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[DarthLaxian]

The less Mass Effect: Andromeda will be like Mass Effect 2, the better. Mass Effect 2 was easily the worst game in the Shepard Trilogy.

 

No, that was ME3 (even if you discount the ending completely!) with it's eavesdrop scanning-missions (I'd rather look for minerals than do this -.-), it's linearity, hopelesness (sure it wasn't looking good, but oppressive hopelesness without someone trying to lighten the mood with jokes etc. is just not what I look for in entertainment - if it fits the scene (like when Shepard just saw Mordin die or when Grunt was thought of as dead etc.) then it's ok, but otherwise? No...it's exactly what made that re-imagined Battlestart Galactica so hard to watch (for me!)...well, that and the unlikeable characters (just shoot them all and be done with it!) and all those religious BS (sorry, science fiction - not scientology!)), its stupid automatic dialogue ("we fight or we die"...damned, shut up Shepard!) etc.

 

Indeed I'd like a Mass Effect 1 style game pimped with everything that made ME2 the best game in the series (ME1 was great, but it still had to establish and explain so many things - world building! - and the gameplay was kind of clunky)...still, I'd love LOOT to return (with an auto-collect button (and not just some weapons you can find at pre-determined points and I'd like the Ammo-Powers to be weapon-mods again!)

[Remix-General Aetius]

Looking back at the trilogy, ME2 was the odd one out, with less serious attitude, and a change in tone when it comes to story. Everything seemed cheesy, not in a bad way, but just a bit over the top. Which got me thinking; it came after the success of ME1, and I had to wonder, is the tone and style of ME2 the original idea for ME? Is it what designers always wanted to make of the series, or is it an attempt to "casualise" the franchise, which was later rectified? And do you think MEA will have the serious tone of ME1 and 3, or be a bit over the top like ME2?

 

Less serious attitude? Did you and me play the same game? You're recruiting the deadliest people in the galaxy for a mission that noone expects you to survive, and ancient creepy aliens are abducting humans by the thousands each time to turn them into sludge.

 

And this is less serious compared to chasing after a surly Turian around the galaxy?

 

 

God.......where are you people coming from? *I'm surrounded by primitives*

[Hrulj]

Less serious attitude? Did you and me play the same game? You're recruiting the deadliest people in the galaxy for a mission that noone expects you to survive, and ancient creepy aliens are abducting humans by the thousands each time to turn them into sludge.

 

And this is less serious compared to chasing after a surly Turian around the galaxy?

Yes it is. Come on man, can you seriously look me in the eye and tell me that "This hurts you!" and "You feel this" wasnt silly beyond belief? 

Also the characters you pick up in ME2 are more like caricatures than real characters. The only ones with any reality to them were Garrus and Tali, the ME1 characters. Everyone else is just over the top

[Mcfly616]

Less serious attitude? Did you and me play the same game? You're recruiting the deadliest people in the galaxy for a mission that noone expects you to survive, and ancient creepy aliens are abducting humans by the thousands each time to turn them into sludge.

Exactly. The whole thing was a joke. 

[BloodyMares]

Yes it is. Come on man, can you seriously look me in the eye and tell me that "This hurts you!" and "You feel this" wasnt silly beyond belief? 

Also the characters you pick up in ME2 are more like caricatures than real characters. The only ones with any reality to them were Garrus and Tali, the ME1 characters. Everyone else is just over the top

While I agree with you, you're not being totally fair. Don't forget Mordin and Legion. They were excellent characters. The rest though are very cartoon-ish and cliche as it gets. Two "perfect" characters, two "noble assassins", one crazy maniac that looks like a teenager freak.

[Hrulj]

While I agree with you, you're not being totally fair. Don't forget Mordin and Legion. They were excellent characters. The rest though are very cartoon-ish and cliche as it gets. Two "perfect" characters, two "noble assassins", one crazy maniac that looks like a teenager freak.

 

Mordin was interesting, but still a bit over the top. Padok Wiks in ME3 was a better character for me than Mordin. Legion I never trusted him so I wont coment on him. Thane would be a good character without his "solipsism". That was simply too much. And again I say ME2 was not a bad game, but it was an odd one out, and it was less serious than others. It had such a tone.Apart from Garrus and Tali the only great things I remember are pushing the merc trough the windows, Sgt. Cathka and other various Renegade options. The final mission was awesome, probably the best final mission out of all 3 ME games, but that too was ruined by Human Reaper Larva. 

[Remix-General Aetius]

Yes it is. Come on man, can you seriously look me in the eye and tell me that "This hurts you!" and "You feel this" wasnt silly beyond belief? 

Also the characters you pick up in ME2 are more like caricatures than real characters. The only ones with any reality to them were Garrus and Tali, the ME1 characters. Everyone else is just over the top

 

As opposed to what......."the vanguard of your destruction", "whoa I'm feeling faint; catch me" and constantly trying to convince a group of idiots that you're more right than they are?

 

And you immediately forgetting Mordin & Legion proves you got no friggin clue what you're going on about, so this is where I stop humoring you.

[Hrulj]

As opposed to what......."the vanguard of your destruction", "whoa I'm feeling faint; catch me" and constantly trying to convince a group of idiots that you're more right than they are?

 

And you immediately forgetting Mordin & Legion proves you got no friggin clue what you're going on about, so this is where I stop humoring you.

Sovereign was a threatening and proper character. One that instills dread simply by stating its belief, without trying to convince you. Harbinger is like a clingy guy you want nothing with but he just keeps coming back.

 

I didnt say forgeting, I said that Mording isnt as good as you make him out to be, Padok Wiks being case in point. 

And Legion is just manipulative liar. 

[aoibhealfae]

ME2 throw its scifi part to the airlock and suddenly you're playing personal counselor to these 12 characters for things they could have resolve themselves but need a lot of handholding so they could do it right.

 

Why would I want Andromeda to make us play The Nanny again.

[dreamgazer]

Stating personal opinions as facts does not make them true. That is why I alluded to them in my post as "facts". To wit:

You stated "his dark energy ending was worse than the shipped ME3 endings". Got any proof?

I do: the core details of the dark energy ending, as was offered to you and you decided to ignore.
 

You stated why Drew left before the completion of ME3. Got any proof?

I only have the evidence that Drew dropped a bunch of malarkey on the series, which piled on top of itself to spectacular degrees in ME2, and decided to leave before its completion instead of sticking with the material to the end.

Considering the mess he had created and considering the nonsense of the alternative ending ideas, I don't blame him one damn bit.
 

And for logical fallacy, again, comparing an ending that does not exist to one that does is impossible. Ridiculous even.

And again, I repeat: tons upon tons of things don't exist that would assuredly be worse than things that do exist.

That's neither impossible nor ridiculous to comprehend.
 

Got another one in denial...

Yup.

[AlanC9]

Yes it is. Come on man, can you seriously look me in the eye and tell me that "This hurts you!" and "You feel this" wasnt silly beyond belief? 

We're still saying that silliness was a bad thing, right?

[Almostfaceman]

Apples and oranges. My computer isnt a synthetic/robot, nor is that the case of energy drain. More suitable example is someone cutting electricity to my city/country for 10 years. A man who hasnt eaten for 10 years is dead for 10 years and no ammount of food showelling will revive him. I can plug in my computer after 10 years of inactivity and it will work just fine if preserved from damage.

 

Also sorry for bad writting, I was on mobile last time

 

Point... missed. 

 

Synthetics would have to produce a particular type of power to exist. Without building an infrastructure to produce easy access to that power, they'll extinguish. Again, needs and limitations.

 

And no, even with your example, the computer isn't guaranteed to just turn on after 10 years of inactivity. Dust, rust, insects, previous power fluctuations all could take its toll on your PC and it could simply sit there like a brick when you plug it back in. It's happened to me.  The same problems would exist for synthetics. Mother Nature wears down everything. 

 

Your Dyson Sphere example just strengthens my point. It was a limitation of the Geth synthetics that they were trying to overcome. Due to their technical nature, the more separated by hardware they were, the more limited as beings they were. The Dyson Sphere was deemed as needed so they could fully realize what they could be as a living entity. They were experiencing limits and attempting to overcome them. 

 

Your bit about inevitable wars with synthetics is pure opinion and carries the same weight as a gypsy looking into the future with their crystal ball. None. Nobody knows what evolution or the future holds. That nonsensical certainty about the future is part of the hubris of the Reapers and the Leviathans who created them. 

[Xilizhra]

Personally, I think that ME2 made mistakes, but I also think that some of them were inevitable. For instance, Shepard couldn't figure out how to stop the Reapers in ME2, because that would cut out a great deal of drama from ME3; finding some way to kill time in ME2 was needed. I also believe that blowing up the Normandy and having Shepard work for Cerberus were both preconditions of the developers wanting a new Normandy design; having the Normandy be blown up and then having the Alliance just give you a better one would come across as completely pointless in-story, after all.

 

ME3 is really, to me, where the series went off a cliff.

[In Exile]

Is this where someone posts the "Yo Dawg" thing about synthetics?

But Drew had a stupid idea too, and at its core it was just as offensive, the idea that the Space Nazis aren't wrong to commit space genocide.

[In Exile]

If you'd like, but it's more debatable and less objective than the nonsense attached to dark energy's circular logic.

It really isn't - the level of stupid is far greater in what we got. Because it still has the same stupid logic trap, but also has insane and idiotic levels of space racism. It had additional things that make no sense, like thinking meat being special.

[In Exile]

Sovereign was a threatening and proper character. One that instills dread simply by stating its belief, without trying to convince you. Harbinger is like a clingy guy you want nothing with but he just keeps coming back.

I didnt say forgeting, I said that Mording isnt as good as you make him out to be, Padok Wiks being case in point.
And Legion is just manipulative liar.

Sovereign is a cheesy Bond villain and the dialogue is unbelievably stupid. The whole scene makes no sense and just undermined the threat of the Reapers. And Sovereign straight up beat itself - it was outright invincible and literally just had to wait out its victory before comitting suicide by Shepard.

[Xilizhra]

Sovereign is a cheesy Bond villain and the dialogue is unbelievably stupid. The whole scene makes no sense and just undermined the threat of the Reapers. And Sovereign straight up beat itself - it was outright invincible and literally just had to wait out its victory before comitting suicide by Shepard.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Shepard cut off Sovereign's control of the Citadel completely, which is why Sovereign needed to kill Shepard to undo that.

[In Exile]

Actually, I'm pretty sure Shepard cut off Sovereign's control of the Citadel completely, which is why Sovereign needed to kill Shepard to undo that.

Temporarily. But beyond that, it's still incredibly stupid. Sovereign was winning - the Alliance couldn't hurt it. It's got an army boarding the station.

[Xilizhra]

Temporarily. But beyond that, it's still incredibly stupid. Sovereign was winning - the Alliance couldn't hurt it. It's got an army boarding the station.

Shepard only needed to take control of the station temporarily, to undo Saren's hack. Without the hack, Sovereign can do nothing (otherwise, Saren wouldn't have needed to make it to the Council Chamber at all). Also, the geth who boarded the station were eventually driven back by C-SEC, and Sovereign couldn't take infinite punishment from the Fifth Fleet.

[Mcfly616]

But Drew had a stupid idea too, and at its core it was just as offensive, the idea that the Space Nazis aren't wrong to commit space genocide.

 So it was stupid because you didn't like that their means were justified....ok

 

 

It really isn't - the level of stupid is far greater in what we got. Because it still has the same stupid logic trap, but also has insane and idiotic levels of space racism. It had additional things that make no sense, like thinking meat being special.

  Looks like a bunch of blabbering. Everything you're stating as "fact" is nothing more than your own warped opinion. It's all subjective.

 

Either way you're coming off as a PC zombie. What war are you aware of that didn't involve raping, pillaging, plundering, the typical hate of those not like you and/or a case of genocide? 

 

Bioware handled war with kiddie gloves if you ask me.

[Silvos]

Less serious attitude? Did you and me play the same game? You're recruiting the deadliest people in the galaxy for a mission that noone expects you to survive, and ancient creepy aliens are abducting humans by the thousands each time to turn them into sludge.
 
And this is less serious compared to chasing after a surly Turian around the galaxy?
 
God.......where are you people coming from? *I'm surrounded by primitives*

 

• Shepard is killed then resurrected 30 seconds later for the sole reason of indebting him to SpECTRE-- I mean Cerberus
• "Shepard, we here at Cerberus can bring people back from the dead, build the most advanced ship in the galaxy and an endless array of massive space stations, operate across known space undetected, accumulate endless amounts of wealth, and BRING PEOPLE BACK FROM THE DEAD, but we can't possibly recruit a handful of people or deal with their petty problems. You really have to do this. You're the only one who can walk up to people and talk to them."
• The entire premise of a suicide mission is completely idiotic and childish. Every combat mission is a suicide mission. There's always a high possibility of death when your primary activity and goal is engage in armed combat.
• "I'm totally willing to die for you in this Suicide Mission™, but first I need you to run some errands with me, Commander. I really can't die before I finish my To-Do List."
• "I died." "I was sort of dead." "I was only mostly dead." "I almost died." Because who needs consistent narrative, amirite?
• Three hours of actual story content, fifteen hours of "Dirty Dozen" filler.
• Doesn't progress the story at all and leaves the trilogy entirely too much to be wrapped up in one game.
• Aria T'Loak. Possibly the most cringe-inducing, tryhard character BioWare has ever written.
• "Shepard is humanity's only hope! Bring him back from the dead at any cost! And then make him risk his life every 5 minutes doing things literally any of our operatives could do..."

They either tried to strike a less serious, more schlocky tone, or they were seriously inept.

[Spectr61]

I do: the core details of the dark energy ending, as was offered to you and you decided to ignore. I only have the evidence that Drew dropped a bunch of malarkey on the series, which piled on top of itself to spectacular degrees in ME2, and decided to leave before its completion instead of sticking with the material to the end.Considering the mess he had created and considering the nonsense of the alternative ending ideas, I don't blame him one damn bit. And again, I repeat: tons upon tons of things don't exist that would assuredly be worse than things that do exist.That's neither impossible nor ridiculous to comprehend. Yup.

Fact; Drew's dark energy ending never made it past the conceptual phase, therefore it is just an idea, not an actual ending.

Fact; drawing conclusions on Drew's leaving based on your personal like or dislike of his previous work is merely your opinion. Or are you a mind reader?

Fact; saying that a conceptual ending IS worse than the actual is ridiculous. A conceptual ending does not exist. It is merely an idea. You could say that the IDEA for the dark energy ending could have been worse than the actual ending, but you stated that it WAS worse. It was never extant, therefore it could never be better or worse than anything that actually exists. The idea yes, but since it was never made, who knows how it would have been fully designed and implemented? Impossible to say, lest you are a clairvoyant or a mind reader, which I doubt.

[AlanC9]

So it was stupid because you didn't like that their means were justified....ok

I thought it was because the means were silly, counterproductive, and needlessly destructive.

You're assuming that the war is necessary. What's necessary about it?

[AlanC9]

Fact; Drew's dark energy ending never made it past the conceptual phase, therefore it is just an idea, not an actual ending.
Fact; drawing conclusions on Drew's leaving based on your personal like or dislike of his previous work is merely your opinion. Or are you a mind reader?
Fact; saying that a conceptual ending IS worse than the actual is ridiculous. A conceptual ending does not exist. It is merely an idea. You could say that the IDEA for the dark energy ending could have been worse than the actual ending, but you stated that it WAS worse. It was never extant, therefore it could never be better or worse than anything that actually exists. The idea yes, but since it was never made, who knows how it would have been fully designed and implemented? Impossible to say, lest you are a clairvoyant or a mind reader, which I doubt.

How does one go from an awful basic concept to a good ending? I suppose Bio could have thrown out the basic concept and substituted a good one, but at that point we're not talking about the same ending anymore even if it shares the "dark energy" name.

But let's test it. You've got the concept. Come up with a non-awful implementation. Or use the concept from the existing endings; that might be more fun.

[Iakus]

Temporarily. But beyond that, it's still incredibly stupid. Sovereign was winning - the Alliance couldn't hurt it. It's got an army boarding the station.

Twitter-canon tells us that even without destroying the Saren sock-puppet, Fifth Fleet would have eventually killed Sovereign.  Casualties would have been a lot higher though.