Nazara's (aka Sovereign if u have spoken at length with Legion) design has me wondering now that I have learned that Reapers are created in the image of the species that they are harvested from. The Collector's were building a human Reaper, so I wonder who Nazara is based off of. Rachni perhaps? Keepers? Protheans? (Doubt both of those two though) or perhaps some unknown species that were way before? Many codex entries refer to events and species that pre-date and exist within the Reaper cycles, so maybe one of them? Just some questions to think about and speculate on.
(ENDGAME SPOILERS) Nazara's Design based off who?
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Posté 28 janvier 2010 - 11:44
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Prothean-inspired Reaper perhaps. It has those tentacle-like things the original Protheans had in the visions seen during ME1.
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Posté 28 janvier 2010 - 11:45
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But then again Nazara mentions having existed for millenia... couldn't be Prothean based. Possibly Keeper inspired.
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Posté 28 janvier 2010 - 12:02
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I could see Sovereign being a prothean reaper. In the beacon visions, you see the prothean's being killed, some goo pouring over circuitry, and then at the very end, Sovereign, kind of like a finished project.
Sovereign was full of of itself, and was mostly just trying to intimidate shepard "Are intentions are beyond your comprehension" and so forth. Reaper's as a whole, I could see being millenia old, but Sovereign I'd bet is made up of Protheans, perhaps the youngest reaper stays behind as a the one that needs to activate the keepers.
Sovereign was full of of itself, and was mostly just trying to intimidate shepard "Are intentions are beyond your comprehension" and so forth. Reaper's as a whole, I could see being millenia old, but Sovereign I'd bet is made up of Protheans, perhaps the youngest reaper stays behind as a the one that needs to activate the keepers.
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Posté 28 janvier 2010 - 01:00
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I like that theory. I may have to steal it.
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Posté 28 janvier 2010 - 01:04
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Reapers are millions of years old IIRC and most of them seem to have the image of the same species who seems to have lived underwater...like Kraken...
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Posté 28 janvier 2010 - 01:28
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EDI informs you that the reapers probably did try to make a Prothean Reaper but fail for some reason, So the Protheans was relegated to being indoctrinated slaves.
This of cause explains all about the Reapers and their motives, They wish to procreate and have spend all this time looking for a race that can be made into reapers, and when they found none they wiped out all sentient life and let the galaxy have a new start.
Of cause now that they have found a race that can be made into Reapers (humans - for some unexplained reason) they are going to head strait for earth in ME3 .. quite exiting.
This of cause explains all about the Reapers and their motives, They wish to procreate and have spend all this time looking for a race that can be made into reapers, and when they found none they wiped out all sentient life and let the galaxy have a new start.
Of cause now that they have found a race that can be made into Reapers (humans - for some unexplained reason) they are going to head strait for earth in ME3 .. quite exiting.
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Posté 28 janvier 2010 - 01:32
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Anacronian Stryx wrote...
EDI informs you that the reapers probably did try to make a Prothean Reaper but fail for some reason, So the Protheans was relegated to being indoctrinated slaves.
This of cause explains all about the Reapers and their motives, They wish to procreate and have spend all this time looking for a race that can be made into reapers, and when they found none they wiped out all sentient life and let the galaxy have a new start.
Of cause now that they have found a race that can be made into Reapers (humans - for some unexplained reason) they are going to head strait for earth in ME3 .. quite exiting.
I wonder how many Reapers they could make from all the humans. Probably not too many..
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 11:59
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Just talk to Mordin when you do his loyalty mission and he says humans are unique in one particular way from any speices that exists, there genetic diversity, from our Double Helix DNA. And the derelict Reaper that you go to is the same structure as Sovereign and they said it was at least 37 million years old... so do the math lol. While the Human Reaper is a little X-men'ish it fits along with every thing they said. How something looks isn't as important when its trying to destroy life as you know it. And besides dispite its not being finished it was no where near the size of Sovereign so who know what its finale shape would truly be. ya know like weather it had legs or a giant vacuum. LOL!
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 12:08
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Already been thought about and we just don't know what Sovereign's core looks like. A lot of people didn't pick it up at first but the human Reaper you fight is just a larva. Incomplete, and according to the concept art, when complete it would have been outfitted with a shell similar in basic design to the other Reapers you see at the end. Though some aesthetics may vary from individual to individual it looks like the commonality comes in the form of the "tentacle" like arms they have and the sleek design.
Also the Reapers when complete are kilometers long. The human one was really just a "baby", such a tiny thing by comparison.
Also the Reapers when complete are kilometers long. The human one was really just a "baby", such a tiny thing by comparison.
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 12:15
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The damaged reaper that you collect IFF off has the same basic shape, we know that specific reaper is about 35 million years old.
If EDI is correct and reapers were built as cybernetic hybrids resembling the original biological species, it can very well mean they resemble their own creators. Not in scale though! Do remeber the original proces also could have produced oversized version of the original species, like with the humans.
Sometime before 35 mil years ago, the biological race most likely got into a situation much like quarians and the geth, only unlike the geth the AIs were much more aggressive.
Perhaps unlike the geth, the original species started over-modifying themselves, until their own implants took over with deadly results?
If EDI is correct and reapers were built as cybernetic hybrids resembling the original biological species, it can very well mean they resemble their own creators. Not in scale though! Do remeber the original proces also could have produced oversized version of the original species, like with the humans.
Sometime before 35 mil years ago, the biological race most likely got into a situation much like quarians and the geth, only unlike the geth the AIs were much more aggressive.
Perhaps unlike the geth, the original species started over-modifying themselves, until their own implants took over with deadly results?
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 12:22
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I think its much more reasonable to assume that all reapers look the same from the outside, and that their interior matches their race...
That or humanity is the first species in history to be of "reaper quality". < I like that idea makes us seem even more amazing.
Because of course humans > all and that. 
That or humanity is the first species in history to be of "reaper quality". < I like that idea makes us seem even more amazing.
Because of course humans > all and that.
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 12:30
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Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh. You touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 12:30
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luk3us wrote...
That or humanity is the first species in history to be of "reaper quality". all and that.
Not necesarily.
Since protheans hepled the current civilisations basicaly ruin their plan, reapers are in trouble. The system they used to "procreate" so to speak, the assimilation of tech and biology, failed. For the first time in some 30 million years, the bulletproof plan has gone to hell in ME1.
It is not too big of a stretch they would try something new, even going as far as to repeat their own birth based on another species. In this case, the one that was instrumental in their defeat.
BTW ... final form of human-reaper could have very well resembled a Gundam.
Human for in armor, able to freely navigate in space under own propulsion.
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 12:31
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If you use the 'investigate' option with EDI at the end, she says that the Prothean reaper failed construction and that is why they were re-purposed as collectors. Also, the Sovereign model appears quite plentiful at the end. So maybe they were based on a race even before the Protheans
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 12:59
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Either the fleet of reapers at the end are based on the same race.....GenericPlayer2 wrote...
Also, the Sovereign model appears quite plentiful at the end. So maybe they were based on a race even before the Protheans
or reapers evolve. Ultimately, looking similar to one another. This last option kinda goes with the theory of reapers having an outer shells protecting their cores which they obtain later in their development.
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 01:05
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Arovien wrote...
Either the fleet of reapers at the end are based on the same race.....GenericPlayer2 wrote...
Also, the Sovereign model appears quite plentiful at the end. So maybe they were based on a race even before the Protheans
or reapers evolve. Ultimately, looking similar to one another. This last option kinda goes with the theory of reapers having an outer shells protecting their cores which they obtain later in their development.
Never thought of it that way. Makes more sense, I didn't like the idea of the human reaper being a huge husk floating in space.
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 01:13
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Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh. You touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
wut u say?
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 01:15
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 01:22
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I saw a theory awhile ago that seemed possible, but it is all speculation that can be torn apart with some thinking.
However the simularity between the Thorian and the Reapers is intriguing. Mind control, creepers/husks, ancient, tentacles with a body, superiority complex. Nazara and her pals could be streamlined Thorian developed for space travel. Just throwing it out there.
However the simularity between the Thorian and the Reapers is intriguing. Mind control, creepers/husks, ancient, tentacles with a body, superiority complex. Nazara and her pals could be streamlined Thorian developed for space travel. Just throwing it out there.
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 01:34
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GenericPlayer2 wrote...
Never thought of it that way. Makes more sense, I didn't like the idea of the human reaper being a huge husk floating in space.
Outer shell theory is a bit difficult for me.
Specialy since the one with IFF does not seem to have any distinction on the path you take from the hull to the mass effect core. It looks like a consistent structure.
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Posté 12 février 2010 - 01:40
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Specialy since the one with IFF does not seem to have any distinction on the path you take from the hull to the mass effect core. It looks like a consistent structure.
It seems partially hollow. Its possible that the internal structure was essentially vapourized.
Look at the Reaper fleets in the end - they all look alike, not even one exception. And the Human Reaper Larva was tiny compared to the Sovereign, even if you take into account the missing bits. I'm pretty sure that it would have gotten an outer hull identical to all its brethren, had it been finished.
