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[TK514]

No, I do not believe the rotting corpse of my Warden will find any cure for the Calling aside from the usual 'violent death' method which has already been successfully administered.

[VivainaDX]

For Fiona's case, there are more variables than Maric's sperm and the amulet.

-While the only Warden survivors were Duncan and Fiona (possibly the Avvar guy), Duncan had the special dagger that countered blight magic, so Fiona was the only one to take (only) the amulet and refuse the Architect's final spell.
-She is an elf. Elves are very unique compared to the other races. (I have a separate theory that lyrium tatoos only work on elves, because why aren't more people getting magic hand powers?)
-She is a mage. Mages can manipulate reality, and FE Remille has shown that any mage, Warden or not, can do blight magic as well. Perhaps Fiona dabbled a bit into what she saw Remille do and accidently cured herself due to a combination of variables.

There are ways for Wardens to avoid the Calling. A mage could try to learn the art of soul jumping, or one could try to find a way to become a golem.

I would be disappointed if they remove the Calling from the Wardens. It'll remove the drama. I'm still waiting on more blight magic, let's add more to the Blight Story, not start taking away from it.

Now I'm gonna knit-pick-question: I looked it up in in the DA wiki and the the dagger is described as ebony-black, is that an ebony dagger? or a black metal one the color of ebony? It would seem odd to make a dagger out of ebony wood unless it was just a ceremonial dagger and not really meant as a weapon.

 

The amulets, was it ever stated where Remille got them from? Did he or the Architect make them, or were they artifacts that could've been mistaken as all similar to eachother? Maybe Fiona just got the wrong type of amulet and the one she received was actually meant to push blight out of the system, it only looked bad while the magic was working. What happened to the amulet afterward?

[Daerog]

Now I'm gonna knit-pick-question: I looked it up in in the DA wiki and the the dagger is described as ebony-black, is that an ebony dagger? or a black metal one the color of ebony? It would seem odd to make a dagger out of ebony wood unless it was just a ceremonial dagger and not really meant as a weapon.

The amulets, was it ever stated where Remille got them from? Did he or the Architect make them, or were they artifacts that could've been mistaken as all similar to eachother? Maybe Fiona just got the wrong type of amulet and the one she received was actually meant to push blight out of the system, it only looked bad while the magic was working. What happened to the amulet afterward?

Ebony as in black. Duncan stole it from Remille's room like the dashing thief he was in his youth... after scoring with a mage of course, because rogue.

The wardens think the Circle is able to make masking wards to hide the GWs from darkspawn. Turns out, they were actually enchanted to speed up the taint, supposedly.

Remille was in contact with and learned blight magic from Archie.

Remille is killed at the end of The Calling and Irving then becomes FE in Fereldan's Tower.

Then Uldred happens in Origins.

The Templars there were way too lax in their job.

[VivainaDX]

Is there a history to the dagger and amulets, or would that be flexible? I mean an ancient dagger quenched in white lyrium could be a possibility for it to lead to some protection from the taint. If there was a spell cast on everyone but Fiona, maybe all the amulets were to bring the blight to the surface but the spell actually contained the blight to their bodies causing it to infect the outer body quicker. If they don't know the origin of the amulets, seeing the blight surface could make it appear like it's spreading, when it's actually healing. Kind of like chicken pox. There may be a recommended time period to wear the amulets too. Remove when spots appear, continued use could be harmful.

[Daerog]

Other than silverite runes in Origins, the magic that influences the blight in some way is only found in the novels. I've only read the first two and both WoT volumes.

Maric's sword in The Stolen Throne repelled the blight (possibly due to silverite runes). Remille/Duncan's dagger not only countered the amulet, but also repelled blight magic when Remille attacked him (prevented dark magic from consuming him).

The final spell I refered to was the Architect finishing the taint's corruption of the Wardens, turning them into what they would be if they lived past their Calling. They were like super-ghouls, sorta...

The Wardens that refused Archie died, had the magic dagger, or was Fiona.

Edit: Archie was way more interesting in The Calling. Awakening did not do him justice after reading the novel.

[German Soldier]

German Soldier, It could happen.  The forum is just a  teeny tiny drop in the water with the same-o same-o names replying in the threads, so,BW could make a DLC if there is a market. If BW sold  80,000 at $5.00 each that's $400,000 dollars..No small change. Seeing there are millions of gamers world wide that figure could escalate into the millions.

Not going to happen.

bioware  don't create a Dlc for an old character who new players(majority of Bioware customers) don't know anything about and don't care,and which is also optional.

 

They're not going to charge just $5 for a story DLC.

 

They're also not going to make a DLC only some of the playerbase can play. If they go that route, they'll probably bring back the Orlesian Warden for people whose Wardens died and say "if the Orlesian Warden was the Warden-Commander, then they eventually went looking for a cure, too. Because reasons, that's why."

 

(Not that I think it's likely they'll go that route. More likely, a future protagonist will have the chance to use the Warden's notes/cure, if the Warden was around to make them, a la the cure to the krogan genophage in Mass Effect.)

 

I know that there is always someone which use logic.

[kimgoold]

Uh yeah, its the HoF not Hawke or Inky. The HoF gets sh#t done.

Considering the HoF (or Orleasian Warden) is captured by the Architect they may also be taint free like Fiona as we have no Idea what it did to the HoF when they were captured/unconcious in DAA. I know it says it only took your blood but we know the Architect lies, as it did when it said All the Wardens brought to it were DEAD when you met another live captured Warden with crushed legs when you were escaping the Silverite Mine/Architects Lair in DAA.

[German Soldier]

Uh yeah, its the HoF not Hawke or Inky. The HoF gets sh#t done.

Considering the HoF (or Orleasian Warden) is captured by the Architect they may also be taint free like Fiona as we have no Idea what it did to the HoF when they were captured/unconcious in DAA. I know it says it only took your blood but we know the Architect lies, as it did when it said All the Wardens brought to it were DEAD when you met another live captured Warden with crushed legs when you were escaping the Silverite Mine/Architects Lair in DAA.

Hawke didn't had any job to do other than become rich in which s/he succeeded while the Inquisitor succeeded as well.

 

The HoF and the warden from Orlais are still tainted in DAA the Architect did nothing to them other than stealing some blood he even said it and no he didn't had any reason to lie about it as he did the same to others GW as well.

[Daerog]

Well, Archie does have a habit of keeping info from others and never telling the whole truth of his plans or ideas... which is to taint the world...

He's a deceiving sociopath.

So disappointed that he was not as interesting in Awakening as he was in The Calling.

[VivainaDX]

Well, Archie does have a habit of keeping info from others and never telling the whole truth of his plans or ideas... which is to taint the world...

He's a deceiving sociopath.

So disappointed that he was not as interesting in Awakening as he was in The Calling.

Makes me glad I keep killing him in Awakening then. What little he tells you about his plans is kind of disconcerting anyway, he creeped me out.

[Tidus]

German Soldier, Its all about money and if BW thinks the sales is there they will do it as a continuing story. I know you hate the idea because you killed your warden that's good but,seeing that's one of two options a player may choose there is always the possibility the HOF will return since the HOF was mention in DA:I as being alive and well or quite dead depending on what world you use.Even King Alistair gets to meet his son if you use that world.

 

One person you will never see in my DA:I games is Loghain since he's 10 years dead executed by my warden.

[Ghost Gal]

Short Answer: I think the Hero of Ferelden was sent to find a cure to the Calling by the writers to keep them out of the way this game.

 

Long Answer: I doubt the Warden will specifically be the one succeed since many Wardens died a hero's death, and the devs are determined to validate that worldsave. (They play fast and loose with so many other aspects of canon, but whatever.) However, I think the series is inching toward the discovery of a cure for the taint.

 

The first game did a good job of establishing Grey Wardens' long-held traditions, then tearing them down. Every explanation for why they do things the way they do is, "We've always done it this way, ever since the first Blight," but we're slowly discovering over the series how that's not working anymore.

 

- In DAO they said the only way to kill an Archdemon was to have a Grey Warden land the finishing blow and obliterate both the Archdemon's and the killing Grey Warden's soul, but Morrigan reveals that it's possible to cleanse the Archdemon's soul of the taint and end the Blight without having to destroy the Old God or Grey Warden. (Solas then hinted in DAI that killing all Old God's souls could have an even worse impact on Thedas than any Blight.)

 

- The Wardens always assumed that the taint shortened your life and there was nothing anyone could do about it, but Sophia Dryden's right-hand mage (what's his face) managed to increase his lifespan by centuries. (Albeit with blood magic.)

 

- The Wardens always assumed that the taint is permanent, but The Calling reveals that there is a cure to the taint, and Fiona is permanently cleansed. (Though why every Grey Warden in Thedas doesn't flock to her pestering her with questions on how she did it, and hire every mage in existence to study her amulet and figure out how to duplicate it, is anyone's guess.)

 

- The Hero of Ferelden is now looking for a cure to the Calling.

 

- The Wardens have always been so secretive, even to each other, and that's lately been their downfall. They kept the imprisoned Corypheus tightly secret, which left them susceptible to getting manipulated by him. Since no one knew about Corypheus, when he broke out no one knew to sound the alarm and warn each other of him. When they all heard the False Calling, they didn't know to consider, "Maybe it's that ancient intelligent darkspawn that recently got loose." Rather than sharing their plight with the best minds of the age and coming up with a solution, they kept it to themselves and decided to raise a demon army to kill the remaining Old Gods in the Deep Roads (rather than going to Fiona to cure themselves of the taint), then tried to kill or banish any Warden who didn't agree with their insanely stupid plan (Stroud/Alistair/@sshole). Now they've been disgraced and lost centuries' worth of credibility.

 

 

I think the series is inching toward a discovery of a cure to the Calling, though how long it takes and how they get there is anyone's guess.

[German Soldier]

German Soldier, Its all about money and if BW thinks the sales is there they will do it as a continuing story. I know you hate the idea because you killed your warden that's good but,seeing that's one of two options a player may choose there is always the possibility the HOF will return since the HOF was mention in DA:I as being alive and well or quite dead depending on what world you use.Even King Alistair gets to meet his son if you use that world.

 

One person you will never see in my DA:I games is Loghain since he's 10 years dead executed by my warden.

What are you saying with these assumptions is totally disconnected from my previous post and even incorrect in many points

What does Loghain,Alistair or the US have to do with this?

 

The warden is not coming back because there is no need of them for the plot that's all and this quest was just a blatant excuse to remove them from Ferelden until the end of DAI.

[Domakir]

The warden is not coming back because there is no need of them for the plot that's all and this quest was just a blatant excuse to remove them from Ferelden until the end of DAI.

 

Exactly. The warden has nothing to do in Dragon Age anymore. Same with Hawke if he/she survived. The only thing the warden has left is this quest and that can be easily resolved with a codex or a comment from a random character.

[Secret Rare]

 

 

 Every explanation for why they do things the way they do is, "We've always done it this way, ever since the first Blight," but we're slowly discovering over the series how that's not working anymore.

 

How is that not working anymore?Their method to kill archdemons  is still functional.

 

 

 

- In DAO they said the only way to kill an Archdemon was to have a Grey Warden land the finishing blow and obliterate both the Archdemon's and the killing Grey Warden's soul, but Morrigan reveals that it's possible to cleanse the Archdemon's soul of the taint and end the Blight without having to destroy the Old God or Grey Warden. (Solas then hinted in DAI that killing all Old God's souls could have an even worse impact on Thedas than any Blight.)

 

 

"They said" you mean Riordan? Because he was the only GW senior we had   at disposal for questions and he wasn't even one of those top tier wardens of the Anderfels who know much more...as for Solas we have no reason to believe him since he never made any exposition of his claim.

 

 

- The Wardens have always been so secretive, even to each other, and that's lately been their downfall. They kept the imprisoned Corypheus tightly secret, which left them susceptible to getting manipulated by him. Since no one knew about Corypheus, when he broke out no one knew to sound the alarm and warn each other of him. When they all heard the False Calling, they didn't know to consider, "Maybe it's that ancient intelligent darkspawn that recently got loose." Rather than sharing their plight with the best minds of the age and coming up with a solution, they kept it to themselves and decided to raise a demon army to kill the remaining Old Gods in the Deep Roads (rather than going to Fiona to cure themselves of the taint), then tried to kill or banish any Warden who didn't agree with their insanely stupid plan (Stroud/Alistair/@sshole). Now they've been disgraced and lost centuries' worth of credibility.

 

 

I think the series is inching toward a discovery of a cure to the Calling, though how long it takes and how they get there is anyone's guess.

The GW successfully imprisoned Corypheus for two thousands of years which isn't excatly a short frame of time and their secrecy prevented crazy people of tevinter to locate him and free him...GW will never share their secrets with non top tier GW (Commanders) and i do think is a good policy.

[Lunatica]

 

The first game did a good job of establishing Grey Wardens' long-held traditions, then tearing them down. Every explanation for why they do things the way they do is, "We've always done it this way, ever since the first Blight," but we're slowly discovering over the series how that's not working anymore.

 

I dislike this mechanism to reread according to recent discoveries whole sagas and then evaluate something like the  GW  solely based on that. 

The first game established the Grey wardens toward the biased view of a young soldier named Alistair  and that's hardly an establishment.

[AlanC9]

German Soldier, Its all about money and if BW thinks the sales is there they will do it as a continuing story.

True. Thing is, the sales won't be there, or if they are,it won't be because of the Warden. Most DA4 players will only have a vague familiarity with the Warden, if that.

[Gervaise]

Don't forget that in at least one case the Warden is no longer looking for a cure; they are back in Orlais by the sea with Leliana.   So either they found it and told no one or realised it was a hopeless quest and decided to enjoy themselves while they could.  

[TheBlackAdder13]

Don't forget that in at least one case the Warden is no longer looking for a cure; they are back in Orlais by the sea with Leliana.   So either they found it and told no one or realised it was a hopeless quest and decided to enjoy themselves while they could.  

 

Yeah this was what happened with my Warden. I just assumed he failed or didn't find anything conclusive and with Solas about to destroy the world as we know it, just said, "well **** it, I'm probably gonna die soon anyway." Strange that you only get a resolution to the story if you did a Leliana romance though. 

[Captain Wiseass]

It says the Warden and Leliana meet there when they can find the time, which suggested to me that he was still out there either searching or fulfilling other Grey Warden duties most of the time.

 

Edit: Right, here's the text from the Wiki:

 

Divine, Warden romance

Leliana continued her open affair with the Hero of Ferelden. She/he was often seen at the Divine's side. Eventually, Divine Victoria decreed that all members of the Chantry, from initiate to Divine, would be allowed to engage in romantic relationships. When questioned, the Divine pointed to Andraste, who served the Maker while wed to a mortal spouse. In time, many in the Chantry came to accept the Divine's decree that "Love is the Maker's best gift and is infinite."

 

Not Divine, Warden romance

Leliana continued her romantic affair with the Hero of Ferelden, even though their respective responsibilities often kept them/the two women apart. Whenever she could spare the time, Leliana would join her love at a villa on the Waking Sea - the house from Leliana's childhood. Those days were deeply cherished, for both saw the troubles that were to come.

 

So it's clear that the Warden has returned to Thedas by 9:44 or shortly thereafter, but it doesn't say anything about success or failure.

[Domakir]

Strange that you only get a resolution to the story if you did a Leliana romance though. 

Not really. At the end of the day, she was one of the companions.

[TheBlackAdder13]

Not really. At the end of the day, she was one of the companions.

Yeah but you don't get anything from Morrigan in the vanilla Inquisition epilogue slides, for instance. 

[Domakir]

Yeah but you don't get anything from Morrigan in the vanilla Inquisition epilogue slides, for instance. 

Because the quest isn't over at that time. Trespasser takes place two years after Corypheus.

[TheBlackAdder13]

Because the quest isn't over at that time. Trespasser takes place two years after Corypheus.

The quest is over when Bioware decides it's over. They made a conscious decision to coincide the timing with a resolution for a Leliana romance but not a Morrigan one. I'm just wondering why that is. 

[Captain Wiseass]

Just because there wasn't a Morrigan slide in the Trespasser epilogue doesn't mean the Warden didn't rejoin a romanced Morrigan. It just means they didn't cover it, probably because Morrigan isn't in Trespasser. She leaves the Inquisitor's story after Corypheus is defeated, and Trespasser is ultimately about the Inquisitor's story, not the Warden's.