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[10K]

During the entire ME trilogy there are a few things that made me facepalm a thousand times, plot armor aside. Most recently two examples that come to mind. First the lack of urgency Shepard displays when Kai Lame was fighting thane. It was four on one, but Shepard and friends decided at that moment to let a sick drell do all the heavy lifting, while they watch and eat popcorn. Thane's death was a fluke, and was no doubt preventable. I was always wondering why my Vanguard didnt just charge and tackle mr. Lame.

Another scene that I recently found stupid, was when Udina shoved Tevos to the ground and held her at gun point, while she lay cowering. I'm thinking to myself: isn't Tevos an asari, doesn't she have biotics? Couldn't she have easy put him in stasis or threw him off the balcony? When making scenes like these and others please EAware ask questions like:

Can surrounding characters present, help or interfere with the situation in any way?

Do characters, ones that are being assulted, have means to defend themselves i.e biotic abilities?

Please create cutscenes where characters are aware of each other and the abilities they posses.

[Spooch]

I've always thought Thane's death was really dumb. Then again, any scene with Kai Leng in it was really dumb.

[10K]

I've always thought Thane's death was really dumb. Then again, any scene with Kai Leng in it was really dumb.

Another reason plot armor should die.

[AlanC9]

How about Shepard and Vigil's leisurely chat while Shepard's supposed to be chasing Saren to the Conduit?

[10K]

How about Shepard and Vigil's leisurely chat while Shepard's supposed to be chasing Saren to the Conduit?

I always wondered what took Saren so long to do what he had to do while Shepard took his precious time. Maybe he was stuck in traffic?

[iM3GTR]

I always wondered what took Saren so long to do what he had to do while Shepard took his precious time. Maybe he was stuck in traffic?

He probably stopped for a coffee break.

[Xerxes52]

Oh I'd love to interrupt those scenes with a well-placed head shot, or have a character suddenly remember they have biotic powers and could turn their captor inside out in an instant.

 

A good example here (Hateful Eight spoilers btw).

 

Spoiler

[ZipZap2000]

In the scene with Wrex, the Rachni show up and he dashes off to kill them all.

If Wrex tries to kill you, you're literally ducking your head out the way of his shotgun.

When Grunt slams you up against a wall and threatens to kill you, you stick a gun in his guts.

Mordin doesn't hesitate to actually breathe during cutscenes, ensuring he doesn't collapse due to a lack of oxygen.

All of these things make sense.

Jack deciding she wants to kill someone and then changing her mind if you agree with her, doesn't.

Neither does her suddenly realising killing people feels good. Despite her telling you how much she already enjoys killing people.


And there's my two credits

*Snips Ryncol*

[Gileadan]

The only moment I can recall at this time where BioWare did urgency well was when you needed to save your trapped followers in the burning ruins of Haven, but that was gameplay induced urgency. When they try to go for cutscene induced urgency, they pretty much universally fail, so maybe it's best they stopped attempting that until they get the hang of it.

 

I found it especially awful when they start a game in that style - look at DA2 for example. The prologue starts with your family fleeing from the darkspawn. OMG, they're right around the corner!  Wait, now we stand around a bit and talk about fleeing from the darkspawn, snarky comments and all.  Afterwards we are fleeing from the darkspawn some more.

 

Scenes like Thane's death or that "dramatic choice" moment in Demands of the Qun are the equivalent of the gamesmaster in a pen and paper RPG starting the description of a scene with the words "Before any of you can react..."   Pretty much no player likes that.

 

The thing is, however, that dramatic scenes like Thane's death require way more effort in "choreography" and animation if they are to avoid making the protagonist look like a dumb piece of wood. It only works well if that effort is put into it, otherwise it tends to backfire.

[BloodyMares]

When Grunt slams you up against a wall and threatens to kill you, you stick a gun in his guts.

All of these things make sense.

 

Where was Shepard keeping his gun though? It made sense to have a gun but the execution was stupid.

[Ahriman]

I'd rather see them finally remember about thing called "kinetic shield", because apparently everyone can be killed with one pistol bullet if scene gets dramatic enough.

Can surrounding characters present, help or interfere with the situation in any way?

I suppose you haven't heard about Naruto, this thing would make your soul bleed after a dozen of episodes.

[Shechinah]

Where was Shepard keeping his gun though? It made sense to have a gun but the execution was stupid.

 

Shepard has a pocket dimension where they keep their pistol: that's how they always have it on them even if they weren't equipped with it.
 

[10K]

I suppose you haven't heard about Naruto, this thing would make your soul bleed after a dozen of episodes.

I know it's a popular cartoon, that's about it.

[ZipZap2000]

Where was Shepard keeping his gun though? It made sense to have a gun but the execution was stupid.

His pocket. The side of his leg. His hip. The shelf next to him.

Or are you telling me you'd open up a fully grown tank bred "Perfect" Krogan soldier WITHOUT bringing a gun?

[BloodyMares]

His pocket. The side of his leg. His hip. The shelf next to him.

Or are you telling me you'd open up a fully grown tank bred "Perfect" Krogan soldier WITHOUT bringing a gun?

I wouldn't open this tank on the spaceship in the first place but if I did, I would do that in my armor with all the weapons equiped.

[LightningPoodle]

*Snips Ryncol*

 

How many forms does Ryncol take? Today you're snipping it. Tomorrow, you're sniffing it. The day after that, you're using it in an enema. Where does it's limits end?!

 

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Anyway, I agree. Cutscenes are there to bring details to attention. A fight. A love scene. A conversation. An unfortunate side effect is that, it's almost like everything else just doesn't exist until that cutscene ends.

 

With the new engine and better hardware to work with, I think things like that will be sorted out. It's never going to be perfect, and it's foolish to believe it will, but it can only get better (unless they take away the cutscenes altogether which is a bad, bad move).

[ZipZap2000]

I wouldn't open this tank on the spaceship in the first place but if I did, I would do that in my armor with all the weapons equiped.

Pffft.

He's only a baby Krogan, Pyjak.

Grow a quad!

*Sips Jet-fuel*

[ZipZap2000]

How many forms does Ryncol take? Today you're snipping it. Tomorrow, you're sniffing it. The day after that, you're using it in an enema. Where does it's limits.

The power of Ryncol is limitless, young one.

Embrace it.

*Smokes Ryncol*

[BloodyMares]

Grow a quad!

I'm comfortable with having a pair, thanks.

[Wulfram]

Tevos is a civilian politician, there's no reason she shouldn't be rubbish at biotics, particularly at a moment of extreme stress.

[BloodyMares]

Tevos is a civilian politician, there's no reason she shouldn't be rubbish at biotics, particularly at a moment of extreme stress.

All asari have a basic biotic training in school (which lasts decades) so she should be able to stop Udina quite easily even if she was lazy to master it.

[Serza]

His pocket. The side of his leg. His hip. The shelf next to him.

Or are you telling me you'd open up a fully grown tank bred "Perfect" Krogan soldier WITHOUT bringing a gun?

 

Hell, I would bring half a battalion with MBTs and heavy weapons. Shepard is just that fearless.

 

Another scene that I recently found stupid, was when Udina shoved Tevos to the ground and held her at gun point, while she lay cowering. I'm thinking to myself: isn't Tevos an asari, doesn't she have biotics? Couldn't she have easy put him in stasis or threw him off the balcony? When making scenes like these and others please EAware ask questions like:
 

 

I could easily explain that - Tevos is a civilian, who is not trained to deal with such situations, and is not used to them. Indeed, being a Matriarch, her last combat experience may be a couple centuries ago. She is simply so shocked the thought of defending herself does not come to her mind. Plus this is Udina, a person she thought trustworthy, pulling the gun, which likely intesifies the shock.

 

Most people don't think about cover and concealment when walking around, but as someone who does milsim as a hobby (no, I do not claim I'm a soldier - that would be stolen valor, and I don't do that stuff) I can tell you that a person who knows what to do, has trained, is equipped (concealed carry, teargas, etc.) is more likely to react properly when the switch is flipped.

 

Would I be fine if I were to witness a terrorist attack? No. I would be strongly out of my element, I do milsim, and I'm not an actual trained Infantryman. My knowledge and being relatively used to situations where I have to think and act quickly definitely improve my chances to react correctly. A surprise attack is the hardest to react to, and I would not be expecting an ambush and actively scanning for cover, concealment, escape routes and hostiles. (My paranoia ironically helps here)

 

 

...which brings me back to Tevos, a civilian that was not expecting the attack by Cerberus, and now she is probably on the verge of panic when a person she thought trustworthy pulls a gun on her. Most would be shocked. I know I would.

Plus, we could argue about time slowing down, but I don't remember the fine details of the cutscene well enough to know for sure.

In the end, I can say that the "shoot Udina" interrupt is one of those EVERY Shepard should take, no matter how aligned they are. My memory does not serve that well right now, but it might be the only Renegade interrupt that should be taken no matter what, just for common sense's sake.

[Serza]

All asari have a basic biotic training in school (which lasts decades) so she should be able to stop Udina quite easily even if she was lazy to master it.

 

Yes, but you consider a Tevos that was expecting this, and on top of her training in managing crisis situations has recent combat experience, all of which is unlikely.

[LiaraShepard]

How about Shepard and Vigil's leisurely chat while Shepard's supposed to be chasing Saren to the Conduit?

 

well, I thought it was one of the most emotional moments of the entire game...so, I'm actually glad I had the possibility to meet Vigil. Still, you're right. It doesn't make sense to chat with a machine, while time is moving on and you have to defeat your enemy before it's too late.

[BloodyMares]

Yes, but you consider a Tevos that was expecting this, and on top of her training in managing crisis situations has recent combat experience, all of which is unlikely.

So? Biotics are part of her, they could work automatically as a defence mechanism even if she was afraid.