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#201
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That's a nice image showing the United States and part of Canada. It would seem the ships leave before the reapers arrive.

 

Anyways. Shepard doesn't need to know. He/she had no idea Liara was on Mars looking for clues. He/she didn't know about Ashley's/Kaidan's promotion while under house arrest. I'm sure there are other things Shepard didn't know while being under house arrest.

 

Did Shepard know when giving that message during the N7 trailer last year?



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No, it is not "evident" that Shepard would have known.  We don't know, for example, that the scene occurs at any point when Shepard is on or anywhere near earth.  It may have occurred when he/he was technically dead and being rebuilt by Cerberus at a lab of unknown location.  It is your guess/opinion that he would have known... but not "evident."

Its extremely unlikely that what is seen in the trailer occurred when Shepard was dead there is no way 4+ crucible sized ships can be built that fast let alone three years. Also ships that large are bound to draw a lot of attention.

 

 

As for the Council - you use the term "seemed content" meaning they may well have, behind all the "seeming" not been content at all and engaging in preparations in ways that we (the players) have not, as yet, been made aware of by the authors.

 

The council in the trilogy have been depicted as idiots burring their heads in the sand on galaxy wide threats until its too late is what they do best

 

 

That's the real point of this... Unless you believe that Bioware was already writing ME:A while they were writing ME1-3, you'll have to accept that they would have to do some retcon to make ME:A "fit" into the series.  What people are just guessing about will change exactly nothing; and there is no real way of judging the quality of Bioware's "retcon" until after the game is released and we get to see what it is they've actually done.

 Bioware and retcon's aren't a good mix, most if not all the retcon's to the ME series have done more harm than good.



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Speaking of that how will Shepard's best female friend Liara NOT know about the Arks

 

I'm confident she would tell him about them



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Its extremely unlikely that what is seen in the trailer occurred when Shepard was dead there is no way 4+ crucible sized ships can be built that fast let alone three years. Also ships that large are bound to draw a lot of attention.

 

The council in the trilogy have been depicted as idiots burring their heads in the sand on galaxy wide threats until its too late is what they do best

 

 

 Bioware and retcon's aren't a good mix, most if not all the retcon's to the ME series have done more harm than good.

 

If Bioware says they can be built in that time frame, they'll be built in that time frame... whether you like it or not.  If Bioware wants to imply that the Council were actually smarter than they lead us to believe they were, they'll do it... whether you like it or not... It still doesn't mean 1) that the ARKs being built over earth is "EVIDENT" (i.e. visually apparent in the video) nor does it mean that 2) Shepard would have a NEED TO KNOW about them.

 

I get that you're purpose in all of this is to imply that Bioware are going to be "bad" at retconning ME:A... but what is EVIDENT is that there will be no evidence of that until after the game is released at we all find out what Bioware actually does.  It is obvious that if they don't do any retconning, the only alternative will be that there is not ME:A released (and I do think that it will be released).  Until then, all you're saying is that any of us BSNers are not good at retconning... and I already know that about myself.  Fortunately, I don't write video games for a living.


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Speaking of that how will Shepard's best female friend Liara NOT know about the Arks

 

I'm confident she would tell him about them

 

She probably didn't know. She wasn't really a good shadow broker. She was better at handling info before she took over. Or she did ant thought not relevant.



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^

 

I think Shepard narration before the start of their journey is fanfare



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If Bioware says they can be built in that time frame, they'll be built in that time frame... whether you like it or not.  If Bioware wants to imply that the Council were actually smarter than they lead us to believe they were, they'll do it... whether you like it or not... It still doesn't mean 1) that the ARKs being built over earth is "EVIDENT" (i.e. visually apparent in the video) nor does it mean that 2) Shepard would have a NEED TO KNOW about them.

 

 

Building 4+ crucible size ships in a ridiculously short amount of time while also being kept secret is both contrived and bad writing, Bioware needs less contrived plot devices not more of them. As for the council given how Bioware went to great lengths to depict them as idiots its unlikely they're more cleaver than we previously thought, they literally went from believing Shepard at the end of ME1 to "ah yes reapers" in ME2.

 

 

I get that you're purpose in all of this is to imply that Bioware are going to be "bad" at retconning ME:A... but what is EVIDENT is that there will be no evidence of that until after the game is released at we all find out what Bioware actually does.  It is obvious that if they don't do any retconning, the only alternative will be that there is not ME:A released (and I do think that it will be released).  Until then, all you're saying is that any of us BSNers are not good at retconning... and I already know that about myself.  Fortunately, I don't write video games for a living.

 

You can't ignore trends they give a good example on what to expect and Bioware's tack record with retcon's doesn't inspire much confidence in their implementation.



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Building 4+ crucible size ships in a ridiculously short amount of time while also being kept secret is both contrived and bad writing, Bioware needs less contrived plot devices not more of them. As for the council given how Bioware went to great lengths to depict them as idiots its unlikely they're more cleaver than we previously thought, they literally went from believing Shepard at the end of ME1 to "ah yes reapers" in ME2.

 

You can't ignore trends they give a good example on what to expect and Bioware's tack record with retcon's doesn't inspire much confidence in their implementation.

 

Again, have a lack of confidence if you want... but what you're tearing apart here is NOT Bioware's retcons... It's the "possible" retcons being thought of by BSNers... and their "opinions" about what is and is not evident in the trailer are as valid as your own.  The ONLY time you'll be able to judge the quality of Bioware's retcon of ME:A is after ME:A is released.

 

Please, show me an image of ARKs being clearly built above earth... can't do it... because Bioware have not released that sort of image.  Show me clearly that those completed ARKs orbiting earth could not have just traveled there from having been built somewhere else (and they could have gotten there very quickly since the Mass Relay network would still be intact if it is indeed an image of earth before the Reaper attack).  Please also tell me a reason why Shepard would NEED TO KNOW about the ARKs... not that he should be trusted or would have found out about them... but that the Alliance brass would have a reason to tell him on a "need to know" basis.  To put it another way - How does knowing about the ARKs help Shepard follow his direct orders?... which are basically to engage in "interdiction" (i.e. basically to STOP the Reaper invasion or at least slow it down)... not to facilitate the "escape" of some peoples to preserve a portion of their species.

 

I would also contend that building 4+ ARKS in secret in the 3-year period between the end of ME1 and the beginning of ME3 is no more contrived than building 1 crucible in the few months that elapse during ME3... and motivation for making the ARKs Plan A at the end of ME1 could be merely that the tech for them was found in the Refuge System (opened up by Shepard during ME1 by finding the location of the "lost" Mu Relay).  No tech for the Crucible was found then (i.e. those plans were found in the Mars Archive after a "desperate" search by Liara).  Had the Crucible plans been found earlier, the Crucible might have been Plan A instead of the ARKs.



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That's a nice image showing the United States and part of Canada. It would seem the ships leave before the reapers arrive.

 

Anyways. Shepard doesn't need to know. He/she had no idea Liara was on Mars looking for clues. He/she didn't know about Ashley's/Kaidan's promotion while under house arrest. I'm sure there are other things Shepard didn't know while being under house arrest.

 

Did Shepard know when giving that message during the N7 trailer last year?

Or it could have been after they rebuilt (as it says at the end of the extended cut) and humans has exhausted all resources meaning they had to leave, christ knows about the rest of the galaxy



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No.   Shepard wasn't some high-ranking Admiral of the Alliance Navy.   She was a N7 squad commander given Spectre status by the council.   Then was officially KIA for two years, then shows up working for a terrorist organization, who then shortly thereafter destroys a batarian system full of civilians.   Outside of a few like Anderson and Hackett, Shepard is probably one of the last people you would entrust with classified intel.


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Or it could have been after they rebuilt (as it says at the end of the extended cut) and humans has exhausted all resources meaning they had to leave, christ knows about the rest of the galaxy

If that's the case, does that mean the high ems destroy breath scene is canon if Shepard gave that message after the reapers were destroyed?

 

For now, until Bioware says differently, or when I play the game, I  say the ships leave before the events of ME3


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