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[Unata]

Would depend on where the timeline starts for Andromeda if mentioning it to Shep even comes up, consider if Andromeda was started because of the reaper discovery or if it was an already started project, I wouldn't think an already started project since humans where just getting to know the galaxy at the start of ME1 being not to long after the Turian conflict.

 

Now, if the project was started because of the Reaper threat, then the folks that started it would believe Shepard dead since it was only a few months after ME1, and coming back from the dead under a Cerberus flag then No, and as Engineer Adams said he didn't believe it was Shep at first so he didn't join in ME2.

 

Would still be those that don't trust the Hero is still true blue, so No wouldn't clog Shep's brain with another plan of escape.

[Iakus]

 
If the ark ships are already gone, then yeah, Shepard doesn't really need to know.
 

Though I'd say if the ships are already gone, everyone probably already knows about them because they wouldn't be part of a super-secret anti-Reaper project.

[Zu Long]

Since the Arks almost certainly left before ME3 as a Reaper failsafe, no, you don't tell Shepard. She's currently being investigated for working with Cerberus. In fact, you don't tell ANYONE who isn't involved. And you damn well scrub all your systems of the info after the Arks leave, because otherwise there's a pretty good chance one of the Reapers could catch the Arks.

The only way this project works as a failsafe is if you pull the carpet up behind you as you leave. You leave no evidence the project existed, and whoever you put in charge decides where you're going AFTER you leave.

[dreamgazer]

Though I'd say if the ships are already gone, everyone probably already knows about them because they wouldn't be part of a super-secret anti-Reaper project.

Depends on how well they were kept hidden.

[SofaJockey]

Assuming the population of the Council races is 200 billion sentients,

and the Ark fleet will allow, let's say 20,000 to run for the hills,

 

then Shepard will really be worried about the 0.0001% of the population who are the 'escape party'?

 

No, I don't think so, it is wholly irrelevant to attempting to save the 99.9998% in the Milky Way.

[Pasquale1234]

Knowing about the Andromeda Initiative would show Shepard that not everything is hinging on them, that there will be people who will survive. They may not need to know the details, but knowing of the premise would definitely help with Shepard's mental state which would help with the war effort.

Not necessarily. Some people do their best work under stress, and Shepard might care far more about the billions of lives on the line in TMW than whether any particular species escapes extinction.

On another note - I'm not sure whether Hackett and/or the Council knew or needed to know about this project. We don't know much about its background at this point.

[ssanyesz]

He is probably brainwashed by now, so i would keep him/her far away from my Ark.

[Iakus]

Assuming the population of the Council races is 200 billion sentients,

and the Ark fleet will allow, let's say 20,000 to run for the hills,

 

then Shepard will really be worried about the 0.0001% of the population who are the 'escape party'?

 

No, I don't think so, it is wholly irrelevant to attempting to save the 99.9998% in the Milky Way.

Depends on how many replacement water chips they have...

[dreamgazer]

If the ships haven't already left, then Shepard should probably know their location so as not to draw the Reapers' attention there. Shepard does a whole lot of moving, scanning, and Reaper-luring across the entire relay network in ME3.

[Iakus]

Depends on how well they were kept hidden.

 

Why hide it?  It's not like there's an imminent invasion of space Cthulhu brewing  

 

But seriously, unless the project is tied to the coming of the Reapers (and it's been strongly hinted that it's not) there's zero reason to hide it.

 

I mean, when the first manned mission to Mars eventually happens, you think there'll be a media blackout?

[Fixers0]

It's a big galaxy, is what I'm saying. There are still enough resources (and heretofore unknown factions to direct those resources) to fund something like the ark.

 

Shipbulding is an expensive business, Shipyards are expensive to build and maintain, especially if you're planning to build station-sized ark-ships.

 

Unless, you mean the Arks were constructed by a jet unseen empire which has both the raw resources, manufacturing capability, manpower, technology and intellect to construct multiple colossal spaceships. Which would be incredibily lame.

 

Point Being: only largest powers have the capability to even begin thinking about starting an Ark project. And before ME3 Cerberus appeared there wasn't a single private entity which that kind of capabilities.

[BioWareM0d13]

Shepard is also scouring the galaxy for supplies.

There is a whole galaxy full of resources to access and millions of other soldiers and Marines serving in the Council species militaries. There were would be no need to give Shepard and the Normandy the responsibility of tracking down resources for the Arks when there would be other people and other ships much better suiited for that role. Shepard already had a mission on his or her plate that took precedence over the ark project. Relying on Shepard would both be an inefficient use of manpower and a security risk.

Shepard also isn't personally gathering resources. At best a probe from the Normandy flags an asteroid as being eezo rich, and then the Alliance or Council sends a mining operation to tow or extract it. Shepard doesn't need to know whether that resource later goes to the Crucible, war ship production, the arks, ect.

[Zu Long]

Why hide it? It's not like there's an imminent invasion of space Cthulhu brewing

But seriously, unless the project is tied to the coming of the Reapers (and it's been strongly hinted that it's not) there's zero reason to hide it.

I mean, when the first manned mission to Mars eventually happens, you think there'll be a media blackout?

There are a non zero number of people who believe we've been on Mars for years. Some people even claim to have been teleported there as part of a secret government project.

More seriously, when was it strongly hinted that the Reapers had nothing to do with this?

[dreamgazer]

Why hide it?  It's not like there's an imminent invasion of space Cthulhu brewing  
 
But seriously, unless the project is tied to the coming of the Reapers (and it's been strongly hinted that it's not) there's zero reason to hide it.
 
I mean, when the first manned mission to Mars eventually happens, you think there'll be a media blackout?

Uh, do you realize how many people would want a seat on that ship if it were made public?

[Iakus]

Shipbulding is an expensive business, Shipyards are expensive to build and maintain, especially if you're planning to build station-sized ark-ships.

 

Unless, you mean the Arks were constructed by a jet unseen empire which has both the raw resources, manufacturing capability, manpower, technology and intellect to construct multiple colossal spaceships. Which would be incredibily lame.

 

Point Being: only largest powers have the capability to even begin thinking about starting an Ark project. And before ME3 Cerberus appeared there wasn't a single private entity which that kind of capabilities.

 

http://www.shamusyou...edtale/?p=30943

 

Granted this is more about a private organization like Cerberus building a warship, but much of it still applies to teh COuncil or SA building one in secret

[ArcadiaGrey]

Depends on when they're made and when they leave.  If it's pre ME3 then Shep is still persona non grata to the Council and Alliance and they wouldn't let him/her in on such a secret.  They still don't trust Shep until there's a bloody Reaper right above their heads.  

 

For my own headcanon though, I feel like it would be nice for Shep to know by the end of ME3.  Learning that some ppl got away and the species of the galaxy still had a chance would be a comfort should the Crucible fail.

[Hammerstorm]

Uh, do you realize how many people would want a seat on that ship if it were made public?

 

This remind me of the movie 2012.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Uh, do you realize how many people would want a seat on that ship if it were made public?

I'm going to hazard a guess and say:

[Iakus]

There is a whole galaxy full of resources to access and millions of other soldiers and Marines serving in the Council species militaries. There were would be no need to give Shepard and the Normandy the responsibility of tracking down resources for the Arks when there would be other people and other ships much better suiited for that role. Shepard already had a mission on his or her plate that took precedence over the ark project. Relying on Shepard would both be an inefficient use of manpower and a security risk.

Shepard also isn't personally gathering resources. At best a probe from the Normandy flags an asteroid as being eezo rich, and then the Alliance or Council sends a mining operation to tow or extract it. Shepard doesn't need to know whether that resource later goes to the Crucible, war ship production, the arks, ect.

Then why the hell is Shepard referring everyone to Docking Bay D24?

 

What have I been stashing there and handing out to everyone on the Citadel, the Normandy's dirty laundry?  

 

There are a non zero number of people who believe we've been on Mars for years. Some people even claim to have been teleported there as part of a secret government project.

More seriously, when was it strongly hinted that the Reapers had nothing to do with this?

Mac Walters has said that people are boarding the Ark for a variety of reasons.  If it was because of the Reapers, I would think the predominant reason would be "AHHHHHHH!!!  REAPERS!!!! WE CAN"T DEFEAT THEM CONVENTIONALLY!!!!!!"

 

Uh, do you realize how many people would want a seat on that ship if it were made public?

Even with Elon Musk predicting that the crew of that first voyage will probably die?  

 

At any rate, I imagine the ship would be crewed by people who serve important functions on the ship or the colonization efforts, and wouldn't be a passenger liner. Crew would be drawn from people with those skills.  And they will have trained and prepared for years for the program.

[Anacronian Stryx]

I don't really how they could be any kind of secret - Giant structures in orbit around Earth with ships coming and leaving Earth every hour.

[Zu Long]

Mac Walters has said that people are boarding the Ark for a variety of reasons. If it was because of the Reapers, I would think the predominant reason would be "AHHHHHHH!!! REAPERS!!!! WE CAN"T DEFEAT THEM CONVENTIONALLY!!!!!

The Reapers are a secret pre-ME3. Why would most of the people on the Ark know about them? You would only need the main crew to know. The rest could be oblivious until after the Arks leave.

[dreamgazer]

At any rate, I imagine the ship would be crewed by people who serve important functions on the ship or the colonization efforts, and wouldn't be a passenger liner. Crew would be drawn from people with those skills.  And they will have trained and prepared for years for the program.

I agree, but it won't stop many, many people from trying to get on for X, Y, and Z reasons.

Won't stop nutters from trying to sabotage it, either.

[BioWareM0d13]

Then why the hell is Shepard referring everyone to Docking Bay D24?

What have I been stashing there and handing out to everyone on the Citadel, the Normandy's dirty laundry?

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Wasn't that just for items recovered on side quests? I don't believe it was ever implied that the Normandy was mining and transporting minerals to the Citadel.

The Normandy is a small ship that could not really mine or transport a significant amount anyway. It would be silly on the part of the writers to have the Normandy actually mining and transporting the majority of the building materials being used in either the Crucible or the arks.

[Pasquale1234]

Wasn't that just for items recovered on side quests? I don't believe it was ever implied that the Normandy was mining and transporting minerals to the Citadel.

The Normandy is a small ship that could not really mine or transport a significant amount anyway. It would be silly on the part of the writers to have the Normandy actually mining and transporting the majority of the building materials being used in either the Crucible or the arks.

That's what freighters are for. Some supply freighters being sent to the Crucible are mentioned on the shadow broker's terminal.

[fizzypop]

Yes, mostly because I would want Shepard on them. But I get why that didn't happen.