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[Cyberpunk]

For fun, I am going to analyze a hypothetical matchup between all the special forces in the Mass Effect Universe. Which do you think will prevail and why? 

 

The rules:

1. Assume units at maximum strength (Krogans have Grunt and Batarians are not destroyed by Reapers yet and N7 at height of Reaper Wars) 

2. Assume Squad v Squad scenarios

3. Take into account weapon differences if any

 

I'll begin by a force analysis along with a conclusion. 

 

Alliance N7

 

The best the Alliance has to offer; literally the special forces within Alliance special forces. N7 squads were successfully deployed as front line shock troops, elite rearguards, hostage rescues, recon, escort, sabotage, and even as an independent flanking force! This indicates that the N7 teams are the most versatile in terms of utilization. Whatever military emergency there is, N7 teams can do it victoriously by themselves. Finally during the Reaper war, the N7 were the ones called to train all other races on how to fight the Reapers in asymmetric warfare; indicating that N7 squads have very superb squad tactics. 

 

Advantage: Versatility. Squad tactics so good that other races asked them for training on how to fight Reapers.

Notable Members: David Anderson, Kai Leng, James Vega, Commander Shepard

 

Asari Commandos

 

Asari Commandos are the elite of the Asari military. Think about it; they are the elite biotics among a race which ranks number 1 in biotics. So safe to say, Asari Commandos will have the advantage in biotics. They usually fight in small groups using guerrilla tactics and are equal in duels to Krogan Battlemasters. Finally, the Asari Republics do not have the numbers or the resources to field a powerful navy as the Turians/Krogans/Rachni; so literally they have relied on Asari Commandos to keep their foes at bay. Again I'll repeat, Asari Commandos are the reason why the smaller Asari military fend off larger invaders like the Krogan/Rachni.

 

Advantaged: Unmatched in biotics and individual combat. 

Notable Members: Aria T'Loak/Aleena, Shiala, Captain Enyala, Captain Wasea

 

Batarian SIU

 

The Batarian Hegemony has a special forces division known as the Special Intervention Unit. They have perhaps the most brutal training, up to 18% mortality rate. Little is known about their operations, but we do know that former SIU Batarians copied & pasted their training regime into the Blue Suns. After adopting SIU training and having many former SIU Batarians become Blue Sun leaders, the Blue Suns became the top mercenary outfit in Omega. This is the same Omega that has former Asari Commandos and Krogan Battlemasters competing against them. SIU seems to have the advantage at least in the organizational front and can scale their elite training better than all others. 

 

Advantage: Able to scale their brutal, elite training and able to organize an elite squad quicker than everyone else.

Notable Members: Tarak (speculative) 

Krogan Aralakh Company

 

Made up of the best warriors in all the Krogan clans, including Grunt. So among a race known for tough and strong warriors, these are the toughest and strongest among them. Every Aralakh warrior is the strongest, fiercest, and most experienced in his clan, in other words Krogan Battlemasters. And so we can safely assume that their tactics are like Krogan Battlemasters with additional group dynamics. And we know Battlemasters are a match for any ten soldiers of another species. Aralakh even managed to hold off a huge hoard of Rachni with only a small squad; all other races would need at least some sort of backup. Battlemasters focus on developing clean, brute-force economy of motion that exploits their brutal strength to incapacitate enemies with a swift single blow of overwhelming power. 

 

Advantage: Most durable and the strongest in a head to head fight. 

Notable Members: Grunt, Urdnot Dagg

 

Salarian STG

 

Citadel Spectres were literally modeled after the Salarian Special Tasks Group. STG operators work in independent cells performing espionage, counter-terrorism, infiltration, reconnaissance, assassination, and sabotage. In other words, they are both elite spies AND special forces; think James Bond plus Rambo. STG operators are trained to be innovative and often complete missions with shoestring resources. They can also change their tactics on the fly. 

 

Advantage: Super adaptable. Can do both intelligence and military operations. 

Notable Members: Major Kirrahae, Mordin Solus, Pado Wiks

 

 

Turian Blackwatch

 

There are rumors that Saren Arterius was part of Blackwatch before becoming a Spectre. The Blackwatch are sent on missions that threaten the safety of Palaven itself. The majority of Blackwatch's operations are classified, but we know they have the highest success rate of any Turian unit. So in a race that prides itself on military prowess and success, the Blackwatch have the highest success rate, indicating a sort of reliability that other special forces do not have. Finally, in ME3, they were sent to disarm a nuclear bomb on Tuchanka and succeeded despite heavy Cerberus and Reaper forces, again indicating reliability. 

 

Advantage: Reliability and discipline. Turians already are super reliable in their military operations. This is the cream of the crop.

Notable Members: Saren Arterius, Tarquin Victus

 

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N7 versus SIU

 

The SIU will all be carrying Batarian State Arms, which differs from Alliance weaponry. The SIU's weapons will pack a punch at the cost of reliability. The SIU, operating at its height, would be a solid force. The weapons difference won't matter much as the SIU weapons tend to overheat and run out of ammo quicker, negating their power advantage.

 

While the SIU has an edge in organizing and mustering elite units, the N7 has the edge in squad tactics as seen in the Reaper wars. N7 and the SIU have tangled before in Torfan, at least in the form of the Blue Suns. N7 came out on top, because N7 seems to be just better at ground tactics than the SIU. 

 

Winner: N7

 

Asari Commandos versus STG

 

This will be between 2 forces which prize stealth over force. Although similar in weaponry, the Asari biotics will be pitted against perhaps the best engineering gadgets in the galaxy. It is safe to say that both will even out. However, STG tends to operate on an individual as well as a squad level. And so when the two groups face off initially, any STG stragglers will get owned 1v1 against an Asari Commando.

 

Finally, although STG are trained as both spies and special forces. Covert operations like renewing the genophage and assassinating unwanted people are their specialty. As seen in Mass Effect 1, they needed N7 backup in order to sabotage Saren's Krogan base, and they suffered a lot of causalities and captured in the attempt. So all this points to Asari Commandos winning. 

 

Winner: Asari Commandos

 

Aralakh Company versus Turian Blackwatch 

 

Aralakh company will have unique frontal assault tactics with Graal and Claymore shotguns coupled with Krogan Battlemaster tactics; add group coordination to that. The Turians will have a balanced mix of engineering gadgets and long range weapons.

 

Although the Turian Blackwatch produced Spectres like Saren and they are perhaps even more reliable than anything the unstable Krogans have, the Blackwatch have never faced organized Krogan Battlemasters like Aralakh before. Indeed Aralakh Company is the first time Krogan Battlemaster tactics have been integrated into a unit. And so despite the Turian military discipline, few will be able to stand against a squad of tactical Battlemasters head to head without a significant advantage in another area; there is nothing to indicate the Blackwatch has enough superiority in biotics or technology or numbers to negate the Krogans who each are a match for 10 Turians. Finally, we saw what happened with the Blackwatch when they faced Reaper heavies. 

 

Winner: Aralakh Company

 

Aralakh Company versus Asari Commandos

 

A close match. 1 v 1, the individuals will end up drawing like Wrex versus Aleena. However in a squad battle it will come down to the Krogan preference for frontal assault and tactical melee with their shotguns and rifles versus the Asari's hit-and-run coupled with biotic attacks. A close call and can probably go either way and in all instances should be a draw. However, Grunt is in Aralakh Company. His presence alone will give  Aralakh Company the very slight edge it needs to win in a protracted engagement. 

 

Winner: Aralakh Company

 

N7 versus Aralakh Company

 

Yes I know this will be controversial; and I'll attempt to justify my conclusion as best as I can. The N7 commandos during the Reaper wars improved their squad tactics dramatically. Indeed, they were so improved that they became basically an all purpose special forces unit capable of any role imaginable. Unlike the STG which dabbles in both spycraft and special forces, N7 units are pure military special ops, which means their expertise is focused. They are able to do this because their squad tactics evolved to the point where they could be effective in any role. That is the Alliance N7's main trump card against all other special ops units.

 

Aralakh Company held their own against a horde of Rachni with just a small squad, but it was only because of Grunt that they were not wiped out. In comparison N7 units succeeded in taking down numerous Brutes and even stood against Reaper units. So what that tells me is the N7 squad will not only be more numerous, but can match Aralakh Company in tenacity. Aralakh Company's tenacity stems from their strength and skill; but N7 tenacity stems from their tactics.

 

In a 1 v 1 showdown, Aralakh Company will be facing a more numerous N7 squad. Both will have experience dealing with overwhelming odds. But only the N7 tactics have shown the level of versatility that enables them to be effective in all military situations and Aralakh Company will not be able to adapt to the plays N7 throws at them. 

 

Final Winner: Alliance N7 

 

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I decided to add in a few other races which can put up a decent fight, but are not quite in league with the most powerful races. 

 

Geth Primes

 

Geth Prime units are the largest and most powerful Geth infantry in existence. They are elite troops with combat software that boosts other Geth nearby, coordinating and directing attacks. Which means a Geth Prime squadron will augment each other, while also possessing the heaviest infantry weapons the Geth have to offer. Their weaponry includes combat drones, rockets, pulse cannons, light machine guns, and deployable turrets. Finally, they have the most shields and armor of all Geth units; indeed probably all units.

 

Advantage: Most heavily armed, armored, and shielded squadron; each individual unit boosts the combat capabilities of the others.

 

Drell Assassins

 

The Hanar employ Drell combat specialists throughout the galaxy. Trained at an extremely young age, these Drell are accomplished spies, saboteurs, and assassins. Their techniques range from superb hand to hand combat, stealth, and long ranged marksmanship. During the Reaper war, the Hanar sent teams of these Drell assassins to aid the Alliance war effort, and it is implied that Thane Krios is an accurate gauge of what each Drell assassin is capable of. Basically, few can survive a hit once these guys are sent after you. 

 

Advantage: The most well trained in stealth assassinations and unmatched hand-to-hand combat. 

Notable Members: Thane Krios

 

Quarian Migrant Fleet Marines

 

The Migrant Fleet Marines is a military body within the Quarian Migrant Fleet that is tasked with naval-infantry and police operations. In other words they are both marines and SWAT combined. They possess advanced engineering gadgets and the most advanced Quarian weaponry, for example the Reegar Carbine. Being the Migrant Fleet's special forces, the Migrant Fleet Marines are called to do the most dangerous tasks that are required. 

 

Advantage: Specialized weaponry and gadgets that are very powerful against AI. 

Notable Members: Kal'Reegar

Rachni Brood Warriors

 

Rachni Brood Warriors are the largest and strongest of all Rachni. The hive thus reserves them only in cases where the hive is in danger. The Brood Warriors are unique among Rachni in that they are also biotics as well. Thus you have a squad of biotics who are physically strong and benefit from a hive mind form of communication, which enable them to fight in a coordinated fashion. Finally they are the elder males that mate with the queen; with a population of billions, you cannot get more alpha status than that.

 

Advantage: Only race with advanced biotics coupled with actual physical strength. Hive mind coordination. 

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Geth Prime versus Rachni Brood Warriors

 

This is a battle between two squadrons which both rely on hive minds to guide them. The thing with hive minds is that the more you kill, the weaker the whole squad becomes; so whoever will draw first blood will likely be ahead. The Brood Warriors will have and advantage in numbers, being from an insect race with overwhelming population spawning. 

 

However it is shown that biotics do not fare well against armored individuals, although certain attacks like Warp do. Nevertheless, Rachni have traditionally fell prey to heavily armed and armored foes with heavy weaponry, like the Krogan. The Geth Prime essentially mirror those advantages in their heavy weaponry and armor, coupled with heavy shields. 

 

While the Rachni would have a slight advantage in numbers, the Geth also rapidly manufacture replacement units. The Geth Prime units also make up for their relative lack of numbers with the fact that each of them augments the other. Thus, the numbers factor will not mean that much and Geth Prime units are individually stronger and better armed, while resembling the Krogan Battlemasters who destroyed the Rachni. 

 

Winner: Geth Prime

 

Drell Assassins versus Quarian Migrant Fleet Marines

 

While Quarians would have the advantage in numbers and weaponry, the Migrant Fleet is not known for its military prowess. Indeed, in both Mass Effect 2 and 3, Migrant Fleet Marines, although brave, always seem to get wiped out while trying to achieve hard objectives. This is not to say they suck, but rather they are not as skilled as other special forces. Finally, the Quarian tech advantage has always been geared towards attacking the Geth. However, the marines will have better engineering gadgets. 

 

On the other hand, Drell Assassins do not have advanced weaponry or anything special. But that does not matter in this case, because their training and superb assassination skills have proven reliable time after time. If Thane Krios is an example of their capabilities as individuals, their actions as a squadron will only mean that the Drell will wipe out the Quarians, many who will not likely know what hit them. 

 

Winner: Drell Assassins

 

Drell Assassins versus Geth Primes 

 

This is a very close matchup because the Geth Primes can match the agility and dexterity of all organics via superb computing power. Head to head, it is no question that the Geth Primes will have an easy victory. The key is whether they could win if they have to stalk the Drell or be stalked by the Drell. The Geth will also have a slight advantage in numbers, as the lore implies that Drell assassins are few in number. Finally hand-to-hand, the Geth are even stronger than the Drell; good luck punching or slicing through all that shielding and armor. 

 

The fact that the Drell will be outgunned by heavier infantry with better protection, means that the only way for the Drell to win through stealth. However, the Geth are not limited by organic sight and can make use of other methods like UV/Infrared/Radar/Sound/etc. This means the Geth will better negate the Drell stealth abilities. That, coupled with the Geth's hive mind syncing of action and Geth Prime augmenting each other all point towards a Geth Prime victory, albeit likely a painful one. 

 

Final Winner of JV Bracket: Geth Primes

 

TL;DR

Alliance N7 wins for the main races

Geth Primes win for the less powerful ones

[Treacherous J Slither]

Asari commandos win against any other squad. Even the krogan.

Krogan have the advantage in durability and physical strength. In a straight up fight this advantage can lead to a win. But they're not getting a straight up fight. They're going up against the asari. A squad of ninjas with guns and the most powerful biotics in the galaxy.

Squad on squad the asari are unbeatable.

[Commander Felos]

Asari commandos win against any other squad. Even the krogan.

Krogan have the advantage in durability and physical strength. In a straight up fight this advantage can lead to a win. But they're not getting a straight up fight. They're going up against the asari. A squad of ninjas with guns and the most powerful biotics in the galaxy.

Squad on squad the asari are unbeatable.

 

They aren't unbeatable, you could easily argue that the N7 operatives would beat the Asari commandos. 

 

They have soldiers like the slayers, shadows, paladins and the fury's. If you've ever played as one, you know how ridiculously powerful they are-- they're essentially all their own Kai Leng

 

Every single N7 operative we've encountered is a formidable person look at people like Shepard and Kaidan who are skilled beyond measure and Anderson.who is a fantastic leader and managed to hold Earth against the reapers.

 

The Asari Commandos got their asses beat on several occasions. The Asari Monastery and on Noveria  Shepard even said: "I expected better from Asari Commandos!" implying that they're overrated. Shepard steamrolls Asari commandos all the time. 

 

Hell, the other races needed the n7's to train them during the reaper war

[Treacherous J Slither]

They aren't unbeatable, you could easily argue that the N7 operatives would beat the Asari commandos.

They have soldiers like the slayers, shadows, paladins and the fury's. If you've ever played as one, you know how ridiculously powerful they are-- they're essentially all their own Kai Leng

Every single N7 operative we've encountered is a formidable person look at people like Shepard and Kaidan who are skilled beyond measure and Anderson.who is a fantastic leader and managed to hold Earth against the reapers.

The Asari Commandos got their asses beat on several occasions. The Asari Monastery and on Noveria Shepard even said: "I expected better from Asari Commandos!" implying that they're overrated. Shepard steamrolls Asari commandos all the time.

Hell, the other races needed the n7's to train them during the reaper war

Hold on now. Let's use our brains for a moment.

The more you do something the better you get at it am I right?

Asari commandos have centuries of combat experience. Centuries.

N7 commandos have mere decades. They don't stand a chance.

Not only that but the asari can do everything the humans can do and more. Human biotics are nothing compared to asari biotics.

Those fancy N7 characters from the multiplayer don't even exist in the lore of the game. Many of them use Cerberus tech which the Alliance doesn't use. Those characters merely exist so that the player can tool around with a playable Kai Lame and Phantoms.

The idea of the other races coming to the galactic noobs for anything is laughable to me and anyone with sense. No offense intended.

[UpUpAway95]

Hold on now. Let's use our brains for a moment.

The more you do something the better you get at it am I right?

Asari commandos have centuries of combat experience. Centuries.

N7 commandos have mere decades. They don't stand a chance.

Not only that but the asari can do everything the humans can do and more. Human biotics are nothing compared to asari biotics.

Those fancy N7 characters from the multiplayer don't even exist in the lore of the game. Many of them use Cerberus tech which the Alliance doesn't use. Those characters merely exist so that the player can tool around with a playable Kai Lame and Phantoms.

The idea of the other races coming to the galactic noobs for anything is laughable to me and anyone with sense.

 

However, Shepard is very quick to point out to a trash talking T'Suza (Citadel DLC) that for all their centuries of XP, "Have the Asari ever won a war?"

[Treacherous J Slither]

However, Shepard is very quick to point out to a trash talking T'Suza (Citadel DLC) that for all their centuries of XP, "Have the Asari ever won a war?"

Has any race won a war?

[Commander Felos]

Hold on now. Let's use our brains for a moment.

The more you do something the better you get at it am I right?

Asari commandos have centuries of combat experience. Centuries.

N7 commandos have mere decades. They don't stand a chance.

Not only that but the asari can do everything the humans can do and more. Human biotics are nothing compared to asari biotics.

Those fancy N7 characters from the multiplayer don't even exist in the lore of the game. Many of them use Cerberus tech which the Alliance doesn't use. Those characters merely exist so that the player can tool around with a playable Kai Lame and Phantoms.

The idea of the other races coming to the galactic noobs for anything is laughable to me and anyone with sense. No offense intended.

 

Time  doesn't necessarily equal combat proficiency. Humans in the lore has more genetic diversity than the Asari, normal humans are extremely intelligent, adaptable and ambitious.  This means that they probably advance trough their training much faster than the Asari and their technology advances way faster in new creative ways. The humans invented the fighter carriers and stealth technology.   

 

Since their humans are already quite well off biologically and if you also consider their genetic diversity-- their finest specimens, the N7's are even more genetically superior compared than the best of the other species.  I mean, look at Shepard! 

 

Humans can also be argued to have better combat experience. The Asari sit in their territory doing jack sheit, the humans have fought in a multitude of wars over the years. The first contact war for example. The Asari culture is simply not militant enough.

 

 

Humans are genetically, culturally and technologically superior than the Asari in war. The Asari are rudimentary creatures of eezo and bones.  

[UpUpAway95]

Has any race won a war?

 

Ah... that's one of the real questions posed by Mass Effect (IMO) - not answered, but posed.  Peace is such a fragile thing isn't it?

[Treacherous J Slither]

Time doesn't necessarily equal combat proficiency. Humans in the lore has more genetic diversity than the Asari, normal humans are extremely intelligent, adaptable and ambitious. This means that they probably advance trough their training much faster than the Asari and their technology advances way faster in new creative ways. The humans invented the fighter carriers and stealth technology.

Since their humans are already quite well off biologically and if you also consider their genetic diversity-- their finest specimens, the N7's are even more genetically superior compared than the best of the other species. I mean, look at Shepard!

Humans can also be argued have better combat experience. The Asari sit in their territory doing jack ****, the humans have fought in a multitude of wars over the years. The first contact war for example. The Asari culture is simply not militant enough.


Humans are genetically, culturally and technologically superior than the Asari in war. The Asari are rudimentary creatures of eezo and bones.

You're a talented comedian. Truly talented. I laughed. A lot.

All your talk of human genetic superiority amounts to nothing. Humans possess no innate abilities superior to the asari. Asari are superior to humans in every conceivable way.

Shepherd is a TRANSHUMAN CYBORG composed of the most cutting-edge technology in the galaxy. Few are her equal. She is not representative of human ability.

The turians would have wiped the floor with us if the war had continued.

What wars have humans won? Please tell me. I'm all ears.

This series is focused on humanity. The other races are treated as little more than background flavor. Small wonder then that you hardly see any of them doing anything.

[Commander Felos]

You're a talented comedian. Truly talented. I laughed. A lot.

All your talk of human genetic superiority amounts to nothing. Humans possess no innate abilities superior to the asari. Asari are superior to humans in every conceivable way.

Shepherd is a TRANSHUMAN CYBORG composed of the most cutting-edge technology in the galaxy. Few are her equal. She is not representative of human ability.

The turians would have wiped the floor with us if the war had continued.

What wars have humans won? Please tell me. I'm all ears.

This series is focused on humanity. The other races are treated as little more than background flavor. Small wonder then that you hardly see any of them doing anything.

 

Can't you be civilized? Implying sarcasm to another's arguments is primitive and childish.

 

Humans don't have to have a specific unique ability to be genetically superior to the Asari. Humans are stated to have more genetic diversity, that's a fact. Check Mordin's loyalty mission in the second game.  Also, according to the wiki humans are indeed viewed as very smart, adaptive and ambitious. Check the human page under the subsection culture.

 

Shepard doesn't have to be representative of human ability, just N7.  They are the best of the best Humans. Kaidan is almost as good in a fight as Shepard--  Anderson is almost as good a leader as Shepard. Hell, the N7 classes in multiplayer seems to be pretty close to Shepard's power level.. 

 

Moreover, I don't really see the relevance of the first contact war in that context. I don't contest that the turians would have won the first contact war,  but i question it's relevance. that was literally when the humans has just discovered the mass relays. Thanks to their ambition, intelligence and adaptivity they've reached a significant technological level.   In the last reply i mentioned both fighter carriers and stealth technology. Aswell as the various N7 classes in the multiplayer.  

 

The only relevance of the first contact war is the combat experience. Humans fought, Asari played Kepsesh Yakshi.   

 

 And, when i said that the humans are as strong as the turians. obviously i meant physical strength, not military strength in the first contact war.  That's too is available on the wiki.

 

What wars have the humans won?  let me flip that argument; What wars have the Asari won? As Shepard put it, "Earth was taken by surprise. But Thessia, you had all the warning in the world-- but the reapers just rolled in."   The humans saved the council races asses during sovereign's attack on the citadel, the humans made significant contributions contributions during the reaper war.   That humans at all managed to stand up to the Turians during the first contact war should be proof of their genetic superiority alone,  considering they had just discovered the relays. 

 

And really, Asari are superior to Humans in every single way? You're telling me that Liara would beat Kaidan in arm wrestling? At best, she'd beat Joker.   You're telling me Samara is better at phasing trough walls than the slayer?  Debunked.

 

 

Can't you instead of waving your arms around with your superiority complex instead present any valid counter arguments? 

[Treacherous J Slither]

Also, time and experience matter a great deal.

Whatever it is that you're good at, compare your skill from when you first started to now.
Have you improved? If so, how much?

[Commander Felos]

Also, time and experience matter a great deal.

Whatever it is that you're good at, compare your skill from when you first started to now.
Have you improved? If so, how much?

 

I'm not saying time and experience doesn't matter. But if you actually read my replies properly i've already addressed both of them.  The Asari just sit around playing Kepesh Yahkshi whilst the humans fought in the first contact war and they fought against the Geth, Saren and Sovereign.     

 

Let me change that analogy.  Pit someone who's  read a lot of books about chess for tens of years against someone who's played chess for a couple of years but also is smarter.  in addition, the guy who played chess for a couple of years also has more powerful chess pieces  Who'd win?

 

But can you please provide any valid counterarguments, instead of just ignoring my arguments and changing direction? I've provided several paragraphs of why the humans are superior. Do you concede that i'm right, or do you have any facts which actually contradict my statements?

[UpUpAway95]

@ Treacherous J Slither and Commander Felos - Please, stay civil... both of you.  I think the OP has set up a very valid question... one that is posed by the game... but also specifically not fully answered by the game.  I believe the various individual races in ME were set to up reflect one part each of human character that has been, historically, thought to be both a strength in war and a weakness in war.  It somewhat boils down to whether or having a combination of all the traits is, in an of itself, a strength or a weakness.

[Commander Felos]

@ Treacherous J Slither and Commander Felos - Please, stay civil... both of you.  I think the OP has set up a very valid question... one that is posed by the game... but also specifically not fully answered by the game.  I believe the various individual races in ME were set to up reflect one part each of human character that has been, historically, thought to be both a strength in war and a weakness in war.  It somewhat boils down to whether or having a combination of all the traits is, in an of itself, a strength or a weakness.

 

I think that the thing about the individual races being set up to reflect human historical straits is interesting. With  the Salarians representing  both the dangers and benefits of science . Whilst the Krogan are meant to represent our tribal nature-- our inherent sense of survival of the fittest, our inherent strength, brutality-- and the fruits and consequences of such.   

 

I agree, we need to stick to the topic! But, i think i've stayed civil the entire time.  I've responded fairly calmly to Treacherous's rhetoric and  I've actually presented various arguments which supports the conclusion at the top and i've thoroughly gone trough both their technological strength and genetic strengths-- and i've proved examples of both.  But i concur, let's stick to the topic, and not make the thread about civility. 

 

Which special forces do you think would win in a fight?  Do you agree with my arguments and the arguments of the op, or do you think another set of special forces would win?  

[UpUpAway95]

I agree, we need to stick to the topic. But i think i've stayed civil the entire time.  I've supported the OP's conclusion and i've  gone trough both technology and genetics and proved examples of both 

 

I'm not meaning to slam either one of you... just please keep it civil so this topic doesn't "go south" like so many others here on BSN....  I'm finding this one very interesting (and not in the popcorn meme sense).

[Treacherous J Slither]

Can't you be civilized? Implying sarcasm to another's arguments is primitive and childish.

Humans don't have to have a specific unique ability to be genetically superior to the Asari. Humans are stated to have more genetic diversity, that's a fact. Check Mordin's loyalty mission in the second game. Also, according to the wiki humans are indeed viewed as very smart, adaptive and ambitious. Check the human page under the subsection culture.

Shepard doesn't have to be representative of human ability, just N7. They are the best of the best Humans. Kaidan is almost as good in a fight as Shepard-- Anderson is almost as good a leader as Shepard. Hell, the N7 classes in multiplayer seems to be pretty close to Shepard's power level..

Moreover, I don't really see the relevance of the first contact war in that context. I don't contest that the turians would have won the first contact war, but i question it's relevance. that was literally when the humans has just discovered the mass relays. Thanks to their ambition, intelligence and adaptivity they've reached a significant technological level. In the last reply i mentioned both fighter carriers and stealth technology. Aswell as the various N7 classes in the multiplayer.

The only relevance of the first contact war is the combat experience. Humans fought, Asari played Kepsesh Yakshi.

And, when i said that the humans are as strong as the turians. obviously i meant physical strength, not military strength in the first contact war. That's too is available on the wiki.

What wars have the humans won? let me flip that argument; What wars have the Asari won? As Shepard put it, "Earth was taken by surprise. But Thessia, you had all the warning in the world-- but the reapers just rolled in." The humans saved the council races asses during sovereign's attack on the citadel, the humans made significant contributions contributions during the reaper war. That humans at all managed to stand up to the Turians during the first contact war should be proof of their genetic superiority alone, considering they had just discovered the relays.

And really, Asari are superior to Humans in every single way? You're telling me that Liara would beat Kaidan in arm wrestling? At best, she'd beat Joker. You're telling me Samara is better at phasing trough walls than the slayer? Debunked.


Can't you instead of waving your arms around with your superiority complex instead present any valid counter arguments?

More genetic diversity. What does that amount to exactly? What good is that in a fight? Please clue me in.

Pre cyborg Shepherd was pretty good but not comparable her asari equivalent. Centuries of experience and immense biotic power make a huge difference in combat ability. I fail to see how an N7 squad can overcome that.

We don't know of every fight that the asari commandos have or of any race other than ours. Just because we don't hear of some huge war doesn't mean that the asari and the other races don't get into anything. The galaxy is a big place.

We invented fighter carriers? So before we showed up nobody had a way to transport fighter jets? Really?

We invented stealth technology? So before we showed up nobody thought that it would be a good idea to make certain things undetectable? Really?

Does that make sense to you? Does that seriously make sense to you? Galactic civilization existed for thousands of years before we showed up yet in all that time nobody thought this stuff up? Really? Come on now man. You've got to admit that that's a little ridiculous.

The Reapers beat the poo out of everybody. There's no way to prepare for such a beat down.

We didn't save anything all on our lonesome. We had help from members of other races and we wouldn't have been able to accomplish anything without them.

Liara is a scientist. Not a soldier. I think Samara could beat Kaidan at arm wrestling though.

That wall phase nonsense is Cerberus tech reverse engineered from Reaper tech. The Alliance shouldn't have their hands on it. It makes no sense. A lot of lore breaking nonsense happens in multiplayer and I don't think it's wise to take too much from it.

Why do you believe that I have a superiority complex? I'm just as inferior to the asari as you are.

[Treacherous J Slither]

I'm not saying time and experience doesn't matter. But if you actually read my replies properly i've already addressed both of them. The Asari just sit around playing Kepesh Yahkshi whilst the humans fought in the first contact war and they fought against the Geth, Saren and Sovereign.

Let me change that analogy. Pit someone who's read a lot of books about chess for tens of years against someone who's played chess for a couple of years but also is smarter. in addition, the guy who played chess for a couple of years also has more powerful chess pieces Who'd win?

But can you please provide any valid counterarguments, instead of just ignoring my arguments and changing direction? I've provided several paragraphs of why the humans are superior. Do you concede that i'm right, or do you have any facts which actually contradict my statements?

My money is on the smarter guy. He has more experience and better pieces. And he's smarter.

So he was supposed to be the asari right?

[Commander Felos]

More genetic diversity. What does that amount to exactly? What good is that in a fight? Please clue me in.

Pre cyborg Shepherd was pretty good but not comparable her asari equivalent. Centuries of experience and immense biotic power make a huge difference in combat ability. I fail to see how an N7 squad can overcome that.

We don't know of every fight that the asari commandos have or of any race other than ours. Just because we don't hear of some huge war doesn't mean that the asari and the other races don't get into anything. The galaxy is a big place.

We invented fighter carriers? So before we showed up nobody had a way to transport fighter jets? Really?

We invented stealth technology? So before we showed up nobody thought that it would be a good idea to make certain things undetectable? Really?

Does that make sense to you? Does that seriously make sense to you? Galactic civilization existed for thousands of years before we showed up yet in all that time nobody thought this stuff up? Really? Come on now man. You've got to admit that that's a little ridiculous.

The Reapers beat the poo out of everybody. There's no way to prepare for such a beat down.

We didn't save anything all on our lonesome. We had help from members of other races and we wouldn't have been able to accomplish anything without them.

Liara is a scientist. Not a soldier. I think Samara could beat Kaidan at arm wrestling though.

That wall phase nonsense is Cerberus tech reverse engineered from Reaper tech. The Alliance shouldn't have their hands on it. It makes no sense. A lot of lore breaking nonsense happens in multiplayer and I don't think it's wise to take too much from it.

Why do you believe that I have a superiority complex? I'm just as inferior to the asari as you are.

 

Thanks for the response! Now we can have a nice and healthy debate. 

 

More genetic diversity means that genetic quality has a bigger range in Humans than other races. Essentially the weakest specimens of humans are inferior to the weakest specimens of the other races whilst as a counterpoint the strongest humans are superior to the strongest of the other species. And since this isn't about which race would win in a fight. But rather a fight between their special forces. Due to this being the strongest versus the strongest, the humans are at an advantage.  Whilst i concur that the average Asari would kick a typical human's ass, this is between the finest specimens of their race.

 

If you look at Noveria you can see a nice example of how easily pre-lazarus Shepard dealt with Asari Commandos,  And then he was just essentially a N7 operative with combat experience from the Skylian Blitz-- which actually is a war the Humans won. There is also no indication that Asari are inherently more powerful biotics, just that it's more integrated and widespread in their culture.  

 

 

War and amazing feats tends to be quite a common conversational topic. You'd think that if the Asari commandos did something very impressive, we'd hear about it. Notice how much we hear about the Skylian blitz, we haven't even heard about something as small as that about the Asari. I believe because it's that they rely on diplomacy and alliances to protect themselves rather than military. Their culture is simply not militant.

 

As for fighter carriers and stealth technology, check out the renegade interview with Khalisah Al-Jilani and the renegade inspection with Rear Admiral Mikaiovich. It may not make sense, but both are explicitly stated by Shepard.

 

The point about not being able to prepare for the reapers, you might be right about. But they could've atleast done something. Mines at the mass relay, mobilized forces, set up cannons and properly diverted the civilian population. But it might not be relevant anyhow, it's about special forces-- not armies. I shouldn't have brought that up.

 

I disagree with your statement of the Humans not saving everyone.  The humans arriving at the citadel in the first game is treated as changing the tide of battle, the humans building the citadel showed initiative the other races lacked. 

 

 

Liara just being a scientist doesn't really make sense though. She served aboard the Normandy just about as much as Kaidan.  She potentially fought just about as much as him.The only difference being that is that he supplements biotics with technology and guns whilst she relies on biotics and that she's not officially in any military. Asari have zero impressive feats of physical strength, zero. Humans have some feats of strength. 

 

Even if you use the evolutionary perspective,  it still leans in the favor of humans being physically stronger.  Since Asari are naturally biotic, developing additional physical strength would be redundant.  They have biotics to fend off predators and hunt prey.  Developing more strength would simply not be worth having to eat more food when you already have biotics.  We humans in real life, aren't as strong as a bear due to the fact that our brain requires a lot of energy and allows us to create weapons to defend ourselves. More physical strength would be redundant. The Asari however, has both brains and biotics, so they would logically be even weaker than us humans.  

 

The wall phase isn't necessarily nonsense. If it was only mentioned in multiplayer maybe, but  there's ambient dialogue in the silversun strip which actually talks about both the Fury and the Slayer-- even phasing trough walls is referenced. Maybe they shouldn't have their hands on such technology, but they do. No changing that.

 

The smarter guy was obviously supposed to be the Human. The analogy representing that the guy who read lots of books had studied chess for longer than the guy who only played chess for a couple of years still doesn't have more real experience than the guy who played for a couple of years. As for humans being smarter, there are really no mentions of the Asari ever inventing anything, mostly resting on their laurels and relying on the Salarians Indicating less intelligence than other races.

 

Sorry for the long reply.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Thanks for the response! Now we can have a nice and healthy debate.

More genetic diversity means that genetic quality has a bigger range in Humans than other races. Essentially the weakest specimens of humans are inferior to the weakest specimens of the other races whilst as a counterpoint the strongest humans are superior to the strongest of the other species. And since this isn't about which race would win in a fight. But rather a fight between their special forces. Due to this being the strongest versus the strongest, the humans are at an advantage. Whilst i concur that the average Asari would kick a typical human's ass, this is between the finest specimens of their race.

If you look at Noveria you can see a nice example of how easily pre-lazarus Shepard dealt with Asari Commandos, And then he was just essentially a N7 operative with combat experience from the Skylian Blitz-- which actually is a war the Humans won. There is also no indication that Asari are inherently more powerful biotics, just that it's more integrated and widespread in their culture.


War and amazing feats tends to be quite a common conversational topic. You'd think that if the Asari commandos did something very impressive, we'd hear about it. Notice how much we hear about the Skylian blitz, we haven't even heard about something as small as that about the Asari. I believe because it's that they rely on diplomacy and alliances to protect themselves rather than military. Their culture is simply not militant.

As for fighter carriers and stealth technology, check out the renegade interview with Khalisah Al-Jilani and the renegade inspection with Rear Admiral Mikaiovich. It may not make sense, but both are explicitly stated by Shepard.

The point about not being able to prepare for the reapers, you might be right about. But they could've atleast done something. Mines at the mass relay, mobilized forces, set up cannons and properly diverted the civilian population. But it might not be relevant anyhow, it's about special forces-- not armies. I shouldn't have brought that up.

I disagree with your statement of the Humans not saving everyone. The humans arriving at the citadel in the first game is treated as changing the tide of battle, the humans building the citadel showed initiative the other races lacked.


Liara just being a scientist doesn't really make sense though. She served aboard the Normandy just about as much as Kaidan. She potentially fought just about as much as him.The only difference being that is that he supplements biotics with technology and guns whilst she relies on biotics and that she's not officially in any military. Asari have zero impressive feats of physical strength, zero. Humans have some feats of strength.

Even if you use the evolutionary perspective, it still leans in the favor of humans being physically stronger. Since Asari are naturally biotic, developing additional physical strength would be redundant. They have biotics to fend off predators and hunt prey. Developing more strength would simply not be worth having to eat more food when you already have biotics. We humans in real life, aren't as strong as a bear due to the fact that our brain requires a lot of energy and allows us to create weapons to defend ourselves. More physical strength would be redundant. The Asari however, has both brains and biotics, so they would logically be even weaker than us humans.

The wall phase isn't necessarily nonsense. If it was only mentioned in multiplayer maybe, but there's ambient dialogue in the silversun strip which actually talks about both the Fury and the Slayer-- even phasing trough walls is referenced. Maybe they shouldn't have their hands on such technology, but they do. No changing that.

The smarter guy was obviously supposed to be the Human. The analogy representing that the guy who read lots of books had studied chess for longer than the guy who only played chess for a couple of years still doesn't have more real experience than the guy who played for a couple of years. As for humans being smarter, there are really no mentions of the Asari ever inventing anything, mostly resting on their laurels and relying on the Salarians Indicating less intelligence than other races.

Sorry for the long reply.

Thessia has heavier gravity than Earth. This would make asari physically sturdier than us. Many lifeforms on Thessia have biotic abilities. Not just the asari. They have to work for their meals like we do. Biotics are simply an extra option that some life on Thessia have. Having more options means having more potential. Not less. Having powerful biotics doesn't mean that you neglect your physical ability. Someone interested in maximizing their abilities would attempt to gain as much power as they can in every category available to them.

What feats of strength have we shown in the series? The only thing I can think of is when Shepherd put the paws on the yahg Shadow Broker which doesn't count as a human strength feat because Shepherd is a transhuman cyborg.

Who doesn't Shepherd stomp? She stomps any and all who get put before her because she is the almighty player character. Her wins have nothing to do with being human. If there is ever a Mass Effect game in which the player character can be a different race then that character will also be capable of Shepherd level feats.

Throughout the series we're told and shown that asari biotics are unmatched. Biotic displays by asari characters are far more impressive than that of any other race.

We hardly hear about anything not related to us. With all the various planets and systems under the control of these various races I find it hard to believe that absolutely nothing ever happens. I'm sure they have their own stuff to deal with like rogue governments, terrorist organizations, crime syndicates etc. Many things that can warrant the deployment of commandos that we just don't hear about because it's not part of the plot of the game. If a Skylian Blitz level event happened in asari space between asari factions do you think we would hear about it? Unless the player character is involved somehow I highly doubt it. If a tree falls in the forest and no one knows, did it still happen? If I wrote and created a fictional world very much like the one we're living in now and throughout the story I never showed evidence of something like spousal abuse, is it reasonable to assume that spousal abuse doesn't happen?

At one point Shepherd stated that asari needed other species to reproduce. So what does she know? Not much apparently. Maybe she's wrong about the carriers and stealth too.

In the first Mass Effect game what could Shepherd have accomplished without the aid of Liara, Tali, Wrex, Garrus, and any other non human she received some form of aid from? At no point in the series do we do anything big like save the Citadel, defeat the Collectors, or defeat the Reapers without the aid of aliens. I think it's wrong to chalk these achievements up as solely human achievements when we didn't actually do any of this without the aid of non humans. We didn't repair the Citadel all by ourselves either.

[Cyberpunk]

Updated with pictures and corrected some minor facts (did more digging).

 

I'm going to post an update on the Junior Varsity bracket soon. 

[Cyberpunk]

Thanks for all the comments. I decided to add in a few other races which can put up a decent fight, but are not quite in league with the most powerful races. 

 

Geth Primes

 

Geth Prime units are the largest and most powerful Geth infantry in existence. They are elite troops with combat software that boosts other Geth nearby, coordinating and directing attacks. Which means a Geth Prime squadron will augment each other, while also possessing the heaviest infantry weapons the Geth have to offer.  Their weaponry includes combat drones, rockets, pulse cannons, light machine guns, and deployable turrets. Finally, they have the most shields and armor of all Geth units; indeed probably all units.

 

Advantage: Most heavily armed, armored, and shielded squadron; each individual unit boosts the combat capabilities of the others.

 

Drell Assassins

 

The Hanar employ Drell combat specialists throughout the galaxy. Trained at an extremely young age, these Drell are accomplished spies, saboteurs, and assassins. Their techniques range from superb hand to hand combat, stealth, and long ranged marksmanship. During the Reaper war, the Hanar sent teams of these Drell assassins to aid the Alliance war effort, and it is implied that Thane Krios is an accurate gauge of what each Drell assassin is capable of. Basically, few can survive a hit once these guys are sent after you. 

 

Advantage: The most well trained in stealth assassinations and unmatched hand-to-hand combat. 

 

Quarian Migrant Fleet Marines

 

The Migrant Fleet Marines is a military body within the Quarian Migrant Fleet that is tasked with naval-infantry and police operations. In other words they are both marines and SWAT combined. They possess advanced engineering gadgets and the most advanced Quarian weaponry, for example the Reegar Carbine. Being the Migrant Fleet's special forces, the Migrant Fleet Marines are called to do the most dangerous tasks that are required. 

 

Advantage: Specialized weaponry and gadgets that are very powerful against AI. 

 

Rachni Brood Warriors

 

Rachni Brood Warriors are the largest and strongest of all Rachni. The hive thus reserves them only in cases where the hive is in danger. The Brood Warriors are unique among Rachni in that they are also biotics as well. Thus you have a squad of biotics who are physically strong and benefit from a hive mind form of communication, which enable them to fight in a coordinated fashion. Finally they are the elder males that mate with the queen; with a population of billions, you cannot get more alpha status than that.

 

Advantage: Only race with advanced biotics coupled with actual physical strength. Hive mind coordination. 

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Geth Prime versus Rachni Brood Warriors

 

This is a battle between two squadrons which both rely on hive minds to guide them. The thing with hive minds is that the more you kill, the weaker the whole squad becomes; so whoever will draw first blood will likely be ahead. The Brood Warriors will have and advantage in numbers, being from an insect race with overwhelming population spawning. 

 

However it is shown that biotics do not fare well against armored individuals, although certain attacks like Warp do. Nevertheless, Rachni have traditionally fell prey to heavily armed and armored foes with heavy weaponry, like the Krogan. The Geth Prime essentially mirror those advantages in their heavy weaponry and armor, coupled with heavy shields.

 

While the Rachni would have a slight advantage in numbers, the Geth also rapidly manufacture replacement units. The Geth Prime units also make up for their relative lack of numbers with the fact that each of them augments the other. Thus, the numbers factor will not mean that much and Geth Prime units are individually stronger and better armed, while resembling the Krogan Battlemasters who destroyed the Rachni. 

 

Winner: Geth Prime

 

Drell Assassins versus Quarian Migrant Fleet Marines

 

While Quarians would have the advantage in numbers and weaponry, the Migrant Fleet is not known for its military prowess. Indeed, in both Mass Effect 2 and 3, Migrant Fleet Marines, although brave, always seem to get wiped out while trying to achieve hard objectives. This is not to say they suck, but rather they are not as skilled as other special forces. Finally, the Quarian tech advantage has always been geared towards attacking the Geth. However, the marines will have better engineering gadgets. 

 

On the other hand, Drell Assassins do not have advanced weaponry or anything special. But that does not matter in this case, because their training and superb assassination skills have proven reliable time after time. If Thane Krios is an example of their capabilities as individuals, their actions as a squadron will only mean that the Drell will wipe out the Quarians, many who will not likely know what hit them. 

 

Winner: Drell Assassins

 

Drell Assassins versus Geth Primes 

 

This is a very close matchup because the Geth Primes can match the agility and dexterity of all organics via superb computing power. Head to head, it is no question that the Geth Primes will have an easy victory. The key is whether they could win if they have to stalk the Drell or be stalked by the Drell. The Geth will also have a slight advantage in numbers, as the lore implies that Drell assassins are few in number. Finally hand-to-hand, the Geth are even stronger than the Drell; good luck punching or slicing through all that shielding and armor. 

 

The fact that the Drell will be outgunned by heavier infantry with better protection, means that the only way for the Drell to win through stealth. However, the Geth are not limited by organic sight and can make use of other methods like UV/Infrared/Radar/Sound/etc. This means the Geth will better negate the Drell stealth abilities. That, coupled with the Geth's hive mind syncing of action and Geth Prime augmenting each other all point towards a Geth Prime victory, albeit likely a painful one. 

 

Final Winner: Geth Prime

[bunch1]

Are we talking game mechanics or lore here?  Because I've never been a big multiplayer fan so I can't speak to that.  But lore wise Asari commandos have to be the winner.  They are acknowledged as being the best individual warriors in the galaxy.  Sure, your 1 offs like Shepard or Saren may be able to beat a commando or two but  normal special forces don't stand a chance against the Asari.

 

From the wiki regarding the codex entry on the Asari Military Doctrine:

 

The asari military resembles a collection of tribal warrior bands with no national structure. Each community organizes its own unit as the locals see fit, and elect a leader to command them. Units from populous cities are large and well-equipped, while those from farm villages may only be a few women with small arms. There is no uniform; everyone wears what they like. The asari military is not an irregular militia, however; those who serve are full-time professionals.

The average asari huntress is in the maiden stage of her life and has devoted 20–30 years to studying the martial arts. Asari choose to be warriors at a young age, and their education from that point is dedicated to sharpening the mind and body for that sole purpose. When they retire, they possess an alarming proficiency for killing.

Huntresses fight individually or in pairs, depending on the tactics preferred in their town. One-on-one, a huntress is practically unbeatable, possessing profound tactical insight, a hunter's eye, and a dancer's grace and alacrity. Biotics are common enough that some capability is a requirement to be trained as a huntress; lack of biotic talent excludes a young asari from military service.

While fluid and mobile, asari can't stand up in a firestorm the way a krogan, turian, or human could. Since their units are small and typically lack heavy armor and support weapons, they are almost incapable of fighting a conventional war, particularly one of a defensive nature. So asari units typically undertake special operations missions. Like an army of ninja, they are adept at ambush, infiltration, and assassination, demoralizing and defeating their enemies through intense, focused guerrilla strikes.

As a popular turian saying puts it, "The asari are the finest warriors in the galaxy. Fortunately, there are not many of them."

 

The famed weakness of the Asari being unable to take the punishment like humans or turians doesn't have to do with their physical limits but the size of their units and equipment they use.

 

Mass Effect 3 War Assets:

Asari Commando's:

 

Asari Commandos train from an early age to control their minds and bodies, seeking the ultimate economy of thought and movement. They are taught that each shot and each decision be made without hesitation. While exact training methods vary among teams, all commandos are consummate professionals. Their ambushes, quick strikes, and clever tactics have bested larger, well-armed units in thousands of recorded conflicts.

 

Serrice Guard:

 

The Serrice Guard set out to stop Blood Pack mercenaries attempting to enslave asari colonies in the Terminus Systems. After a ship-to-ship fight, the commandos and mercs crash-landed. With no means to contact Thessia, the surviving asari continued to engage the grounded Blood Pack, whittling down the frustrated slavers with traps, ambushes, and nighttime offensives. After nine days and more than 100 casualties, the Blood Pack surrendered. And the mercenaries were astonished to learn they had only been battling five asari commandos. Although the Guard downplayed their heroics, they became instant celebrities upon their return to Thessia.

 

And of course we have Wrex's tail of the Asari that got away.  No matter how hard he tried he couldn't kill her.  Tear apart a space station and kill loads of mercs and pirates, yes.  Aleena, no.  Not even a krogan battle-master, the best the krogan have with centuries of experience and biotic abilities, could beat an asari 1 on 1.

 

Any fight between special forces is going to be done with small unit tactics and that is what the Asari excel at.  Sure the krogan horde could drown them in bodies and the reapers forced them to stand and fight in a way they hated but that's not what were talking about here.  As far as special forces go Asari commandos are simple the best in the game universe.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Are we talking game mechanics or lore here? Because I've never been a big multiplayer fan so I can't speak to that. But lore wise Asari commandos have to be the winner. They are acknowledged as being the best individual warriors in the galaxy. Sure, your 1 offs like Shepard or Saren may be able to beat a commando or two but normal special forces don't stand a chance against the Asari.

From the wiki regarding the codex entry on the Asari Military Doctrine:

The asari military resembles a collection of tribal warrior bands with no national structure. Each community organizes its own unit as the locals see fit, and elect a leader to command them. Units from populous cities are large and well-equipped, while those from farm villages may only be a few women with small arms. There is no uniform; everyone wears what they like. The asari military is not an irregular militia, however; those who serve are full-time professionals.
The average asari huntress is in the maiden stage of her life and has devoted 20–30 years to studying the martial arts. Asari choose to be warriors at a young age, and their education from that point is dedicated to sharpening the mind and body for that sole purpose. When they retire, they possess an alarming proficiency for killing.
Huntresses fight individually or in pairs, depending on the tactics preferred in their town. One-on-one, a huntress is practically unbeatable, possessing profound tactical insight, a hunter's eye, and a dancer's grace and alacrity. Biotics are common enough that some capability is a requirement to be trained as a huntress; lack of biotic talent excludes a young asari from military service.
While fluid and mobile, asari can't stand up in a firestorm the way a krogan, turian, or human could. Since their units are small and typically lack heavy armor and support weapons, they are almost incapable of fighting a conventional war, particularly one of a defensive nature. So asari units typically undertake special operations missions. Like an army of ninja, they are adept at ambush, infiltration, and assassination, demoralizing and defeating their enemies through intense, focused guerrilla strikes.
As a popular turian saying puts it, "The asari are the finest warriors in the galaxy. Fortunately, there are not many of them."

The famed weakness of the Asari being unable to take the punishment like humans or turians doesn't have to do with their physical limits but the size of their units and equipment they use.

Mass Effect 3 War Assets:
Asari Commando's:

Asari Commandos train from an early age to control their minds and bodies, seeking the ultimate economy of thought and movement. They are taught that each shot and each decision be made without hesitation. While exact training methods vary among teams, all commandos are consummate professionals. Their ambushes, quick strikes, and clever tactics have bested larger, well-armed units in thousands of recorded conflicts.

Serrice Guard:

The Serrice Guard set out to stop Blood Pack mercenaries attempting to enslave asari colonies in the Terminus Systems. After a ship-to-ship fight, the commandos and mercs crash-landed. With no means to contact Thessia, the surviving asari continued to engage the grounded Blood Pack, whittling down the frustrated slavers with traps, ambushes, and nighttime offensives. After nine days and more than 100 casualties, the Blood Pack surrendered. And the mercenaries were astonished to learn they had only been battling five asari commandos. Although the Guard downplayed their heroics, they became instant celebrities upon their return to Thessia.

And of course we have Wrex's tail of the Asari that got away. No matter how hard he tried he couldn't kill her. Tear apart a space station and kill loads of mercs and pirates, yes. Aleena, no. Not even a krogan battle-master, the best the krogan have with centuries of experience and biotic abilities, could beat an asari 1 on 1.

Any fight between special forces is going to be done with small unit tactics and that is what the Asari excel at. Sure the krogan horde could drown them in bodies and the reapers forced them to stand and fight in a way they hated but that's not what were talking about here. As far as special forces go Asari commandos are simple the best in the game universe.

#AsariMasterRace
#BowBeforeYourBioticGoddesses
#WorshipTheBlueDivinity

[iM3GTR]

I think we can discount the MP from proper canon, as fun and creative as the characters are, due to the teleportation and going through walls. Also the fact that an average Vorcha can fight just as well as, if not better than Commander frikkin' Shepard.

[Cyberpunk]

Are we talking game mechanics or lore here?  Because I've never been a big multiplayer fan so I can't speak to that.  But lore wise Asari commandos have to be the winner.  They are acknowledged as being the best individual warriors in the galaxy.  Sure, your 1 offs like Shepard or Saren may be able to beat a commando or two but  normal special forces don't stand a chance against the Asari.

 

From the wiki regarding the codex entry on the Asari Military Doctrine:

 

The asari military resembles a collection of tribal warrior bands with no national structure. Each community organizes its own unit as the locals see fit, and elect a leader to command them. Units from populous cities are large and well-equipped, while those from farm villages may only be a few women with small arms. There is no uniform; everyone wears what they like. The asari military is not an irregular militia, however; those who serve are full-time professionals.

The average asari huntress is in the maiden stage of her life and has devoted 20–30 years to studying the martial arts. Asari choose to be warriors at a young age, and their education from that point is dedicated to sharpening the mind and body for that sole purpose. When they retire, they possess an alarming proficiency for killing.

Huntresses fight individually or in pairs, depending on the tactics preferred in their town. One-on-one, a huntress is practically unbeatable, possessing profound tactical insight, a hunter's eye, and a dancer's grace and alacrity. Biotics are common enough that some capability is a requirement to be trained as a huntress; lack of biotic talent excludes a young asari from military service.

While fluid and mobile, asari can't stand up in a firestorm the way a krogan, turian, or human could. Since their units are small and typically lack heavy armor and support weapons, they are almost incapable of fighting a conventional war, particularly one of a defensive nature. So asari units typically undertake special operations missions. Like an army of ninja, they are adept at ambush, infiltration, and assassination, demoralizing and defeating their enemies through intense, focused guerrilla strikes.

As a popular turian saying puts it, "The asari are the finest warriors in the galaxy. Fortunately, there are not many of them."

 

The famed weakness of the Asari being unable to take the punishment like humans or turians doesn't have to do with their physical limits but the size of their units and equipment they use.

 

Mass Effect 3 War Assets:

Asari Commando's:

 

Asari Commandos train from an early age to control their minds and bodies, seeking the ultimate economy of thought and movement. They are taught that each shot and each decision be made without hesitation. While exact training methods vary among teams, all commandos are consummate professionals. Their ambushes, quick strikes, and clever tactics have bested larger, well-armed units in thousands of recorded conflicts.

 

Serrice Guard:

 

The Serrice Guard set out to stop Blood Pack mercenaries attempting to enslave asari colonies in the Terminus Systems. After a ship-to-ship fight, the commandos and mercs crash-landed. With no means to contact Thessia, the surviving asari continued to engage the grounded Blood Pack, whittling down the frustrated slavers with traps, ambushes, and nighttime offensives. After nine days and more than 100 casualties, the Blood Pack surrendered. And the mercenaries were astonished to learn they had only been battling five asari commandos. Although the Guard downplayed their heroics, they became instant celebrities upon their return to Thessia.

 

And of course we have Wrex's tail of the Asari that got away.  No matter how hard he tried he couldn't kill her.  Tear apart a space station and kill loads of mercs and pirates, yes.  Aleena, no.  Not even a krogan battle-master, the best the krogan have with centuries of experience and biotic abilities, could beat an asari 1 on 1.

 

Any fight between special forces is going to be done with small unit tactics and that is what the Asari excel at.  Sure the krogan horde could drown them in bodies and the reapers forced them to stand and fight in a way they hated but that's not what were talking about here.  As far as special forces go Asari commandos are simple the best in the game universe.

 

You forget that Aralakh Company is filled with Krogan Battlemasters or the equivalent. Wrex and Aleena/Aria fought to a draw. I get where you are coming from, I couldn't decide who would win between Aralakh Company and the Asari Commandos. In all likelihood it is a draw and the only reason Aralakh gets a boost is because of Grunt.

 

Regarding N7 though, I think it's obvious based on lore that N7 at the end of the Reaper Wars and during the height of the Reaper Wars are the strongest in terms of squad tactics. The fact that other races are asking them to train their special forces against the Reapers speaks volumes and shows N7 are the superior squad tactics.

 

Individually, I have no doubt an Asari Commando will win against an N7 marine. In fact, I even say that Asari Commandos are unmatched in 1v1 duels. But as a squad, I think N7 by the time of the Reaper wars is superior; reasons stated above.