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[TheBlackAdder13]

Just because there wasn't a Morrigan slide in the Trespasser epilogue doesn't mean the Warden didn't rejoin a romanced Morrigan. It just means they didn't cover it, probably because Morrigan isn't in Trespasser. She leaves the Inquisitor's story after Corypheus is defeated, and Trespasser is ultimately about the Inquisitor's story, not the Warden's.

Yes, and yet they saw fit to include a nice slide about the warden that I appreciated if he/she romanced Leliana. The same could have done at the end of vanilla Inquisition for Morrigan, especially as she was the one narrating the slides, but they did not. Again, I'm wondering why that is. 

[BourbonDingo]

This might be something of a game on it's own if they focus on that.  The HoF (if alive) will probably die getting something important for the quest that reaches the new PC.  Some kind of codex, and (if applicable) an emotional moment from the HoF's love interest.

[kimgoold]

 

Hawke didn't had any job to do other than become rich in which s/he succeeded while the Inquisitor succeeded as well.

 

The HoF and the warden from Orlais are still tainted in DAA the Architect did nothing to them other than stealing some blood he even said it and no he didn't had any reason to lie about it as he did the same to others GW as well.

 

 

I can think of a few fails just off the top of my head, 

1. didn't save sibling escaping from Lothering or Deep Roads expedition

2. didn't save mother from insane Bloodmage

3. didn't stop Anders from kicking off a war with Templars

4. didn't save Kirkwall when war did kick off

5. left Mages and Kirkwall citizens to fend for themselves and ran from expected Chantry reprisals

[AlanC9]

Yes, and yet they saw fit to include a nice slide about the warden that I appreciated if he/she romanced Leliana. The same could have done at the end of vanilla Inquisition for Morrigan, especially as she was the one narrating the slides, but they did not. Again, I'm wondering why that is.

Probably because Leliana is a major figure in Trespasser while Morrigan isn't. Don't overthink it.

[Domakir]

The quest is over when Bioware decides it's over. They made a conscious decision to coincide the timing with a resolution for a Leliana romance but not a Morrigan one. I'm just wondering why that is.

If the warden has time to visit Leliana from time to time I think you can almost assume the quest is over.

The epilogue after Corypheus was for the Inquisition. Trespasser epilogue was for the companions so it is normal if he HoF is in the end if s/he romanced Leliana. Morrigan has nothing to do there.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Yeah this was what happened with my Warden. I just assumed he failed or didn't find anything conclusive and with Solas about to destroy the world as we know it, just said, "well **** it, I'm probably gonna die soon anyway." Strange that you only get a resolution to the story if you did a Leliana romance though. 

What i have never understood is why the wardens of DAO were trying to cure themselves when there was a lunatic that wanted to destroy the entire world....,ya you cured yourself but now you will die with the rest of the world,very intelligent indeed....

[German Soldier]

Yes, and yet they saw fit to include a nice slide about the warden that I appreciated if he/she romanced Leliana. The same could have done at the end of vanilla Inquisition for Morrigan, especially as she was the one narrating the slides, but they did not. Again, I'm wondering why that is. 

Please don't read too much into this because it means nothing it's like  you took genuinely offense over a slide just because Morrigan wasn't slapped into it.Leliana was the only one from DAO to be in Trespasser and she had her ending slide like every other npc of DAI in Trespasser.

[phoray]

What i have never understood is why the wardens of DAO were trying to cure themselves when there was a lunatic that wanted to destroy the entire world....,ya you cured yourself but now you will die with the rest of the world,very intelligent indeed....

I've heard it implied that the writer (Gaider?) Is practically in love with Leliana. So, he made sure she was in each game whether other people agreed or not. Makes sense that, then, only she gets the resolution.

[TheBlackAdder13]

What i have never understood is why the wardens of DAO were trying to cure themselves when there was a lunatic that wanted to destroy the entire world....,ya you cured yourself but now you will die with the rest of the world,very intelligent indeed....

 

Well Leliana says that the warden "disappeared" at the end of DA2 right after Varric's interrogation. So I think it's implied that he left before anyone even knew there was an "elder one" walking around. 

Please don't read too much into this because it means nothing it's like  you took genuinely offense over a slide just because Morrigan wasn't slapped into it.Leliana was the only one from DAO to be in Tespasser and she had her ending slide like every other npc of DAI in Trespasser.

 

What on Earth makes you think I'm "taking offense?" I outright said I didn't romance Morrigan and in fact romanced Leliana, hence I was happy with it. I don't see why trying to parse Bioware's reasons for doing this "taking offense."  

 

I've heard it implied that the writer (Gaider?) Is practically in love with Leliana. So, he made sure she was in each game whether other people agreed or not. Makes sense that, then, only she gets the resolution.

 

Gaider was off of DA by the time they wrote Trespasser. 

[German Soldier]

I can think of a few fails just off the top of my head, 

1. didn't save sibling escaping from Lothering or Deep Roads expedition

2. didn't save mother from insane Bloodmage

3. didn't stop Anders from kicking off a war with Templars

4. didn't save Kirkwall when war did kick off

5. left Mages and Kirkwall citizens to fend for themselves and ran from expected Chantry reprisals

This seem to be one of those childish debates in which one have to prove how mighty is a protagonist over another under their own false equivalence that failure  is solely detrimental while dismissing the context......

 

Didn't the warden noble failed in save their parents..... and their own life unless they are chosed by the player?(because they die unless you don't chose the Origin...)

 

The Dalish  in saving Tamlen...... and their own life unless they are chosed by the player?

 

The city elf in saving all their friends...... and their own life unless they are chosed by the player?

 

Let's not speak about the mage warden and the two dwarves....

 

Right...

Point is i don't understand what's your point?

[Lazarillo]

Add me to the group that things that the Warden not only "will succeed", but probably "has succeeded". That would certainly be a pretty notable thing that would cause a pretty big uproar among the organization (as noted by the Inquisition epilogue, and Varric's comments on Hawke, if s/he wasn't sacrified to the Nightmare). And if the player character Warden is dead, then they can easily make it so that someone else figured it out anyway.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I've heard it implied that the writer (Gaider?) Is practically in love with Leliana. So, he made sure she was in each game whether other people agreed or not. Makes sense that, then, only she gets the resolution.

I once read a comment from Gaider in this forum in which he said that his favourite characters  from DAO were  Alistair,Morrigan and Shale.

He never made any comment on Leliana in this regard.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

And if the player character Warden is dead, then they can easily make it so that someone else figured it out anyway.

Different choices same outcome is starting to become  a tiresome  constant in DA  tbh.

[kimgoold]

 

This seem to be one of those childish debates in which one have to prove how mighty is a protagonist over another under their own false equivalence that failure  is solely detrimental while dismissing the context......

 

Didn't the warden noble failed in save their parents..... and their own life unless they are chosed by the player?(because they die unless you don't chose the Origin...)

 

The Dalish  in saving Tamlen...... and their own life unless they are chosed by the player?

 

The city elf in saving all their friends...... and their own life unless they are chosed by the player?

 

Let's not speak about the mage warden and the two dwarves....

 

Right...

Point is i don't understand what's your point?

 

 

My point is how successful was the character in their game, goals completed that you felt was their goal in the game

Warden also amassed fortune, collected unique weapons and armour, companions and fulfilled treaties, etc. Killed Arch Demon stopped Blight

Inquisitor stopped Cory, closed breach, amassed fortune, etc. Stopped Qunari invasion. was quashed by Orleasians and Arl Teagan politically.

Hawke - amassed fortune, companions, weapons, etc; didn't kill Cory, fled Kirkwall and didn't defend Mages or citizens endangered by Anders coup and subsequent fallout. 

[Lazarillo]

Different choices same outcome is starting to become  a tiresome  constant in DA  tbh.

While I comprehend the sentiment, the alternative is one basically game's worth of content but the ability to only play a fraction of it, when the writers are unable to finish stories for multiple, drastically different scenarios. So I'm fine with paying that price. Especially if it means they can finish dropping old PCs out of the plot, and leave their fates in ambiguous freedom.

[Dabrikishaw]

I think the Taint cure will be found and used in the story eventually, even if not by the player's Warden.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

 So I'm fine with paying that price. Especially if it means they can finish dropping old PCs out of the plot, and leave their fates in ambiguous freedom.

Then all they have to do is continue to remain silent about this quest and leave it ambiguous which is tbh what i expect given how they painted themselves into a corner... i don't believe that the cure will be found after a thousand of years of failures just because an old PC need to close its personal quest before it's calling arrives............ that would be for me a form of  pampering the player's ego.

[phoray]

Then all they have to do is continue to remain silent about this quest and leave it ambiguous which is tbh what i expect given how they painted themselves into a corner... i don't believe that the cure will be found after a thousand of years of failures just because an old PC need to close its personal quest before it's calling arrives............ that would be for me a form of  pampering the player's ego.

But nobody ever has gone looking for a cure. Why would they? Blight can happen anytime and anyone that joins seems so in love with the Warden Order, no one wants to leave.

[Lazarillo]

Then all they have to do is continue to remain silent about this quest and leave it ambiguous which is tbh what i expect given how they painted themselves into a corner... i don't believe that the cure will be found after a thousand of years of failures just because an old PC need to close its personal quest before it's calling arrives............ that would be for me a form of  pampering the player's ego.

It's not really ambiguous if they don't state whether the Warden succeeded or failed though. A character on a quest will remain on a quest unless acted upon by plot fiat. And just accepting failure sort of ruins the excuse for the Warden not getting involved in Inquisition. Tie up the loose ends, and leave us with "and the adventure continues"...that's basically what old PCs need. Hawke finally got it at the end of Trespasser (assuming, again, s/he wasn't sacrificed to the Nightmare...and kind of even if s/he was thanks to Hard in Hightown Chapter ???). We just need a similar "okay, they're officially retired as a character now" moment for the Warden.

[Zero]

I'm one of those that assume the Warden found the "Cure", either the HoF or the neglected Orlesian Warden from Awakening if the HoF is dead. However, as some have said, maybe the "Cure" only works for the Warden, or the Warden and Alistair.

 

My bet is the second, as they need to close also the fate of the Theirin bloodline after all, since Alistair is the King of Ferelden in the "default world state" and they need to clarify if either the Theirin bloodline died with him or lived on through his descendant(s). And as Kieran is only optionally the son of Alistair, we need a proper Alistair son to get that clarification.

 

Is the HoF is a Mage, s/he can even be mimicking Avernus spell to slow down the Calling, as the HoF was joined in a Blight, meaning his/her time before the Calling is shorter than that of Alistair. 

 

But as some already said, that can be clarified through a codex or a random conversation. Even worse, by a dev's tweet or post in this forum (that would be sad, though).

 

BTW, new in the forums! Hi to all!

[Nocte ad Mortem]

My bet is the second, as they need to close also the fate of the Theirin bloodline after all, since Alistair is the King of Ferelden in the "default world state" and they need to clarify if either the Theirin bloodline died with him or lived on through his descendant(s). And as Kieran is only optionally the son of Alistair, we need a proper Alistair son to get that clarification.

 

I think they will likely find a cure since they've been talking about it since Origins, but I don't think they really NEED a child (doesn't need to be a son, DA world allows queens as equals basically everywhere) from Alistair. They just need a convenient bastard. If there's one thing royal families always have, it's another royal bastard out there somewhere. 

[sniper_arrow]

 

I once read a comment from Gaider in this forum in which he said that his favourite characters  from DAO were  Alistair,Morrigan and Shale.

He never made any comment on Leliana in this regard.

 

 

I heard it was Mike Laidlaw who's a huge fan of Loliana. Need a source somehow if this was true.

[vertigomez]

I heard it was Mike Laidlaw who's a huge fan of Loliana. Need a source somehow if this was true.

Did someone say... Loliana?

[TheBlackAdder13]

It's not really ambiguous if they don't state whether the Warden succeeded or failed though. A character on a quest will remain on a quest unless acted upon by plot fiat. And just accepting failure sort of ruins the excuse for the Warden not getting involved in Inquisition. Tie up the loose ends, and leave us with "and the adventure continues"...that's basically what old PCs need. Hawke finally got it at the end of Trespasser (assuming, again, s/he wasn't sacrificed to the Nightmare...and kind of even if s/he was thanks to Hard in Hightown Chapter ???). We just need a similar "okay, they're officially retired as a character now" moment for the Warden.

Agreed. Though even Hawke's resolution, while satisfying, was also somewhat tiresome as it completely glossed over whatever the hell happened at Weisshaupt. As for the Warden, yes, I'd like closure on the quest for the cure one way or the other. I'd also like some clarity on what exactly Morrigan left the Warden at the end of Witch Hunt -- I suspect it was something that initiated the quest, especially if the Blight is connected to the ancient, pre-veil elves since Morrigan likely got it in the Eluvians. 

[sniper_arrow]

I suspect the cure storyline thing will be swept under the rug and Bioware will simply say "HOF found the cure and lived happily ever after. The end.".