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Lets talk about urgency and the use of common sense in cutscenes.


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BloodyMares

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Still, you're right. It doesn't make sense to chat with a machine, while time is moving on and you have to defeat your enemy before it's too late.

There was a barrier on the road that prevented Shepard from pursuing Saren if you forgot. It was the entire reason why Shepard stopped and chatted with Vigil.


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ahh, okay. I don't remember anymore, sorry. Seems, I have to play Mass Effect again.  



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Cutscene design issues aside, I hope I never have the experience again hearing my character and companions being slaughtered by a pack of wolves during a cutscene while I can do nothing. There's nothing like exiting a cutscene ready to free Solas' spirit friend and dropping dead. :P



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So? Biotics are part of her, they could work automatically as a defence mechanism even if she was afraid.


Not every Asari is adept at biotics, I believe. They may all have them, but some haven't been trained to use them effectively or simply can't use them at all.
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Not every Asari is adept at biotics, I believe. They may all have them, but some haven't been trained to use them effectively or simply can't use them at all.

Unless Tevos doesn't have a basic education, which I find far-fetched, she's adept in biotics. Biotic training is mandatory in every asari school.


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So? Biotics are part of her, they could work automatically as a defence mechanism even if she was afraid. 

 

Alright, let us take a different approach.

 

Let me set the stage: A long-time friend of yours suddenly pulls out a weapon, with the intent to kill you, shoving you to the ground in the process.

Let's assume you are armed, and discard any delays it would take for you to pull out your own weapon.

Would you be able to react in an instant, or would you take precious seconds to realize what is going on and overcome the shock?

 

Biotics require conscious usage of "muscles" that are the Eezo nodules in your body. Take that in account.



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How about Shepard and Vigil's leisurely chat while Shepard's supposed to be chasing Saren to the Conduit?

That conversation was great tho.


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There was a barrier on the road that prevented Shepard from pursuing Saren if you forgot. It was the entire reason why Shepard stopped and chatted with Vigil.


Vigil actually put up the barrier to give Shep no other choice but to talk to him.
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Alright, let us take a different approach.

 

Let me set the stage: A long-time friend of yours suddenly pulls out a weapon, with the intent to kill you, shoving you to the ground in the process.

Let's assume you are armed, and discard any delays it would take for you to pull out your own weapon.

Would you be able to react in an instant, or would you take precious seconds to realize what is going on and overcome the shock?

 

Biotics require conscious usage of "muscles" that are the Eezo nodules in your body. Take that in account.

If this weapon could turn into a shield that covers my entire body momentarily then yes, I would be able to react to protect myself.

From wikia:
"They (biotics) must then develop conscious control over their nervous system, which is a long, slow, difficult ordeal (except for the asari, who possess a degree of control naturally)"
 


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Unless Tevos doesn't have a basic education, which I find far-fetched, she's adept in biotics. Biotic training is mandatory in every asari school.


Sh was adept in Biotics centuries ago, when she was in school. Doesn't mean she's kept up with it, or that the training would still work in a situation like that.

I mean, I did maths in school not all that long ago. I was pretty good at it too. But if you pointed a gun at my head and demanded I immediately do trigonometry I'd be in trouble.

edit: and considering how useless Biotics must seem in the peaceful Asari Republics, I doubt she put all that much effort in the classes.
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Vigil actually put up the barrier to give Shep no other choice but to talk to him.

Exactly. So it's stupid to complain about why Shepard chose to speak with Vigil instead of going after Saren.


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I mean, I did maths in school not all that long ago. I was pretty good at it too. But if you pointed a gun at my head and demanded I immediately do trigonometry I'd be in trouble

But you could answer what is 2x9, right? That is how much effort is required for the asari to use biotics.

Anyway, it's not that important. You can think of many excuses why the Asari Councilor couldn't use biotics at that moment and I'm not interested in speculation. Mass Effect universe establishes that every asari is a natural biotic so it's kind of expected of them.

However, if you think Asari Councilor can't use biotics effectively because she's a civillian then by that logic Liara, an archaeologist, shouldn't be able to use biotics effectively as well.


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I like it when urgency is necessary.

 

Good examples:

  • Tali will get killed if you don't reach her in time [ME].
  • The students at Grisson Academy will get slaughtered if you don't deal with it promptly [ME3].
  • You crew will get turned into goop if you don't promptly rescue them from the collectors {ME2].

Bad examples:

  • Anything where you can dawdle, loot and do anything else when there is patent danger.
    For example, when your sibling is captured in DA2 and there is no actual urgency to get there.

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But you could answer what is 2x9, right? That is how much effort is required for the asari to use biotics.


In a sufficiently stressful situation, even 2*9 can be difficult.

Also, effective biotic use isn't so easy I think. I mean, look at how ineffectual Falere (an Ardat-Yakshi, so in theory powerful) is against the Cannibal

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I mean, look at how ineffectual Falere (an Ardat-Yakshi, so in theory powerful) is against the Cannibal

It looked ridiculous. But it was something. Copy/paste the same thing for the Asari Councilor and I wouldn't have an issue with that. Instead she grabbed him and stared at him for some reason. And why couldn't Turian Councilor just punch Udina when he didn't have his gun out? I'm sure everyone can punch.


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The real question concerning the Udina-Tevos scene is "What the hell was Udina thinking?". Had he really run out of ideas? This guy is one of the most accomplished politicians in the galaxy. He should've tried to BS a bit longer, or something. He's the one who panicked. Pulling a gun in the situation? Fail.

Edit: There are plenty of stupid cutscenes throughout the series. There are probably too many to list. I do hope that the new engine and more powerful hardware will encourage them to put more effort into these scenes. I think limited animations at times encouraged their laziness.
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Fine, I'm not exactly convinced, but I have no counter arguments. I believe that means you win.



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It looked ridiculous. But it was something. Copy/paste the same thing for the Asari Councilor and I wouldn't have an issue with that. Instead she grabbed him and stared at him for some reason. And why couldn't Turian Councilor just punch Udina when he didn't have his gun out? I'm sure everyone can punch.

This. Given the background of turians, they don't seem like the type that would sit there and do nothing.



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This. Given the background of turians, they don't seem like the type that would sit there and do nothing.


Well, I don't know. Sparatus does seem to be an expert at "doing nothing". ;)
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Vigil actually put up the barrier to give Shep no other choice but to talk to him.

^^

Yes and the fact that some squad members depending on who you bring along on that particular mission urge you to hurry,that adds a realistic touch to that scene. 


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Well, I don't know. Sparatus does seem to be an expert at "doing nothing". ;)

HA HA HA, I get it. So true. He probably dismissed the claim of the Cerberus coup.


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That makes him a bad Turian. I'm still under the impression that all Turian men are trained and experienced infantry.


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Exactly. So it's stupid to complain about why Shepard chose to speak with Vigil instead of going after Saren.

 

Shepard speaking to Vigil initially isn't the stupid part, since he needs the codes which Vigil has. Shepard having an extended 15 minute conversation when Saren is about to hand deliver the galaxy to the Reapers is the stupid part. We could however debate how much of that is on Shepard for asking so many questions or how much of it is on Vigil for not telling him to get a move on it. 


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HA HA HA, I get it. So true. He probably dismissed the claim of the Cerberus coup.


He would have but he was busy dismissing rumours that Palaven had fallen.

*Saves Turians*


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It would help if we could have more conversations on the move, though I guess its difficult to fit the dialogue choices in then.