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#176
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If you want to be truly accurate, Dark Energy is barely digested and never had time to work its way through the intestinal tract.

 

More like the ingredients for the dish were gathered and brought into the kitchen, but the chef decided to cook something else.


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 Yeah, you know....the one where you spend 40 hours babysitting those so-called assassins, vigilantes and violent sociopaths and helping them solve their mommy/daddy/family issues til they're finally ready to attack that lone base. Seriously serious.

 

Yeah, it's easy to make it sound stupid when you deliberately make it sound stupid. Except, you know, that's dishonest.


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The harvest is not a final solution, the synthesis or something else is. For that reason advanced organic life is needed since synthesis cant be forced. If it is not achived by the time next cycle comes around, too bad, restart the project and try again

 

No, this point is stupid. Because you haven't solved your problem of everyone killing off everyone else even if you someone blender everyone together. IRL, we don't have AI or other alien species, and we've come close to obliterating ourselves through war on several occasions. The ME3 ending is beyond stupid because it takes a fundamental problem of human existence - war, culminating in self-inflicting extinction - and attributes it to an artificial difference between groups that isn't even all that defensible when you actually allow for "aliens". It also takes the central question in fiction when it comes to AI and answers it in the stupidest way possible (i.e., to be made out of meat). 


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No, this point is stupid. Because you haven't solved your problem of everyone killing off everyone else even if you someone blender everyone together. IRL, we don't have AI or other alien species, and we've come close to obliterating ourselves through war on several occasions. The ME3 ending is beyond stupid because it takes a fundamental problem of human existence - war, culminating in self-inflicting extinction - and attributes it to an artificial difference between groups that isn't even all that defensible when you actually allow for "aliens". It also takes the central question in fiction when it comes to AI and answers it in the stupidest way possible (i.e., to be made out of meat). 

Blending people into reapers is just a means of preserving the notes, so to speak, on previous races. The Reapers seem to be capable of remembering their past, since Sovereign refers to himself as Nazara.

 

Again, Organics obliterating one another, or one Organic species destroying all other competitors is not the same as Synthetic victory. Organics still have use for other less developed organics, like animals or plants. 

Synthetics dont.



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Genocide has not been the main point in wars.  Genocide was introduced, or at least popularized (if you wanna use that term), by the nazis.  A lot of that had to do with Charles Darwin, and the speculative and misrepresented, and often misinformed, views of his theories.  

 

Look, I don't care if y'all debate history or not.   Just get your facts straight.



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Yeah, it's easy to make it sound stupid when you deliberately make it sound stupid. Except, you know, that's dishonest.

 True enough it would seem. Nearly every loyalty mission is one where we have to hold the hand of some ****** poor excuse for an adult, while we walk them through life's problems. The plot was also garbage. But we're talking about "seriousness" not that nonexistent nonsense.



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Genocide has not been the main point in wars.  Genocide was introduced, or at least popularized (if you wanna use that term), by the nazis.  A lot of that had to do with Charles Darwin, and the speculative and misrepresented, and often misinformed, views of his theories.  

 

Look, I don't care if y'all debate history or not.   Just get your facts straight.

 People can call it whatever they want. Darwin coined the term? Cool. Doesn't mean the Nazi's pioneered the practice. Groups of people have been trying to wipe out other groups of people since the beginning of time. 

 

 

Just thought I'd add that I don't think anybody here described genocide as the "main point of war". Just that it happens sometimes...amongst other messed up stuff.



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The entirety of the concept is "something something "Dark Energy" It sounds like it never got past the spitballing stage.

Take any two ideas on anything: time-travel, human cloning, alien abductions, whatever. You can make good or bad stories based on these concepts. But I'm not going to judge Dark Energy (and notice I have never said I actually like it) because we have no idea how it was going to be implemented.

OK; this means that we've never been talking about the same thing. But why is "something something Dark Energy" better than"something something synthetic-organic conflict"? If we're talking about endings that never were even conceived, either kind will do.

If you want to be truly accurate, Dark Energy is barely digested and never had time to work its way through the intestinal tract.

The ingredients were still rotten,

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Just thought I'd add that I don't think anybody here described genocide as the "main point of war". Just that it happens sometimes...amongst other messed up stuff.

 

There's one poster, Mcfly616, that I think suggests that right here, by saying it happens in every war:

 

...What war are you aware of that didn't involve raping, pillaging, plundering, the typical hate of those not like you and/or a case of genocide? 


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#185
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There's one poster, Mcfly616, that I think suggests that right here, by saying it happens in every war:

 You thought wrong. You must not read well either. Where in that post you quoted did I say " the main point of war is genocide"? Go ahead....I'll wait.

 

 

 I'm pretty sure it clearly shows that I asked you to name a single war that didn't have one of those things occurring in it....a question you've still yet to answer (probably because you can't). But go ahead and keep deflecting with some pathetic attempt to twist what I've said...



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If you want to be truly accurate, Dark Energy is barely digested and never had time to work its way through the intestinal tract.


Dark energy came out of the system, though, through interviews. In an unformed state, it plopped out of the BioWare creative digestive tract, with the consumed elements for all to see.
 

More like the ingredients for the dish were gathered and brought into the kitchen, but the chef decided to cook something else.


Not really, since the end state of the "meal" made it out of BioWare's creative machine. For this analogy to work, he'd have to just mention the ingredients, when in fact we know what the end product was going to be: the rationale, the circular logic, the end decision.

Of course, if you wish to pursue the above analogy, Drew K was prepping to cook with rancid ingredients anyway. Which leads to food poisoning, or worse, which gets us back to diarrhea.

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OK; this means that we've never been talking about the same thing. But why is "something something Dark Energy" better than"something something synthetic-organic conflict"? If we're talking about endings that never were even conceived, either kind will do.
 

I never said either was better.  I simply say we can't judge the two because one was actually developed and implemented while the other was simply an idea which never had a chance to be polished.

 

 

The ingredients were still rotten,

Your prerogative, I suppose.  But I still say organic-synthetic conflict was the one that actually gave me food poisoning.