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Bioware, please let us be downright evil in this game.


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#1
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I want choices that allow Ryder to stab his squad mates in the proverbial back.  I'm talking, KOTOR levels of evil here.  Dragon Age Inquisition was sorely lacking in this.  So was Mass Effect 3.   Jade Empire nailed it though.   Can't we go back to the good old days? 

 

Make it happen. 

 

Do it. Do it. DO IT. 


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It doesn't really make sense for the character background. Renegade for a military/astronaut character should be more about ruthlessness in the service of a greater good, than just evil for its own sake.

Sith Lord levels of douchery would be a better fit for the renegade path of a space pirate character.
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I want choices that allow Ryder to stab his squad mates in the proverbial back.  I'm talking, KOTOR levels of evil here.  Dragon Age Inquisition was sorely lacking in this.  So was Mass Effect 3.   Jade Empire nailed it though.   Can't we back to the good old days? 

 

Make it happen. 

 

Do it. Do it. DO IT. 

Yeah but Kotor 1 levels of evil or Kotor 2 levels of evil? Because there's a difference:

 

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Being pure evil doesn't make sense for this game. If they ever make another kotor you might get your wish, but Ryder is going to be working to find a place for the coalition. I can see ruthlessness, and even genocide to secure a place for them, but not plain Jane evil.
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I want choices that allow Ryder to stab his squad mates in the proverbial back. I'm talking, KOTOR levels of evil here. Dragon Age Inquisition was sorely lacking in this. So was Mass Effect 3. Jade Empire nailed it though. Can't we back to the good old days?

Make it happen.

Do it. Do it. DO IT.

**** yes.

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Being pure evil doesn't make sense for this game. If they ever make another kotor you might get your wish, but Ryder is going to be working to find a place for the coalition. I can see ruthlessness, and even genocide to secure a place for them, but not plain Jane evil.

I don't think BioWare should get to decide what Ryder's objective is.
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Yeah but Kotor 1 levels of evil or Kotor 2 levels of evil? Because there's a difference:

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I would have a Darth Sion kind of evil if you please.

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It doesn't really make sense for the character background. Renegade for a military/astronaut character should be more about ruthlessness in the service of a greater good, than just evil for its own sake.

Sith Lord levels of douchery would be a better fit for the renegade path of a space pirate character.

Why can't we become a space pirate? Just because we start the game as an astronaut doesn't mean that has to define us forever.
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Renegade for a military/astronaut character should be more about ruthlessness in the service of a greater good, than just evil for its own sake.

Evil is evil, no matter the reason (**** the greater good, worst kind of evil ever).
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Yes, crush our enemies, and hear the lamentation of their women


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Why can't we become a space pirate?

I wish we could, but of course ME is not really an RPG.

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Yes, crush our enemies, and hear the lamentation of their women

DAI Version: console the women and fetch 'em 50 flowers or somethin'.

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Have we ever been able to be "downright evil" in Mass Effect? This wasn't a ME3-centric issue.
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IN ME3 you could consign billions to a horrible death because you decided to be stubborn with the Catalyst.

Isn't that evil enough for a while?


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I don't think BioWare should get to decide what Ryder's objective is.

Pretty sure the backstory already did that, which means Bioware already did it. Which means you better suck it up, buttercup!


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Eh I thought ME3 had more evil choices than other ME's. I mean you could kill Samara's daughter after Samara killed herself to protect her. You could kill Mordin and sabotage cure for genophage while lying about it to everybody and acting like a hero. You can shoot Kaidan and Ashley. So you can be pretty evil even if you can morally somewhat explain those.


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IN ME3 you could consign billions to a horrible death because you decided to be stubborn with the Catalyst.
Isn't that evil enough for a while?

I thought lying to the Krogan and shooting Mordin was the most evil thing you could do (best part of the game IMO).

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Mass Effect has never really allowed being evil for the sake of being evil, which just comes off as cartoonish anyway.

 

The problem with having both good and evil characters in a story is that they're often in conflict as to what they would do, but since this is a video game the questline is going to naturally go towards one path because it's an insane amount of work to allow for two wildly divergent paths.

 

Even in KotoR if I want to be pure evil I can't just hand Bastilla over to the Sith at the start of the game. I have to go through most of the game doing what the Jedi tell me to so I can do a last minute switch to the Sith. It only works for KotoR because that's kind of the standard for Star Wars morality.


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Pretty sure the backstory already did that, which means Bioware already did it. Which means you better suck it up, buttercup!

Backstory tells us how we got there, not what we want to do now. Backstory might not een establish why we did the things we did to end up here.

ME1's backstory didn't eatablish those things. Why would we assume MEA's backstory will?
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What would you call the playthrough in my signature? I call it a good playthrough



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Why can't we become a space pirate? Just because we start the game as an astronaut doesn't mean that has to define us forever.

It doesn't sound like it will fit the story. The game is going to be about exploration and finding homes for colonists. That's not really in a pirate's wheel house, and no one is going to trust a bandit who plunders their supply ships with finding them a place to live.

I'd love to see a ME game with a space pirate protagonist, or a similar roguish character, but that sort of character would be a poor fit for Andromeda. We already know that we won't be pirates anyway. One of the few bits of information Bioware released in the game was that the ship would be full of military specialists.
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Yeah, I wouldn't want a game where we played space pirate. I'm not really into the whole stealing, raping and murdering thing. 



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I don't think BioWare should get to decide what Ryder's objective is.

Who should decide then?



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Like, Infamous Second Son evil? Because that was evil.



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It doesn't really make sense for the character background. Renegade for a military/astronaut character should be more about ruthlessness in the service of a greater good, than just evil for its own sake.

 

Terrorizing new species so they would fear us, so our colony could prosper, no matter the reasons are doing evil things are evil.


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