate as to wether it was a Velcro or zip up flap.

Edit: It was artists page he had all kinds of cool stuff on it.

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:huh:
On the same page as the last "leaked" armour, the one with the mouth flap that covers the bottom half of your helmet for no logical reason and started a debate as to wether it was a Velcro or zip up flap.
Edit: It was artists page he had all kinds of cool stuff on it.

Ahh, thank you. I guess I didn't notice it before...

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No, the similarities are obvious but that's because this is a semi-reboot.

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Bye bye thread I wish I never saw.

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I could definitely see a prothean ark scenario where a contingent fled during that cycle's reaper invasion, taking several of the primitive races at the time (salarians, asari etc.) with to serve as labor/etc. Might explain some of the slight variations in appearance that we (think) we've seen so far, a la slightly different evolutionary path being separated from the milky way and all. Not saying that is what I WANT to see but I'm picking up what you're throwing down.

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Well if our cycle can escape to Andromeda with our puny, primitive technology, a master race like the protheans sure as f**k could. And honestly, protheans in Andromeda would make the game worth buying. Just saying, BioWare, just saying...

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I thought about this too, I hope they won't be, it would be very too easy ~ I want a new specie. But I hope they won't copy/past the Prothean tehcnology on the Remnants.



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I thought about this too, I hope they won't be, it would be very too easy ~ I want a new specie. But I hope they won't copy/past the Prothean tehcnology on the Remnants.


Yeah, the remnants turning out to be Protheans would be a major let down. Talk about a small universe. I want to learn about a new mysterious culture not have a rehash of a species that we've actually met.
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Javik claims they spanned a galaxy. Not multiple galaxies. Inspired by, but not Protheans.



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Well if our cycle can escape to Andromeda with our puny, primitive technology, a master race like the protheans sure as f**k could. And honestly, protheans in Andromeda would make the game worth buying. Just saying, BioWare, just saying...

 

I think the idea is that we had forewarning thanks to the Protheans.  We prevented the Reapers from taking the Citadel directly and getting the map to our civilizations - the Protheans did not. 



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There is no Prothean connection. All of this is coming from some guy's description of a race that looked "something like the Protheans". I could "leak the news" that there will be multiple humanoid species in Andromeda, but we wouldn't be swimming in threads concerning "pre-existing human civilization in Andromeda"!

The Protheans are dead. The Reapers defeated them. They were slightly more advanced than we, but not advanced enough to survive the Reapers. They gave us a chance, and gave us Javik. For those two things we are grateful. Andromeda will have its own species, it's own hierarchy of allies and villains with which to deal. The devs won't drag nonsense from the original trilogy into this new story.

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The Milky Way had a culling every 50k years or so. Imagine a galaxy without that happening. 

 

 

According to the Catalyst, without the culling, all organics would be wiped by synthetics.

If in Andromeda we find this never happened, it means the catalyst was wrong.

Which means synthesis ending is BS.

 

As we all knew since we first knew of it.


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IMHO, the remnant are going to introduce some concept largely different from themes from previous ME games, in order to distance the game from the ME trilogy.

 

I think this is for a number of reasons; 1) Bioware have categorically stated they are moving away from the reapers, so just having another master-race similar to the reapers would be construed as much of the same 2) They've touted a game about exploration, and exploration in its very concept is about something 'new' and 'novel'.

 

Actually, based on how cool the themes in ME are, and how talented the writers have been, (IE, having the reaper threat from stuff like the fermi-paradox/great filter and stuff like Geth/Quarian Wars subplot, and Genophage subplot - "for the greater good", etc).... I conclude that the remnant have to be a new, novel and interesting rich sci-fi theme.

 

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This is where it actually gets interesting, because if they REALLY wanted to make the game novel, why not just have some war in the helios cluster that threatens to wipe out planets or something.. instead of this epic pre-cursor race again? Why have yet ANOTHER ancient supreme race left behind.  Its a huge question, and I think the only plausible answer is that it has some significant link to the themes/plot of the next game.

 

Notably, the 'remanent' (which is an apt name for what I'm about to talk about), is a description for a 'clue', 'message', a 'theme' left behind form the past which can be used as a plot device to explore a key theme from the game. A 'remnant' theme from the past of some sort. So this codename for them is both a literal description of what people call them, but also a metaphor that describes the ending of the game somehow.

 

Sidenote - If you follow futurism, people like Elon Musk talking about AI describe it as the most massive threat of our time. A machine will be able to perform 1,000,000 man years worth of thinking and problem solving time every second, solving all our petty human problems about medicine and physics in no time then setting their sites to something entirely alien to us. This is why we call it a 'singularity', like the big bang, because our petty human minds cant even begin to comprehend what will happen, just like trying to comprehend the universe before big bang. People will probably transcend biology entirely, the world/universe will completely be mastered within the rules of physics.. AI is definitely the BEST sci fi theme for a game, but the've already done that.

 

I think it was a mistake to close this concept so soundly in ME3 because its the best possible theme for a game. However, they did, and its where we are. So the remanent have to be a 'remnant' of something else, not what i think is the ultimate fate of all intelligent life which is a transition away from biology to 'perfect intelligence'.

 

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So, what is even left that is nearly as cool as that theme? So i think we are talking about being inspired by all the great narratives of our time, and a human story.

 

This will leave a canvas to be painted with biology, philosophy, religion, good, evil, human will, sacrifice, etc. A theme of humanity, (or "life" in a sci-fi game), and exploration. This is less sci-fi and more human narrative/story driven.... but essentially just performing this narrative on a sci-fi background/exploration point.

 

Regarding how the remanent tell this human story; we've seen that the ruins pretrude out of the ground in the trailers. I'm taking a bit of a stab in the dark and I'm concluding for several reasons I wont get into that this is remnant tech. Lets consider the main clues we have for the next game from what we've literally seen.

  • In the original N7 day trailer from last year, we see a person in N7 armor fighting with people near a ruin pretruding from the ground, it is confirmed this was NOT the protagonist.
  • In the E3 2016 trailer, we see what is confirmed Ryder the protagonist who does not wear N7 armor. 
  • In the E3 2016 trailer we also see some clips of N7 armor wearing people interacting in a hostile way with non N7 armor wearing people. This is the major clue IMHO, there are two teams of people.
  • In the E3 2016 there is another clip of the ruins coming out of the ground - again, i speculate the remnant.

Most of the speculation videos that I think are on the money are riding the idea I was originally talking about in March this year, which is that the main plot of ME:A will be a civil war between the original N7 team that went to Andromeda and the new group, somewhere centered around remnant tech. Obviously this is just a power struggle for technology, but I think in true ME form, (also perhaps similar to assassins creed and other games), at the very end of the game, we will finally have a reveal about a hint of what happened to the remnant.

 

Tonnes of games use this thriller/mystery sub-plot to add interest and intrigue to their games. Another recent one that comes to mind if Horizon Zero Dawn for PS4. If you watch the trailer, at the end of the game you will have revealed why the hell there are dinosaur robots going around and what happened to the world. (Its just a damn good format, that trailer got me hook line and sinker).

 

This will create a thrilling conclusion that will leave the users wanting more. After defeating what ever civil war issues we have regarding N7 and human factions warring, and fixing any damage that has been done to alien situations or whatever the resolution of the game is.... we will then set our sights to the remnant theme and [insert greater threat here] for the rest of the trilogy.

 

I think we will see Andromeda races worshiping religions similar to how we have them on Earth, all centered around the the remnant tech that will be a plot device. This analogous symbolism will be a way for Bioware to do social commentary on how stupid our wars are here on earth without naming specific racial issues or coming off as racist (IE, jewish/palestine war).

 

And when it comes finally down to revealing how the remnant died I think it will be some human/biology theme. An extension of the issues we face here on earth, war, greed, tribalism, etc... all distilled into something far greater like a threat to an entire galaxy rather than just a single planet. On earth we face mutually assured destruction, and the possibility that our own nature might wipe out our entire planet and end life. Perhaps the game could consider this possibility but on a galactic scale, without having some AI pulling the puppet strings?

 

I havnt quite worked out what that is yet, or why all the remnant tech just happens buried underground and can tunnel above. Need to think about it more.


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The remnant are ancient byzantinians who fled with their prophet to siberia.

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Seems unlikely.



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Well if our cycle can escape to Andromeda with our puny, primitive technology, a master race like the protheans sure as f**k could. And honestly, protheans in Andromeda would make the game worth buying. Just saying, BioWare, just saying...


Following this logic... So would the Reapers!