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I agree its stunning but after reading a **** tonne of theories is just not feasible for it to work without a helmet unless there is a f**king huge glass window there lol

 

It's monitors.  Giant monitors linked to external cameras.

Go back to enjoying how stunning it is.  ;)



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It's monitors.  Giant monitors linked to external cameras.

Go back to enjoying how stunning it is.  ;)

Ok... catch you guys later im gonna go watch some giant squid at the aquarium lol


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I agree its stunning but after reading a **** tonne of theories is just not feasible for it to work without a helmet unless there is a f**king huge glass window there lol

Could just be an atmosphere-retaining barrier, like the one at the entrance to the Normandy's docking bay on the Presidium in Mass Effect 1, or the one that protected Joker when it was blown up.


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Could just be an atmosphere-retaining barrier, like the one at the entrance to the Normandy's docking bay on the Presidium in Mass Effect 1, or the one that protected Joker when it was blown up.

Oh yeah i totally forgot about that in ME1, i did wonder how they breathed, tbh never payed any attention to it haha



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Any documentation for these 'facts"?

Did Drew Karpyshyn say in something in an interview that he didn't want any part of ending the series? Because I may have missed it. My guess is nothing like that ever happened, and you have no idea what he did or did not want.

Same goes whether or not his barely outlined idea for a dark energy ending would have been better or worse than what we got. To say something that never actually existed is worse than something that actually does is ridiculous. From my view, any other ending could hardly be worse than the endings and ensuing fiasco that occurred.

We have to leave a 99% unexplored galaxy for a new one for chrissskes, just because they wrote themselves into an unrecoverable position vis-a-vis the Milky Way. Well done.

I think the ending we got was good, probably great, but people simply fail to grasp and understand the reasoning. 


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I think the ending we got was good, probably great, but people simply fail to grasp and understand the reasoning. 

It was intended to be great but in reality it doesn't have the narrative coherence.


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It was intended to be great but in reality it doesn't have the narrative coherence.

No, I think they intentionally cut it up to make it more mysterious which was a huge mistake. The greatest fault with the ending is not explaining the scale of time to the player. Yes you made peace between Quarians and the Geth. And yes, they can have peace for a year, or decade, a century or even a bilion years. The point is, that we are dealing with eternity, and inevitably conflict would break out again. They should have explained in more details that Reapers did try making peace before, but it always inevitably breaks down, with suffitcient time


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No, I think they intentionally cut it up to make it more mysterious which was a huge mistake. The greatest fault with the ending is not explaining the scale of time to the player. Yes you made peace between Quarians and the Geth. And yes, they can have peace for a year, or decade, a century or even a bilion years. The point is, that we are dealing with eternity, and inevitably conflict would break out again. They should have explained in more details that Reapers did try making peace before, but it always inevitably breaks down, with suffitcient time

 

I wish everyone who wants to make an ending to some big RPG to go watch how the original Fallout games handled it. Give the players information about what their choices did, do it in detail, and they'll generally be pretty happy.

 

Hell, Bioware did a pretty good job of it with DAO.



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The soul of Mass Effect was created with Mass Effect 2. So if Andromeda wants to keep it, it will be draw a lot from ME2. 

I don't think narrow corridors full of chest-high barriers mixes well with EXPLORATION!


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No, I think they intentionally cut it up to make it more mysterious which was a huge mistake. The greatest fault with the ending is not explaining the scale of time to the player. Yes you made peace between Quarians and the Geth. And yes, they can have peace for a year, or decade, a century or even a bilion years. The point is, that we are dealing with eternity, and inevitably conflict would break out again. They should have explained in more details that Reapers did try making peace before, but it always inevitably breaks down, with suffitcient time

You can say the same thing about organic vs organic conflict.  So the Reaper motivation remains stupid and pointless



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Any documentation for these 'facts"?


Which facts? The details of the dark energy ending? Here are a few resources:

http://www.eurogamer...-trilogy-ending

http://www.eurogamer...-drew-karpyshyn
 

Did Drew Karpyshyn say in something in an interview that he didn't want any part of ending the series? Because I may have missed it. My guess is nothing like that ever happened, and you have no idea what he did or did not want.


He bailed before ME3, the conclusion to the franchise he began writing, the one where he dropped the Reaper threat on the universe and said "peace out" a little before 2/3 the way through. Why didn't he stick with it? Hmm, it couldn't possibly be because he didn't want to deal with his own nonsense after wasting time with ME2's plot, now could it?
 

Same goes whether or not his barely outlined idea for a dark energy ending would have been better or worse than what we got. To say something that never actually existed is worse than something that actually does is ridiculous. From my view, any other ending could hardly be worse than the endings and ensuing fiasco that occurred.


The core, important details are plain to see in his interviews, which involves an incredibly moronic dose of circular logic (perpetuating the use of tech that's destroying the galaxy) and an even more "grimdark" sacrificial ending involving the human race or likely galactic annihilation.

Why is it ridiculous to say the bold? Tons upon tons of things don't exist that we know would be worse than what does exist.

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ME2

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 Uh huh...

 

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The core, important details are plain to see in his interviews, which involves an incredibly moronic dose of circular logic (perpetuating the use of tech that's destroying the galaxy) and an even more "grimdark" sacrificial ending involving the human race or likely galactic annihilation.
 

Is this where someone posts the "Yo Dawg" thing about synthetics?



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Is this where someone posts the "Yo Dawg" thing about synthetics?

 

I'll oblige. 

 

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Did Drew Karpyshyn say in something in an interview that he didn't want any part of ending the series? Because I may have missed it. My guess is nothing like that ever happened, and you have no idea what he did or did not want.

Same goes whether or not his barely outlined idea for a dark energy ending would have been better or worse than what we got. To say something that never actually existed is worse than something that actually does is ridiculous. From my view, any other ending could hardly be worse than the endings and ensuing fiasco that occurred.
 

 DK's idea posed that the Reapers harvest was just part of their plan to stop Dark Energy. Only organic beings can manipulate dark energy. They spent countless cycles looking for the right organic species that can properly combat Dark Energy. They spent a millennia of trial and error melting entire organic civilizations into giant Reapers in order to manipulate (and combat) Dark Energy on a cosmic scale. Until they found us (humans) because we're special. And then the big plot hole is the fact that they were trying to solve the problem of dark energy whilst contributing to it immensely with the mass relays.

 

 

Yeah. "Way Better".



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Is this where someone posts the "Yo Dawg" thing about synthetics?


If you'd like, but it's more debatable and less objective than the nonsense attached to dark energy's circular logic.

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You can say the same thing about organic vs organic conflict. So the Reaper motivation remains stupid and pointless


Organics have balance to one another in terms of food limitation. A child can be born but it will require constant food and water until it dies. A synthetic only needs to be built.
Organics can get ill or maimed or they can be incapable of combat. All synthetics are not subject to those limitations. In the end Organics find a point of balance while synthetics lack limits

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Organics have balance to one another in terms of food limitation. A child can be born but it will require constant food and water until it dies. A synthetic only needs to be built.
Organics can get ill or maimed or they can be incapable of combat. All synthetics are not subject to those limitations. In the end Organics find a point of balance while synthetics lack limits

 

1. This has nothing to do with the Reaper's motivations. 

2. Synthetics need resources to survive. Ever heard of a battery? Replacement parts? Wear and tear? Accidental damage? Earthquakes? Floods? Super Nova's? Black Holes? Justin Beiber?

3. Being synthetic doesn't make you good at combat. 


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1. This has nothing to do with the Reaper's motivations.
2. Synthetics need resources to survive. Ever heard of a battery? Replacement parts? Wear and tear? Accidental damage? Earthquakes? Floods? Super Nova's? Black Holes? Justin Beiber?
3. Being synthetic doesn't make you good at combat.


It has if xou paid attention. Synthetics are simply better than organics. That is why reapers decided to cull advanced organics, in order to prevent them fromcreating Synthetics that can wipe out ALL organic life.

Case in point- geth were building a dyson sphere around Rannochs sun. That would be awesome for them, unlimited energy but would anihilate any and all organic life in the entire star system due to lack of sunlight. Synthetics simply do t require it.

Runing out of batery is not co parable to starvation. Once a person starves that is it. You can stuff someone full of food andthey will magicaly revive. A synthetic can run out of energy, be charged later and function perfectly

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It has if xou paid attention. Synthetics are simply better than organics. That is why reapers decided to cull advanced organics, in order to prevent them fromcreating Synthetics that can wipe out ALL organic life.

Case in point- geth were building a dyson sphere around Rannochs sun. That would be awesome for them, unlimited energy but would anihilate any and all organic life in the entire star system due to lack of sunlight. Synthetics simply do t require it.

Runing out of batery is not co parable to starvation. Once a person starves that is it. You can stuff someone full of food andthey will magicaly revive. A synthetic can run out of energy, be charged later and function perfectly

 

Synthetics aren't better than organics, they're different. They face a different set of challenges than organics, but the challenges and limitations are still there. The reason the Reapers decided to wipe out organics isn't because synthetics were better, it was to prevent what they thought were inevitable wars between synthetics and organics. There are two examples in the games that organics could defeat synthetics... the Quanri/Geth war (the Geth would have been wiped out without intervention from the Reapers) and the defeat of the Reapers at the end of ME3. 

 

Of course, the Reapers didn't think they were wiping out organics, they thought they were preserving them. Well, preserving the life they thought worthy enough to preserve. 

 

Let's test your theory about magically reviving machinery with energy. Take the power source out of your computer and let me wire it directly into the A/C power in the wall. Let's see how fast that A/C current fries your D/C regulated machinery. Or, let me take the battery out of your car and then require you to start it with a AA battery. 

 

This is why most folks recognize the synthetic ending as Space Magic. 


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It's funny how almost every ME2 discussion ends up being the discussion about ME3 ending. I see a correlation here.



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Which facts? The details of the dark energy ending? Here are a few resources:http://www.eurogamer...-trilogy-endinghttp://www.eurogamer...-drew-karpyshyn He bailed before ME3, the conclusion to the franchise he began writing, the one where he dropped the Reaper threat on the universe and said "peace out" a little before 2/3 the way through. Why didn't he stick with it? Hmm, it couldn't possibly be because he didn't want to deal with his own nonsense after wasting time with ME2's plot, now could it? The core, important details are plain to see in his interviews, which involves an incredibly moronic dose of circular logic (perpetuating the use of tech that's destroying the galaxy) and an even more "grimdark" sacrificial ending involving the human race or likely galactic annihilation.Why is it ridiculous to say the bold? Tons upon tons of things don't exist that we know would be worse than what does exist.


Stating personal opinions as facts does not make them true. That is why I alluded to them in my post as "facts". To wit:

You stated "his dark energy ending was worse than the shipped ME3 endings". Got any proof?

You stated why Drew left before the completion of ME3. Got any proof?

And for logical fallacy, again, comparing an ending that does not exist to one that does is impossible. Ridiculous even.

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Got another one in denial...



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Synthetics aren't better than organics, they're different. They face a different set of challenges than organics, but the challenges and limitations are still there. The reason the Reapers decided to wipe out organics isn't because synthetics were better, it was to prevent what they thought were inevitable wars between synthetics and organics. There are two examples in the games that organics could defeat synthetics... the Quanri/Geth war (the Geth would have been wiped out without intervention from the Reapers) and the defeat of the Reapers at the end of ME3. 

 

Of course, the Reapers didn't think they were wiping out organics, they thought they were preserving them. Well, preserving the life they thought worthy enough to preserve. 

 

Let's test your theory about magically reviving machinery with energy. Take the power source out of your computer and let me wire it directly into the A/C power in the wall. Let's see how fast that A/C current fries your D/C regulated machinery. Or, let me take the battery out of your car and then require you to start it with a AA battery. 

 

This is why most folks recognize the synthetic ending as Space Magic. 

The war in it itself is not a problem, the problem is that combatants are unewen to such a degree that one side will inevitably lose, and subsequently put in danger not just itself, but all organic life. Synthetics dont need organics. They dont need food, clean water or plants. They dont need sunlight. A dyson sphere around the sun that puts the entire star system into total darkness wouldnt afect them negatively at all, but would kill off all organics, advanced and non advanced that exist in the system.

 

Again, Geth and Quarian conflict is miniscule on large scale of things. Say Reapers didnt get involved, and Quarians utterly destroy Geth. Can you say that in the following milion or bilion years someone somewhere wont create synthetics?

My point is timescale. It is inevitable that something will happen given enough time. 

 

Its not just about preserving the curent advanced life in Reaper form. Its about preserving the "younger ones", the lesser evolved species that would be put in grave danger in case of synthetic victory. Simple as that. 

 

Apples and oranges. My computer isnt a synthetic/robot, nor is that the case of energy drain. More suitable example is someone cutting electricity to my city/country for 10 years. A man who hasnt eaten for 10 years is dead for 10 years and no ammount of food showelling will revive him. I can plug in my computer after 10 years of inactivity and it will work just fine if preserved from damage.

 

Also sorry for bad writting, I was on mobile last time