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You forget that Aralakh Company is filled with Krogan Battlemasters or the equivalent. Wrex and Aleena/Aria fought to a draw. I get where you are coming from, I couldn't decide who would win between Aralakh Company and the Asari Commandos. In all likelihood it is a draw and the only reason Aralakh gets a boost is because of Grunt.

 

Regarding N7 though, I think it's obvious based on lore that N7 at the end of the Reaper Wars and during the height of the Reaper Wars are the strongest in terms of squad tactics. The fact that other races are asking them to train their special forces against the Reapers speaks volumes and shows N7 are the superior squad tactics.

 

Individually, I have no doubt an Asari Commando will win against an N7 marine. In fact, I even say that Asari Commandos are unmatched in 1v1 duels. But as a squad, I think N7 by the time of the Reaper wars is superior; reasons stated above. 

Arlack Company is never referred to as a biotic unit so we can't assume that the krogan in it are battlemasters.  Without those biotic abilities their ability to hold up against the asari is greatly diminished.  Add onto that the fact that krogan are not naturally cooperative means that they are more likely to break down and disobey orders if they feel either slighted or that they know better, Arlack is a new unit drawn from clans with long standing bloody rivalry's with no real esprit de corps and are not going to be as disciplined as the turains, humans, asari, or salarians.  And don't forget that while the blood rage may enable a krogan to fight even after suffering a mortal injury it's also is likely to destroy any detailed plan the company has made as they will forgo discipline for rage if angered or scared. 

 

I would see the asari slipping in and out taking pot shots at the krogan until 1 of them goes into a rage and chases them away from the group and easily killed.  Any attempt to move the whole company in pursuit is just going to be chasing ghost as the nimble asari slip away and around to strike them in the rear.  Unless the krogan have a target that would have to be defended by the asari, a populous town or something they would just be picked apart piece by piece until their was nothing left.  But if they could force a traditional fight they would likely be able to simply overwhelm the asari with numbers, durability, and firepower.

 

As for N7's training other races where does that come from?  I'm not saying your wrong I just don't remember that from any of the games.

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Arlack Company is never referred to as a biotic unit so we can't assume that the krogan in it are battlemasters.  Without those biotic abilities their ability to hold up against the asari is greatly diminished.  Add onto that the fact that krogan are not naturally cooperative means that they are more likely to break down and disobey orders if they feel either slighted or that they know better, Arlack is a new unit drawn from clans with long standing bloody rivalry's with no real esprit de corps and are not going to be as disciplined as the turains, humans, asari, or salarians.  And don't forget that while the blood rage may enable a krogan to fight even after suffering a mortal injury it's also is likely to destroy any detailed plan the company has made as they will forgo discipline for rage if angered or scared. 

 

I would see the asari slipping in and out taking pot shots at the krogan until 1 of them goes into a rage and chases them away from the group and easily killed.  Any attempt to move the whole company in pursuit is just going to be chasing ghost as the nimble asari slip away and around to strike them in the rear.  Unless the krogan have a target that would have to be defended by the asari, a populous town or something they would just be picked apart piece by piece until their was nothing left.  But if they could force a traditional fight they would likely be able to simply overwhelm the asari with numbers, durability, and firepower.

 

As for N7's training other races where does that come from?  I'm not saying your wrong I just don't remember that from any of the games.

 

Actually, we do know Aralakh Company is made up of the best warriors from each clan. So that means Battlemasters, or in the case of Grunt an even better Berserker with biotic charge (it doesn't make sense to refer to a group of Battlemasters as a biotic unit anyway). So that means Asari Commandos will go up against a squad full of Krogan Battlemasters or better, including Grunt.

 

According to Grunt, Aralakh Company had an esprit de corps by the time they fought the Rachni. After the incident with the Rachni, Aralakh company definitely has an esprit de corps; we see this in Grunt's Citadel DLC cutscene. 

 

Aralakh Company beats Turian Blackwatch and Asari Commando precisely because it's the first time in a long time that Krogan Battlemasters or better have formed into a cohesive squad with squad tactics. Krogan Battlemasters use their blood rage tactically, as we know in lore, and so Aralakh Company won't blindly charge but rather use precision blood rage strikes equal to that of Asari Commandos. 

 

So the normal Asari Commando hit-and-run tactics will work but they won't pick off Aralakh Company. Instead Aralakh Company will stick together and eventually catch the Asari Commandos. The scenario would be like Wrex versus Aleena/Aria, where it is a draw and neither can destroy the other. BUT Aralakh Company has Grunt, which will give them that slight edge they need to win IMO.

 

N7 squad tactics? I believe Mass Effect Wikia, in game codex, MP lore (not gameplay but lore) tells us that N7, at the height of the Reaper Wars, has the best squad tactics that all other races are asking them to train for guerrilla warfare against the Reapers. 

 

tl;dr Asari will go up against a squad of Krogan Battlemasters with biotics b/c Battlemasters are the best warriors in each clan and Aralakh Company is filled with the best warriors in each clan (Grunt is a Berserker, arguably better than Battlemaster). It will become like Wrex vs. Aleena/Aria except Grunt's presence will give them the edge IMO. 

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Actually, we do know Aralakh Company is made up of the best warriors from each clan. So that means Battlemasters, or in the case of Grunt an even better Berserker with biotic charge (it doesn't make sense to refer to a group of Battlemasters as a biotic unit anyway). So that means Asari Commandos will go up against a squad full of Krogan Battlemasters or better, including Grunt.

According to lore krogan biotics are extremely rare, you almost never see one as an enemy in all the trilogy but maybe once a game.  And most of the ones we know of are clan leaders or at least very high ranking.  The codex entry specifically refers to Aralakh Company as the finest warriors of the clans which is a term used for non powered krogan, and they were chosen for strength, ferocity, and fighting experience  not biotic ability.  Strength isn't going to matter against the asari as you have to get with arms reach to punch them, ferocity is more likely to go into a rage and break orders and experience doesn't give them an edge over asari considering they both have lifespans of over 1,000 years.  Which means that the asri biotics is a huge advantage and probably a deciding factor.

[Cyberpunk]

According to lore krogan biotics are extremely rare, you almost never see one as an enemy in all the trilogy but maybe once a game.  And most of the ones we know of are clan leaders or at least very high ranking.  The codex entry specifically refers to Aralakh Company as the finest warriors of the clans which is a term used for non powered krogan, and they were chosen for strength, ferocity, and fighting experience  not biotic ability.  Strength isn't going to matter against the asari as you have to get with arms reach to punch them, ferocity is more likely to go into a rage and break orders and experience doesn't give them an edge over asari considering they both have lifespans of over 1,000 years.  Which means that the asri biotics is a huge advantage and probably a deciding factor.

 

I don't think Krogan biotics are extremely rare. The lore just says that Krogan biotics, though few, typically rise up quickly in their ranks and become Battlemasters. Krogan warrior is not a term for non-biotic Krogan, not sure where you get that. The fact that Aralakh Company refers to best warriors from each clan doesn't mean non-powered Krogan. It just means the best warriors, and if the lore is to be believed, that mean Battlemasters. And yes, Aralakh Company having the best warriors from each clan would include the few Battlemasters from each clan. 

 

The fact that the Bloodpack Krogan and other Krogan enemies are usually Battlemasters, shows this. We meet a lot of Battlemasters throughout the trilogy, not just Wrex. So they are definitely not as rare as you make them out to be. 

 

Battlemasters are not known for their biotics, but known for strength, ferocity, and fighting experience. So that just shows again either Aralakh Company is made up of Battlemasters or even better warriors like Grunt who is a Krogan Berserker capable of biotic charge. 

 

I know that the Asari have thousands of years of experience, and that is why they are probably unmatched 1v1. But so do the Krogan Battlemasters; in Grunt's case he has thousands of years of experience programmed into him anyway. Asari biotics, while supreme, is shown to even out against Krogan Battlemasters, probably due to biotic charge and other factors like blood rage. That's why Wrex and Aleena/Aria fought to a draw. 

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I don't think Krogan biotics are extremely rare. The lore just says that Krogan biotics, though few, typically rise up quickly in their ranks and become Battlemasters. Krogan warrior is not a term for non-biotic Krogan, not sure where you get that. The fact that Aralakh Company refers to best warriors from each clan doesn't mean non-powered Krogan. It just means the best warriors, and if the lore is to be believed, that mean Battlemasters. And yes, Aralakh Company having the best warriors from each clan would include the few Battlemasters from each clan. 

 

The fact that the Bloodpack Krogan and other Krogan enemies are usually Battlemasters, shows this. We meet a lot of Battlemasters throughout the trilogy, not just Wrex. So they are definitely not as rare as you make them out to be. 

 

Battlemasters are not known for their biotics, but known for strength, ferocity, and fighting experience. So that just shows again either Aralakh Company is made up of Battlemasters or even better warriors like Grunt who is a Krogan Berserker capable of biotic charge. 

 

I know that the Asari have thousands of years of experience, and that is why they are probably unmatched 1v1. But so do the Krogan Battlemasters; in Grunt's case he has thousands of years of experience programmed into him anyway. Asari biotics, while supreme, is shown to even out against Krogan Battlemasters, probably due to biotic charge and other factors like blood rage. That's why Wrex and Aleena/Aria fought to a draw. 

The fact that a non biotic krogan was a political appointed leader shows that this company isn't all it's hyped up to be.  Grunt is strong yes, but he has no leadership experience and only a few months of combat experience, hell life experience but he was put in charge.  The clans are not going to put their second most valuable assets under a rookie knowing that 1 bad decision will see their power take a nose dive.  Yes, they send good warriors and tell them to work together to bring honor to the clan but I just don't think the clans trust each other enough to commit their battlemasters to one unit and risk them all in one battle.  Particularity if Clan Urdnot is under Wreav because if he's in charge they would be waiting for the knife in the back.

 

I mean just look at the mission in ME3 where if Grunt is dead or not a member of the clan another Krogan will be assigned to command Aralakh Company and he is named Urdnot Dagg.  He to holds off the rachni to too by Shepard time to get out of the tunnels but dies in the process.  The dying however isn't whats important, but that at no point does he use a biotic ability in his last moments against unprotected enemies.  We have seen biotics used in cut scenes before Liara and Jack come to mind and their are others but that neither commanding officers of Aralakh uses biotic means we can not assume that all or most of the krogan within the company are in fact battlemasters. 

 

And if their not, if they are just good krogan warriors I don't see how they could hold up against the Asari Commandos.

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The fact that a non biotic krogan was a political appointed leader shows that this company isn't all it's hyped up to be.  Grunt is strong yes, but he has no leadership experience and only a few months of combat experience, hell life experience but he was put in charge.  The clans are not going to put their second most valuable assets under a rookie knowing that 1 bad decision will see their power take a nose dive.  Yes, they send good warriors and tell them to work together to bring honor to the clan but I just don't think the clans trust each other enough to commit their battlemasters to one unit and risk them all in one battle.  Particularity if Clan Urdnot is under Wreav because if he's in charge they would be waiting for the knife in the back.

 

I mean just look at the mission in ME3 where if Grunt is dead or not a member of the clan another Krogan will be assigned to command Aralakh Company and he is named Urdnot Dagg.  He to holds off the rachni to too by Shepard time to get out of the tunnels but dies in the process.  The dying however isn't whats important, but that at no point does he use a biotic ability in his last moments against unprotected enemies.  We have seen biotics used in cut scenes before Liara and Jack come to mind and their are others but that neither commanding officers of Aralakh uses biotic means we can not assume that all or most of the krogan within the company are in fact battlemasters. 

 

And if their not, if they are just good krogan warriors I don't see how they could hold up against the Asari Commandos.

 

But Mass Effect 3 contradicts what you just said. The Krogan clans do send their best warriors to Aralakh Company; and we know their best warriors are Krogan Battlemasters. Therefore Aralakh Company is made up of Krogan Battlemasters or better.

 

Also Grunt, in game, has Biotic Charge; he's not a non-biotic Krogan in that sense. Battlemaster biotics are used for Biotic Charge. Just because the cutscenes don't show it doesn't mean we don't know they have it.  Grunt (during the mission) is capable of Biotic Charge in game. Urdnott Dagg has Biotic Charge in game. All the Krogan Battlemasters we meet just use Biotic Charge to exemplify their biotics. 

 

Grunt, by the time of ME3, has proven himself as Aralakh Company's leader. Grunt also has implanted tactics, strategies, and fighting abilities of all the previous Krogan generals, thanks to Okeer. Finally after ME2 and by the time ME3 occurs, the game tells us Grunt has acquired leadership experience leading Aralakh Company and Aralakh Company has esprit de corps as seen by dialogue and also the Citadel DLC. 

 

But you seem to overestimate biotics' importance versus the Asari; Battlemasters and Berserkers have weaker biotics but they make up for it in other areas. Asari Commandos having the best biotics do not make them the best squad head to head. Aralakh Company will force them to a draw, with Grunt giving them the edge they need to win.

 

Keep in mind that Aralakh Company held off an entire Rachni Horde. Every single special forces group has done incredible things. You mentioned the Serrice Guard but Aralakh Company was facing a whole Rachni Horde, not just a few Bloodpack Vorcha. Aralakh Company is also small too. If you want to use heroics, then every single special forces group is the best ever, because they all have done incredible things including N7, STG, SIU, and as far as we know the Turian Blackwatch. 

 

Finally, in all instances of Krogan Battlemaster versus Asari Commando, it has been a draw. Wrex vs Aleena/Aria; Aethyta's Krogan Father vs Aethyta's Asari Commando mother. I highly doubt Asari Commandos will easily win against the Turian Blackwatch either. Think Saren versus Aethyta (Liara's..."dad"). I think Asari Commandos will probably win but it will be a very painful victory and they would barely win. 

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But Mass Effect 3 contradicts what you just said. The Krogan clans do send their best warriors to Aralakh Company; and we know their best warriors are Krogan Battlemasters. Therefore Aralakh Company is made up of Krogan Battlemasters or better.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree as I don't see an entire unit being made up of krogan battlemaster, there is to much distinction between non biotic warriors and warlords and biotic battlemaster for me to think that they are referring to battlemasters as warriors. So I don't see them being able to do enough with their small arms to get through the shields and barriers while being hit with small arms and biotic attacks before the asari get away. 

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Fair enough haha, I've explained why Aralakh Company must include at least Battlemasters or better Krogan. Anyway I updated the Turian Blackwatch. Apparently it is the same 9th Platoon that Lt. Victus was leading. 

 

Also, I believe Asari Commandos are overexaggerated a little bit here. For instance, Asari Commandos completely failed and were wiped out when they attempted to retake the Banshee infested sanctuary in ME3, the one where you meet Samara again. On the other hand, Aralakh Company held its own against a horde of Reapers and Rachni. So I think again that shows 1v1, Aralakh wins. 

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Fair enough haha, I've explained why Aralakh Company must include at least Battlemasters or better Krogan. Anyway I updated the Turian Blackwatch. Apparently it is the same 9th Platoon that Lt. Victus was leading. 

 

Also, I believe Asari Commandos are overexaggerated a little bit here. For instance, Asari Commandos completely failed and were wiped out when they attempted to retake the Banshee infested sanctuary in ME3, the one where you meet Samara again. On the other hand, Aralakh Company held its own against a horde of Reapers and Rachni. So I think again that shows 1v1, Aralakh wins. 

Asari commando's are the base line infantry of the asari.  Within them they have elite units to like the Serrice Guard, Armall Sniper Unit, and the Justicars.

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Asari commando's are the base line infantry of the asari.  Within them they have elite units to like the Serrice Guard, Armall Sniper Unit, and the Justicars.

 

I don't believe that's true. Asari ground forces have regular local huntresses, and Asari Commandos are called the elite of those regular local huntresses. Liara's "father" was never an Asari Commando, but she was still in the military. Same with Samara. Justicars are not Asari Commandos; Justicars are not even related to Asari Commandos. 

 

I'll just refer to this as a quick reference without digging up the codex or whatever lore.

 

http://masseffect.wi.../Asari_Commando

 

"Asari Commandos are powerful asari biotics who form the elite of the asari military"