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[spinachdiaper]

Guessing when the MEA exodus begins

 

I'm not to enthusiastic about the timing of the departure from the Milky Way (should of been after ME3), but in light of this I would think the best breaking point exists during the very beginning of ME2 when essentially Shepard was dead for two years.

It makes sense to me since after ME1 people are now aware that the reaper threat is real.

The fact that the council doing nothing to prepare and covering up Sovereign's existence during Citadel attack could fuel a shadowy group to look to abandon the milky way before the stuff hits the fan.

[KotorEffect3]

I am assuming they will leave post ME 2 but before ME 3.  I am thinking around arrival's time frame.   We will see.

[Furisco]

It makes sense to me since after ME1 people are now aware that the reaper threat is real.

 

 

Reapers?

[spinachdiaper]

I am assuming they will leave post ME 2 but before ME 3.  I am thinking around arrival's time frame.   We will see.

That could be a option. Although I think the post Arrival window is tricky since it could actually require sneaking past the Reapers.

[KotorEffect3]

That could be a option. Although I think the post Arrival window is tricky since it could actually require sneaking past the Reapers.

Not necessarily,  I guess it could depend which direction Andromeda is in relation to the Milky Way.  I know the Reapers invaded from the "south".  I also have a theory in which I believe the arks avoided using the relay system on their way out.  The Milky Way is vast so the Reapers would not be that hard to avoid if you stay off the grid.

[LightningPoodle]

That could be a option. Although I think the post Arrival window is tricky since it could actually require sneaking past the Reapers.

Not much sneaking would be required actually. If we leave after Arrival but before the Reapers get here, we would know what direction they are assaulting the galaxy from. That's the entire reason why we blow up that Relay. It's so they have to travel all the way to the next closest one to begin their invasion. If we leave after Arrival, we'd simply need to leave the galaxy from the oposited side to where the Reapers are supposed to come in from.

Once we get into dark space, it would just be a matter of adjusting course.

[spinachdiaper]

Not necessarily,  I guess it could depend which direction Andromeda is in relation to the Milky Way.  I know the Reapers invaded from the "south".  I also have a theory in which I believe the arks avoided using the relay system on their way out.  The Milky Way is vast so the Reapers would not be that hard to avoid if you stay off the grid.

The safe bet is the Arks and Tempest use re-engineered Reaper and or Prothean FTL that doesn't use ME relays

[KotorEffect3]

The safe bet is the Arks and Tempest use re-engineered Reaper and or Prothean FTL that doesn't use ME relays

A lot of people think they may have used intel to reverse engineer the collector cruisers.

[spinachdiaper]

A lot of people think they may have used intel to reverse engineer the collector cruisers.

They are kind of a in between of Reapers and Protheans. I had forgot about them for a moment.

[Seraphim24]

I'm not sure there is any way to know.

[ZipZap2000]

The Kodiak is in it. That gives a you a very good idea of roughly when.

[AlanC9]

Yeah, the revealed techs don't leave too much room for doubt about the timeframe.

[SofaJockey]

I think it is when the fleets are mobilized, before the arrival of the Reapers at Earth:

 

[Helios969]

Post Thessia.  Continuity of civilization to consider...

[UpUpAway]

Staggered.

 

First ARK or ARKs - Leave the Milky Way as a scouting expedition (pathfinder) earlier than the rest, uses Mass Relays to get to the edge of the galaxy and the uses FTL technology or some modified hybrid technolgoy from the Prothean Archives on Ilos and nearby Agetoton (where ruins of downed Prothean aerostat colonies were found after Shepard located the Mu Relay in ME1 - which allowed exploration of the Refuge System).  The purpose of the mission would be a "test" to determine the viability of "in stasis" ARK travel outside the known galaxy.  The ARK successfully departs the galaxy and the AI on board reports the ARKs course back until communications are suddenly cut.  Shepard is unaware of this initiative - the Council instead distracting him/her by "sending him/her to fight geth." (per beginning of ME2)

 

Encouraged by the first ARK's early reports back, the Alliance/Council (or another interspecies coalition) decide to take a chance on the technology and continue to build a number of larger ARKs in secret location(s) throughout the galaxy.  These projects are in varying states of completion when the Reapers breakthrough and begin their attacked.  Although the first attack we see is of Earth, ME3 actually states that it was the Batarians who were "hit right out of the gate" and almost essentially wiped out.  This attack and the fact that Earth's long-range sensors pick up something is what enables Hackett mobilize Earth's fleets AND at the same time mobilize a group of completed ARKs to evacuate as many people as possible from Earth.  By now, Shepard and Anderson may have been made aware of the initiative, possibly leading to their conversations about "not being ready if it is them" and "not being able to save them all."

 

I also see it possible that each species (or "world" participating in the ARK coalition) is given the "freedom" to determine if and when their own group of ARKs allocated to them is loaded, who is "selected," and when it departs.  The Asari, "not believing that this day would ever come" do not depart until after the fall of Thessia when the councillor finally decides that there is "the continuity of civilization to consider."

 

I also think it is possible that the Turians turn down participation in the ARK program altogether; adopting instead the measures Garrus tells Shepard about when he tells him about what "his task force" accomplished.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Since they announced the game I've thought that a departure date between ME1 and ME3 was likely, and nothing they've said or shown recently has done anything but reinforce that opinion.

[Kabooooom]

They are kind of a in between of Reapers and Protheans. I had forgot about them for a moment.

It takes them 600 years to reach Andromeda. That's pretty much they canonical 12 light years / day FTL speed of standard Citadel ships. I doubt they reverse engineered anything.

[EpicNewb]

I think it is when the fleets are mobilized, before the arrival of the Reapers at Earth:

 

Imagine them departing when Shep was still dead or locked up by the Alliance between 2 & 3

 

Staggered.

 

First ARK or ARKs - Leave the Milky Way as a scouting expedition (pathfinder) earlier than the rest, uses Mass Relays to get to the edge of the galaxy and the uses FTL technology or some modified hybrid technolgoy from the Prothean Archives on Ilos and nearby Agetoton (where ruins of downed Prothean aerostat colonies were found after Shepard located the Mu Relay in ME1 - which allowed exploration of the Refuge System).  The purpose of the mission would be a "test" to determine the viability of "in stasis" ARK travel outside the known galaxy.  The ARK successfully departs the galaxy and the AI on board reports the ARKs course back until communications are suddenly cut.  Shepard is unaware of this initiative - the Council instead distracting him/her by "sending him/her to fight geth." (per beginning of ME2)

 

Encouraged by the first ARK's early reports back, the Alliance/Council (or another interspecies coalition) decide to take a chance on the technology and continue to build a number of larger ARKs in secret location(s) throughout the galaxy.  These projects are in varying states of completion when the Reapers breakthrough and begin their attacked.  Although the first attack we see is of Earth, ME3 actually states that it was the Batarians who were "hit right out of the gate" and almost essentially wiped out.  This attack and the fact that Earth's long-range sensors pick up something is what enables Hackett mobilize Earth's fleets AND at the same time mobilize a group of completed ARKs to evacuate as many people as possible from Earth.  By now, Shepard and Anderson may have been made aware of the initiative, possibly leading to their conversations about "not being ready if it is them" and "not being able to save them all."

 

I also see it possible that each species (or "world" participating in the ARK coalition) is given the "freedom" to determine if and when their own group of ARKs allocated to them is loaded, who is "selected," and when it departs.  The Asari, "not believing that this day would ever come" do not depart until after the fall of Thessia when the councillor finally decides that there is "the continuity of civilization to consider."

 

I also think it is possible that the Turians turn down participation in the ARK program altogether; adopting instead the measures Garrus tells Shepard about when he tells him about what "his task force" accomplished.

Will you expand on this?

 

I think The Arks leave well before the fall of Thessia.

 

The Reaps are owning the Milky Way by the time Thessia gets destructed.  Waiting on blue tentacle head stubbornness would get everyone killed

[EpicNewb]

It takes them 600 years to reach Andromeda. That's pretty much they canonical 12 light years / day FTL speed of standard Citadel ships. I doubt they reverse engineered anything.

Don't think they had timez

[Fixers0]

There's gonna be inevitable retconning happening regardless. It would be incredibly dumb if the Arks were constructed after the war began, because there simply isn't enought time to construct such huge and complex vessel over the course of just a few months at most. The writers made this fault allready with the crucible, A giant alien power source that was appreantly constructed over the course of several weeks during war time.

[UpUpAway]

Imagine them departing when Shep was still dead or locked up by the Alliance between 2 & 3

 

Will you expand on this?

 

I think The Arks leave well before the fall of Thessia.

 

The Reaps are owning the Milky Way by the time Thessia gets destructed.  Waiting on blue tentacle head stubbornness would get everyone killed

 

Some ARKs leave before Thessia... some ARKs leave after.  That is what a "staggered" departure means.  Each species decides for themselves when their ARKs leave... and the Asari leave it really late.  Humans act quicker... using the info from their long-range scanners to get their ARKs on the way before the Reapers hit earth.  They don't all have to travel right together... they eventually regroup in Andromeda... or perhaps part of the story lies in the various ARKs having to find each other.

 

I suspect that more ARKs were also still under construction when the Reapers hit... If you hatched a plan to build ARKs, it would make sense that you would keep building more and more of them until you ran out of resources or had enough to carry everyone (or as many as possible).  Shepard says clearly "you know we're not ready if it is them, not by a long ways." (Perhaps meaning, we still have X ARKs under construction.)  Later, Anderson can indicate (if paragon is chosen) that it's tough knowing "you can't save everyone."  (Perhaps meaning, we didn't have enough ARKs finished to have even considered evacuating Earth entirely before this attack.)

 

Also, Anderson has been retrofitting the Normandy to use as a "mobile command center" - long before the Reapers attack.  Question is - mobile command of what - an ARK armada?  Where did all the resources Shepard had on board when he turned in the Normandy really go?  Towards a Crucible that wasn't even known about yet... or an ARK project already well under construction?

 

The entire Refuge System and the Prothean Archives on Ilos we not accessible to anyone prior to ME1, but it was accessible after Shepard obtained the information on the "lost" Mu Relay.  There was no logical reason for the Alliance to just stop investigating Ilos afterward... even if Vigil shut down as Anderson claimed.)  When Liara is queried at the beginning of ME3 about why she's there, she says:  "Process of elimination, mixed with a little desperation."  That could mean that there were searches going on in other Prothean Archives.  Those earlier searches might have yielded plans for the ARK project... but not plans for a weapon to fight the Reapers.  So, while building ARKs, they continued to search for a weapon (a better plan), but were not successful until finding the Crucible plans on Mars.  Having an ARK project secretly underway for as much as 3 years would make it easier for the Alliance to switch over ot building 1 Crucible after the attacks.  Garrus says you go to war with the army you have... well, they could have departed with the ARKs they had ready and switched over to building a weapon they had just found the plans for to try to save the rest they had to leave behind.

[Monk]

Guessing when the MEA exodus begins

 

I'm not to enthusiastic about the timing of the departure from the Milky Way (should of been after ME3), but in light of this I would think the best breaking point exists during the very beginning of ME2 when essentially Shepard was dead for two years.

It makes sense to me since after ME1 people are now aware that the reaper threat is real.

The fact that the council doing nothing to prepare and covering up Sovereign's existence during Citadel attack could fuel a shadowy group to look to abandon the milky way before the stuff hits the fan.

 

This stuff hitting the fan. Is it confetti or, maybe popcorn? I mean confetti, that's fairly harmless. I wouldn't be bothered by that. Now popcorn, as long as it was a flavor i could agree with, i could totally stand. And maybe get some in mah tummy too.

 

On a slightly more srs note, i'm of the mind that this exodus happened at the end of ME2 while they had Shepard under house arrest due to, essentially, being brought back from the dead and doing what Alliance wasn't willing to do. What perfect time to keep him busy while a super-secret project is underway to get select members of each council race the heck out of dodge.

 

 

And it's not like they didn't _believe in Shepard (well…) but what if they fails? How do you escape when a super advanced machine race starts on the warpath for all intelligent life in the galaxy?

[dreamgazer]

Man, I can't wait for "Ah yes, Reapers" to become even dumber than it already is.

[AlanC9]

Man, I can't wait for "Ah yes, Reapers" to become even dumber than it already is.

But didn't Citadel retcon that to be a lie?

[EpicNewb]

Some ARKs leave before Thessia... some ARKs leave after.  That is what a "staggered" departure means.  Each species decides for themselves when their ARKs leave... and the Asari leave it really late.  Humans act quicker... using the info from their long-range scanners to get their ARKs on the way before the Reapers hit earth.  They don't all have to travel right together... they eventually regroup in Andromeda... or perhaps part of the story lies in the various ARKs having to find each other.

 

I suspect that more ARKs were also still under construction when the Reapers hit... If you hatched a plan to build ARKs, it would make sense that you would keep building more and more of them until you ran out of resources or had enough to carry everyone.  Shepard says clearly "you know we're not ready if it is them, not by a long ways." (Perhaps meaning, we still have X ARKs under construction.)  Later, Anderson can indicate (if paragon is chosen) that it's tough knowing "you can't save everyone."  (Perhaps meaning, we didn't have enough ARKs finished to have even considered evacuating Earth entirely before this attack.)

 

Also, Anderson has been retrofitting the Normandy to use as a "mobile command center" - long before the Reapers attack.  Question is - mobile command of what - an ARK armada?  Where did all the resources Shepard had on board when he turned in the Normandy really go?  Towards a Crucible that wasn't even known about yet... or an ARK project already well under construction?

Bioware can surprise people by starting the game with a flashback of that convo between Shepard and Anderson.

 

Then boom screen changes to people running into The Arks.