9 Antworten in diesem Thema

[voteDC]

We get told that at some unknown point that the Citadel was added to the Crucible's design as the Catalyst. Perfectly logical to use it and the relay network to distribute Reaper killing energy.

Yet at no point do we learn how they intended to fire it. The only way of doing so being inside Hologram Kid's secret chamber.

So it would be quite reasonable to assume that the race that added the Citadel to the plans to have known about that secret chamber and what it would contain.

Yet the two sources we have on the Crucible have no information on either how to fire it or about the AI hidden away on the Citadel. Sure we can say the plans we got from Mars were incomplete, but would Vendetta not have had this information? Would the prothean VI not have let us know how to fire the Crucible?

See it makes sense to me that at some point the Hologram Kid would have been discovered since it is a requirement in order to fire the Crucible. Yet despite the plans surviving intact for hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of years not one mention of the Citadel AI survived.

Did previous races know or am I just letting my sleep deprived mind lead me in circles?

[themikefest]

I doubt any previous species knew.

 

What I like to know is why Vendetta calls the Citadel, catalyst, when Javik, the two VI's on Ilos and even Sovereign call it, Citadel? Was that the codename for the Citadel when the protheans were building the crucible before the project was sabotaged? Or is it just pure coincidence that Vendetta, or rather its programmer, called the Citadel, catalyst?

[Jukaga]

Citadel refers to the whole structure, Catalyst refers to the universal plug at the apex. Presumably Vendetta's makers had figured out they needed to interface the two but of course it was too late since the Reapers' plan went off without a hitch.

[Dantriges]

Yet the two sources we have on the Crucible have no information on either how to fire it or about the AI hidden away on the Citadel. Sure we can say the plans we got from Mars were incomplete, but would Vendetta not have had this information? Would the prothean VI not have let us know how to fire the Crucible?

 

Seems the protheans didn´t know. Yeah it´s the most selective incmpleteness ever. We know how to build it but the project description page, the "This is the Crucible and this is what it´s supoosed to do" is missing.

[voteDC]

Citadel refers to the whole structure, Catalyst refers to the universal plug at the apex. Presumably Vendetta's makers had figured out they needed to interface the two but of course it was too late since the Reapers' plan went off without a hitch.

But how did the race who added the Citadel to the plans of the Crucible intend to fire it when it was there? They must have had some idea what they were going to do. Surely someone after that point must have worked out a plan to activate it?

Just makes sense for me that they worked out about the secret chamber and what was in it. We do get told that it tried Synthesis before and it didn't work, perhaps it was previous cycles Crucibles that it used?

 

Seems the protheans didn´t know. Yeah it´s the most selective incmpleteness ever. We know how to build it but the project description page, the "This is the Crucible and this is what it´s supoosed to do" is missing.

With all those big brains working on the project, you would have thought that they would have stopped for a few minutes and wonder how they were going to activate the thing.

[Dantriges]

Plug it in, hope for the best?

 

Ok, it seems they were expecting that it goes active when connected to the Citadel and to see something specific after doing that. Perhaps they thought they knew and no one told Shep beforehand.

[Vanilka]

The Catalyst mentions that Shepard is the very first organic to step into the "decision chamber". Whether that also means that the other Cycles never learnt of it, that's another question. You'd think, though, that making a device that relies on the Catalyst to work would require that knowledge. It makes you wonder why it wasn't in the plans to begin with and why the last piece of the puzzle was carried by Vendetta instead which mostly caused difficulties, because if the asari councillor wasn't like, "Hey, so I randomly remembered we have this weird statue," the thing might've never got finished.

[Addictress]

I got the impression that the first cycle knew about the catalyst and planned the rough basic idea of the whole device from head to toes, but then as Star child said, the reapers found out about it and destroyed it, not knowing the organics were resilient and continued slowly building on top of it every cycle.

 

So what probably happened was that the specifics of what the catalyst was had been lost when the reapers initially destroyed the plans, but then subsequent cycles kept building on the general plan (the battery, the crucible) anyways. And they had the general knowledge that the catalyst was somehow contained in or related to the Citadel, but like a game of phone-tag, exactly why got lost in translation.

[voteDC]

But we get told that the Citadel wasn't part of the original design, it was a later addition.

If that is true then how was it originally intended to be used and fired?

 

We get the what and where but never the how with the Crucible.

Personally speaking I would have liked to have seen Shepard come across multiple designs of the Crucible during the game. Surely more than one copy of the plans would have survived and at different stages of development. It would have been nice for Shepard to get back some control in the game and work out what the Catalyst was.

[iM3GTR]

There's no such thing as starchild. ME3 never happened.