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[sniper_arrow]

Did someone say... Loliana?

 

WTF

[Aren]

I don't see why we should care after all these years...and with new interesting plots.

[Aren]

I'm one of those that assume the Warden found the "Cure", either the HoF or the neglected Orlesian Warden from Awakening if the HoF is dead. However, as some have said, maybe the 

The Orlesian warden is not involved in this quest nor is present in the DA keep which mean they did not went to the west because they did not cared to cure the calling.

 

 

 

My bet is the second, as they need to close also the fate of the Theirin bloodline after all, since Alistair is the King of Ferelden in the "default world state" and they need to clarify if either the Theirin bloodline died with him or lived on through his descendant(s). And as Kieran is only optionally the son of Alistair, we need a proper Alistair son to get that clarification.

 

 

The default world-state isn't relevant as it is not the character of Alistair for the narrative

They can use whatever npc they want to rule Ferelden.

[Zero]

The default world-state isn't relevant as it is not the character of Alistair for the narrative

 

Well, they use that "default world-state" for stuff like comics and novels, that means that, if they care for continuity, they must deal with the issue of the Theirin bloodline eventually.

[Aren]

Well, they use that "default world-state" for stuff like comics and novels, that means that, if they care for continuity, they must deal with the issue of the Theirin bloodline eventually.

If they will not revisit Ferelden in the future they can simply ignore it.

 

There are  similar issues for others rulers in Thedas (like in Nevarra where the last king of the Phentagast dynasty is dying without heirs) but the plot don't need to adress it if it will not intersect  the plot of a game.

The same thing is for the quest of the HoF,it is something that does not concern the storyline.

[phoray]

 

If they will not revisit Ferelden in the future they can simply ignore it.

 

There are  similar issues for others rulers in Thedas (like in Nevarra where the last king of the Phentagast dynasty is dying without heirs) but the plot don't need to adress it if it will not intersect  the plot of a game.

The same thing is for the quest of the HoF,it is something that does not concern the storyline.

 

 

Fans care. Sometimes companies listen to fans. It's the absolutely only reason any mention of the HoF is even present in DAI, why Hawke/Alistair/Loghain and several other characters make cameos. I think most of us fans would be satisifed with at least a textual resolution to plots the writers of Bioware brought into the mix. Why would they abandon it, when the continuity is what people love so much about the world of Thedas? 

[TheBlackAdder13]

I don't see why we should care after all these years...and with new interesting plots.

Because Bioware keeps adding new threads to their story without properly resolving them. It's pretty irritating tbh. I'd be fine if they retired the character and at this point if they're not going to let us play the Warden again, I prefer they do so. But I want them to retire them with full closure -- not with loose ends hanging about. 

[DuskWanderer]

Its a way to keep people from screaming "Oh noes! I wants da Warden!" 

 

It wasn't very effective, but I can appreciate that they tried. 

[Aren]

Fans care. Sometimes companies listen to fans. It's the absolutely only reason any mention of the HoF is even present in DAI, why Hawke/Alistair/Loghain and several other characters make cameos. I think most of us fans would be satisifed with at least a textual resolution to plots the writers of Bioware brought into the mix. Why would they abandon it, when the continuity is what people love so much about the world of Thedas? 

Not all fans only those of DAO and as time is passing on many players are losing interest not to mention those who never played DAO.

 

DA is about continuity but if you realize that one game is from 2009 and the new one would not be realised until 2019 you will notice that after 10 years the people that will care to know about what happend to the warden will be enormously decreased that's i think what their current strategy is.

[phoray]

 

Not all fans only those of DAO and as time is passing on many players are losing interest not to mention those who never played DAO.

 

DA is about continuity but if you realize that one game is from 2009 and the new one would not be realised until 2019 you will notice that after 10 years the people that will care to know about what happend to the warden will be enormously decreased that's i think what their current strategy is.

 

 

In the year 2016, a 28 year old woman was sick and felt like playing a video game even though she rarely did anymore since childhood. She asked her husband what was good in his library and he suggested this game called Dragon Age. She played it, became absolutely hooked; played all it's expansions too. bought 2, played it and it's expansions, and then bought DAI and played it and it's expansions. She is now on her 2nd and 3rd playthrough of all three games.

 

Obviously that person is me; but my point is, I became a fan of Dragon Age Origins in the year 2016 and the Hero of Fereldan is not seven years old for me. I can't be the only person to have picked up these games recently. I bet people who bought DAI checked out DA2 and DAO while they were at it. Therefore, their Hero of Fereldan is also not 7 years old. Usually Sequels have people checking out the originals and sales increase yet again for them.

 

In 2018/2019 when DA4 comes out, new players, and I do not imply all, will again check out the games of the series that came before it. and in 2019 when the DAO is 10 years old, there will be a whole new batch of Heroes of Fereldan newly born.

 

In regards to the OP, I think a cure should be found just because that'd be awesome; it'd explain the magic of taint in the first place to be able to reverse it.

[Aulis Vaara]

The same thing is for the quest of the HoF,it is something that does not concern the storyline.

Sorry, what? A cure for the calling that comes with the Taint does not concern the storyline? The very same storyline that revolves around tainted Old Gods and Magisters?

[Nixou]

It was only written as an excuse for why the Warden didn't turn up in Inquisition so people wouldn't complain, so I'm not convinced it'll ever be mentioned again.

I'm starting to believe that this is the most likely explanation,since DAI was in part featured in Ferelden the writers needed to find something to remove the warden from the plot for all the years required for DAI thus until Trespasser,for what i recall this quest ended apparently in Trespasser.

 

 

No and Yes

 

Yes, the Cure Quest is clearly a way to justify the Warden not being involved in Inquisition (since, you know, that's pretty much their job)

 

No I don't think they'll let this plot thread hang without mentioning it.

Sure, the writers could simply say "The Warden failed in his/her quest, then went on his/her calling" but it would reek of lazy writing.

 

And that's the problem Bioware's writers are facing right now: the people who want a conclusion to the Cure Quest can be divided in two sub-groups:

1. The Warden fanboys (and girls) who want their Super-Dupper Overpowered Self-Insert Cypher to come back and one shot ogres and dragons to show the world how "awesome" s/he is
2. People who don't like lazy writing.

And the truth is, it's hard to please one group without pissing the other: Warden fan-service will go against the series' recurring theme about how limited, at the end of the day, the influence of revered "heroes" is compared to society's inertia, while good writing will most probably infuriate the fan club. But since not mentioning the quest will end up angering both groups anyway, I expect the writers will try to tie up all the loose ends they themselves introduced.

[Secret Rare]

 

Usually Sequels have people checking out the originals and sales increase yet again for them.

 

For my own experiences with many friends of mine i can say that it doesn't work that way most of the time .

People are tremendously obsessed with graphics you can't expect that all those who felt comfortable with Frostbite will show interest in a game made with Eclipse and with an outdated graphic.

 

Sorry, what? A cure for the calling that comes with the Taint does not concern the storyline? The very same storyline that revolves around tainted Old Gods and Magisters?

NO because actually the storyline revolve around Solas which is not tainted.

Thedas has survived without a cure to remove the taint for  thousands of years.

[Secret Rare]

 

No I don't think they'll let this plot thread hang without mentioning it.

Sure, the writers could simply say "The Warden failed in his/her quest, then went on his/her calling" but it would reek of lazy writing.

 

Why lazy? This seem to be realistic...

Also i find laughable that differents HoF will end up with the same results....

[Aulis Vaara]

NO because actually the storyline revolve around Solas which is not tainted.

Ah yes, we shouldn't worship the Warden, we should worship Solas instead. The whole story of the next Dragon Age will be about him and nothing else. He is the glue that holds Thedas together. Going to the people who used to worship the Old Gods and fought the first Blight surely is not at all going to touch on the Taint.

Tie in to the rest of the series? No! Why should they, right? Why would they even continue to unravel the mysteries of this world when he have a bald elf to worship?

Thedas has survived without a cure to remove the taint for  thousands of years.

And it will surely continue to do so? Running out of Old Gods to corrupt is not an issue at all. Trying to figure out what the Taint is and where it comes from? That's not important! Everything will just continue being just fine. Let's just stick our heads in the sand!

[Akiza]

 

 

And that's the problem Bioware's writers are facing right now: the people who want a conclusion to the Cure Quest can be divided in two sub-groups:

1. The Warden fanboys (and girls) who want their Super-Dupper Overpowered Self-Insert Cypher to come back and one shot ogres and dragons to show the world how "awesome" s/he is

Yes please i'm one of the fangirls  who want their Super-Dupper Overpowered Self-Insert Cypher to come back Bioware please pamper my ego.

Spoiler

 

Ah yes, we shouldn't worship the Warden, we should worship Solas instead. The whole story of the next Dragon Age will be about him and nothing else. He is the glue that holds Thedas together. Going to the people who used to worship the Old Gods and fought the first Blight surely is not at all going to touch on the Taint.

Tie in to the rest of the series? No! Why should they, right? Why would they even continue to unravel the mysteries of this world when he have a bald elf to worship?


 

What does the HoF or the cure have to do with the future plot?

Modern Tevinter isn't old Tevinter either..and yes as Blackwall said blight gone Grey wardens forgotten.

[Dai Grepher]

The Cure is needed to cleanse the Black City when we go there in DA5.

[DDJ]

Yes, the Hero will find the cure. A Cousland wouldn't have left his or her throne unless the quest presented a strong possibility of being true, and numerous types of Heroes wouldn't return until being successful, especially the dwarven Heroes.

It also makes sense for BioWare to introduce a cure for the taint, seeing as how the Grey Warden Order is starting to fracture anyway, and since griffons seem to be on the verge of making a comeback. The Cure could be what revolutionizes the Warden order into something truly worthy of honor and respect. The Cure could also bring back the dwarven empire.

Of course, that all depends if the cure is something that can be replicated or administered at will. It's possible that cure exists only in a certain part of the world and cannot be moved. Like some mystical location with runes and structures that draw out ailments through magic.

It's also possible that the cure comes with a price. It was said that Imshael could remove red lyrium for a price, which involved an action one of the red templars could not bring himself to commit. However, this may have just been Imshael messing with that one templar. What he wanted him to do may have been completely unrelated to the red lyrium extraction process.

In any case, I think it would be pathetic for BioWare to back out of this by saying the mission ended with the cure being just a myth. The storyline since Origins has been leading to the people of Thedas, the Wardens in particular, learning the true nature of the taint and its connection to the Black City. Finding a cure would provide more clues.

 

I agree, the HoF will find a cure for no other reason than I am certain BioWare is tired of being bothered about it.  A great deal of anti-Warden sentiment comes from the cheerful "welcome to ghoulhood" retirement package.  There seem to be a lot of unhappy players, and for those of us who actually played a surviving HoF the question becomes why would BioWare aggravates those who buy the games and the books.  I don't believe the fan base is going to permit BioWare to back anywhere.

[Inkvisiittori]

I believe my Warden will succeed. "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." I don't care if he is never mentioned again in the future DA games. It's better if they leave his fate unknown and thus let the players decide for themselves what happened. 

[straykat]

My Warden already succeeded...

 

 

...In dying.

[Gervaise]

I suspect that the original plotline for Here Lies the Abyss would be to have you choose between the HoF and Hawke.   It makes sense that the Warden would be the person who was their contact and who had been forced to go on the run because they had more sense than the rest.    However, they then realised the outcry there would be over that and given the popularity of the Warden character, some people might consider it no choice at all, Hawke dies.   So they substituted the alternative Warden that we were given.

 

They then had the problem of trying to explain what had happened to our Warden.   I've already pointed out elsewhere how irritating it is that they seem to have totally ignored the plot of DAA in Clarel's letter and Teagan constantly harping back to Sophie Dryden, who is ancient history compared with what the Hof or the  Orlesian Warden achieved in Amaranthine and Vigil's Keep.   Clared didn't have to seek Teagan's permission to enter Ferelden and rebuild the Wardens because they were already there, being involved in secular government of a region at the express invitation of the monarch.    That situation would not have been any different whether the Warden had gone off looking for a cure or not.   In fact since the Orlessian Commander does not go seeking a cure so there is no need to find a replacement, unless they had gone on their Calling, in which case this should have been given as the reason for Clarel taking over command in Ferelden.    The Grey Warden's did not need Teagan's permission for anything.     The monarch had already authorised their presence in the country.

 

In fact why was Clarel apparently running the show in both Orlais and Ferelden?    The Wardens weren't that short of personnel surely?   When so much was riding on making Vigil's Keep as success, you would want the person in charge to focus their attention on it entirely, not be trying to govern the entire Warden set-up in southern Thedas.   Still, it seems clear that getting the HoF out of the picture was also seen as necessary for the Grey Warden plot to make any sense at all.    Suggesting they had gone on some vague quest to find a cure for the calling was considered the best way to do this.    If they had tied this into the plot concerning the false calling, that would have made a bit more sense.  So HoF's reaction is to try and find a way to stop the problem and while they are gone Clarel goes all stupid and starts listening to some random mage from Tevinter, instead of reporting back to HQ and asking what they think they should do.   Again, if it had been shown that HQ had said "Go after the remaining archdemons", that might have made Clarel seem a little less idiotic because she was basically following orders.   I do question the sanity of anyone that thinks summoning up a demon army is a solution to their problem.   If it was that simple a way of confronting the darkspawn, why didn't the Grey Wardens do that in a normal Blight?    Way less wasteful than ordinary personnel and you don't have to sleep with the queen to get her to deploy her troops.  (see Last Flight)

 

It is just possible that the cure for the taint will feature in the Solas plot, if one of the reasons he is convinced the world has to end is that it is irredeemably infected by the Blight which is actually getting worse.   If it has been around for thousands of years, then it was safely contained.    The actions of the Magisters seem to have released it even if they didn't cause it.   That was only a few hundred years ago.    Now red lyrium has been discovered and is spreading on the surface of Thedas.   It can live on any organic creature, even the microbes in the soil, so without a way of stopping that Thedas will ultimately be doomed, darkspawn or no darkspawn.    Thus the HoF could have in fact shown great foresight in seeking a cure and once again will be the saviour of the day.

 

Except in the Leliana romance version they are apparently back and living with her, with no mention of the cure at all.    So sadly not the saviour we are looking for.

[Absafraginlootly]

I'm guessing that the grey warden will find something but then die anyway.

Perhaps holding back darkspawn forces so that another character could escape with the information.

Eg.

>they find a cure but the HoF's corruption is to far advanced to be helped.

>they find a blight cure but it doesn't work on grey wardens because of the arch demon blood they used/because they were tainted with a ritual.

> they don't find a cure but they do find out a vital peace of information about the blight/the archdemons.

Etc.

The escaping character could offer a first hand account to the PC.

[DDJ]

My suspicion is that BW will succeed no matter what end you chose for him/her in DAO.  This has nothing to do with the lore in the games, only with BW's plot writing.  Even if HoF kills the archdemon and dies, this does not deter BW one second from bringing them back in Awakening or any of the other adventures.  I considered that a "miracle resurrection" until I thought about the others who conveniently rise from the dead.  Wynne has the opportunity to die twice in DAO yet back she comes in Awakening not dying until one of the books.  I was positive she was gone for good then, but that is since reduced to 85 percent.  Leliana can die during DAO yet back she comes in DA2 and DAI.  These people are protected not by plot armor but something far more powerful - writers' pet armor.  Now HoF was a favorite for all of us who have played since the beginning.  Do to our purchase of the game and subsequent DLCs it is clearly, or should be, in BW's interests to keep the fans happy.  

 

So to the cure.  In another forum I read one comment that why doesn't BW give us a PC who does not lose something in the end.  There is a valid point to this.  HoF saves the world and can lose their life or descend to ghouldom.  Hawke can become ruler of Kirkwall, but that vanishes swiftly since Varric now rules Kirkwall.  The Inquisitor saves the world then is denied (if you disband the Inquisition) what they have built or their autonomy.  They also lose an arm which renders them highly ineffective as a warrior or a rogue.  I am not certain what it does for them as a mage, but I will address this below.

 

Even if your Warden died they can be resurrected as a convenience to the plot.  For BW it is simpler if they died, but far too many players allowed them to survive to ignore.  So I expect that they will have a miracle Fiona style cure along the lines of "I do not know what happened.  Suddenly the taint was just gone."  Writers' pet armor is exceptionally powerful, particularly when leaving HoF tainted results in an ultimate descent to ghouldom.  BW will not permit that, and if they simply ignore one of the three greatest heroes of the age as they bill them, the fans will not be pleased.  They are already not pleased that HoF made no appearance in DAI.  From a financial standpoint I believe HoF will return cured.  BW has a winning franchise on its hands and doesn't want to jeopardize it.  As to the loss of a limb, if BW can raise the dead repeatedly they can certainly restore the limb.  

 

Just my random thoughts on the matter.

[Absafraginlootly]

I presume the warden isn't searching solo. If they made the ultimate sacrifice then the companions they would have gone with can always still go.

There could be fewer surviving members without the HoF's assistance and obviously if they were there then the other/s would mention them.

So there'd be a difference depending on that choice, whilst still allowing the necessary plot point to always appear.

[Shechinah]

I'm hoping they don't suceed since I'd hate for the Grey Wardens to lose that aspect of them.