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[Nocte ad Mortem]

The one thing I like about all bisexual options is that it allows equal choices for everyone. Otherwise, it's always the gay options that get shorted first. I would honestly rather they have all the romance options be bisexual and just have non-romance characters be gay/straight (not ALL OF THEM have to be, obviously). I don't really care about the "realism" factor of that. It's not something that seems narratively important or that even needs to come up every time if you don't pursue a romance. As far as options go, though, I really don't see the set sexualities ever favoring gay options. Look at Inquisition, twice as many male options for straight women as gay men and Iron Bull wouldn't have even been available for dwarves if an artist hadn't made it happen on their own time. If they made things balanced, then fine, but they never do and the straight options also usually end up being the most story intensive characters. 

[Toasted Llama]

 

Then there is the political correctness that DA:I is trying to shove down our throats. The gay and trans characters and their conflicts about acceptance. I mean looks guys, I am not a homophobic but these characters are clearly shoehorned into the game just to please the SJWs and not because these elements would naturally flow into the setting its part of.

 

 

Bolded is bullshit. Thedas is NOT the real world; discrimination still happens, but in a different way. Homosexuality is mostly accepted in Thedas, contrary to our own world, as are transgender individuals.

 

Sera has no conflict and just... there. Goddamn developers pleasing SJWs! Assigning random characters with random sexualities just like in real life! ARGH! </sarcasm>

 

Dorian's conflicts have to do with the fact that he is a noble/mage from Tevinter and doesn't want to raise an heir and nothing to do with the fact that he's attracted to men. The conflict adresses Tevinter's insane obsession with lineage and mages, as well as their attitude towards blood magic.

 

Krem's 'conflicts' have everything to do with the weird communist troll logic of the Qun. Do I need to refresh your mind that a female Warden can have very similar conflicts with Sten in DA:O?

[Aliceeverafter]

Well I think it's a matter of opinion really becawuse although I have played DAO and DA2 Inquisition is still my favourite one.

Exactly.

Personal preference [spoiler] It's a thing.

[AlanC9]

Origins is still vastly superior in almost every way. The combat is far from perfect, but still way better than Inquisition where horrible AI and a stupidly diluted tactics system ruins melee companions.

I don't follow that, at least WRT warriors. A sensibly built melee warrior can be quite potent. With the new Trespasser adds they can be almost invincible, even.

[Vit246]

You were going good until you mentioned the "political correctness" thing in a poorly defendable way. Now BSN is gonna act f**king arrogant and crucify you for questioning it and this thread will eventually turn away from the topic. The gayness in Dragon Age has always naturally flowed into the setting.

BUT, I will say this: Dorian's conflict can kinda give off a stronger vibe of it being more about his gayness rather than his familial duty to enter into what appears to be an inevitably loveless marriage and sire heirs for political and economic reasons. Especially since his dad not immediately respond specifically to the part where Dorian says his dad does not approve of him sleeping with men.

And frankly, Krem was shite. Little effort was put into him/her/whatever (Oops I'm gonna trigger someone aren't I?) and the first time you talk to Krem and ask an earnest question about the completely new transgender thing Krem and Iron Bull explodes into a tirade at the Player (not the Inquisitor) about it for being insensitive.

 

And yes. DAI did feel "pussified". In DAO you can do some really questionable shite. And DAI's zones frankly sucked. They were too large with almost nothing in them and there were too many superfluous zones that should've been cut out so resources could be devoted to other things like story and dialogue and actual content.

[Tidus]

Krem is what I call Cousin it. To bad BW kept that a top secrete.

 

Bisexuality would open the doors to better romance choices instead of being force either or.

 

Maybe some day BW will understand that and stop being PC.

 

The joke was me being called a racist on you tube because I stop recruiting Vivienne and I even gave the reasons. Talk about some stale air airheads being sensitive.

[daveliam]

I love how the arguments on BSN go around sexuality:

 

• Game features mostly bisexual LI's
  • "That's not realistic!  Why are there so many bisexual people?!?  There would never be that many bisexual people in a group!  Why can't they have a variety of sexualities?"
• Game features a variety of sexualities
  • "But this is a game!  It shouldn't be realistic!  If I want to romance the lesbian with a male character, I should be able to do that!  Why can't all of the characters be bisexual!?!?"

Never change, BSN.  Never change......

[sjsharp2011]

Guys and Gals, If I may.. DA:O is a class in its self  and DA:I is not DA:O. I find the battle button controls acceptable  I never use the tactical cam since I prefer free style mêlée fighting since the battles go smoother and faster since the NPC are free to fight on their own.

 

As I mention in another topic several months back DA:I would probably be a game I'll play 2-3 times a year. I was wrong seeing  I'm on my 12th game. I find it just as enjoyable as DA:O, DA:A,  Final Fantasy 10,10-2 and 12 my top favorite games. DA:2 is a game I can not stay interested in playing.

 

On the other hand DA:I is massive and full of comical errors like walking on air, placing the hands through the leg or standing on tables.

 

Then there's those WTH moments in DA:O and DA:I where the writers flub up their own story lines.

 

DA:I is indeed massive like I already mention and after 12 games I'm still finding stuff and areas I never been in even though I thought I explored every area thoroughly.

 

If one plays DA:I as a separate  game it can be quite enjoyable. I compared DA:O against Final Fantasy 12 and found DA:O lacking in many areas. I then decided to play DA:O without comparing to FF12 and immediately fell in love with the game. Same applied to DA:I vs. DA:O. 

 

If BW wants to have gays then make every character bisexual for those of us that may want (as example) our Elven male Inquisitor to romance Sera.  They did this in DA:O with Leliana, Zevran, Alistair and the PC.

yeah I'm on my 8th playthrough of DAI started it last night after finishing my latest DA2 run. Haven't go ttoo far just yet but I'm just about to unlock Val Royeaux.

[actionhero112]

Still no harem end smh. Gaider, I rest on a mountain of dakimakuras every night, rocked to sleep gently by my waifus. It affronts me that you don't accommodate this in your game, and this is honestly my prime concern with DA4. I know you're not head writer anymore, but you're my last hope after Patrick Englishlastname blocked me on twitter for memeing in his mentions too much. Please make him see reason Gaider. This isn't about me and my poorly washed face anymore. Do it for the waifus. Do it for true love.

 

Regards,

actionhero112

[vbibbi]

Lol

 

"I'm not homophobic but..." is becoming a meme

 

Bolded is bullshit. Thedas is NOT the real world; discrimination still happens, but in a different way. Homosexuality is mostly accepted in Thedas, contrary to our own world, as are transgender individuals.

 

Sera has no conflict and just... there. Goddamn developers pleasing SJWs! Assigning random characters with random sexualities just like in real life! ARGH! </sarcasm>

 

Dorian's conflicts have to do with the fact that he is a noble/mage from Tevinter and doesn't want to raise an heir and nothing to do with the fact that he's attracted to men. The conflict adresses Tevinter's insane obsession with lineage and mages, as well as their attitude towards blood magic.

 

Krem's 'conflicts' have everything to do with the weird communist troll logic of the Qun. Do I need to refresh your mind that a female Warden can have very similar conflicts with Sten in DA:O?

 

His personal quest has nothing to do with being gay? Really?

[tanzensehen]

Dorian's conflicts have to do with the fact that he is a noble/mage from Tevinter and doesn't want to raise an heir and nothing to do with the fact that he's attracted to men. The conflict adresses Tevinter's insane obsession with lineage and mages, as well as their attitude towards blood magic.

Krem's 'conflicts' have everything to do with the weird communist troll logic of the Qun. Do I need to refresh your mind that a female Warden can have very similar conflicts with Sten in DA:O?

About Dorian: Yes and No. Halward would have flipped a table even if Dorian was straight/bi and refused to marry, but he turns to blood magic because Dorian is gay so it was impossible for him to marry any woman for love and he refused a political marriage. And his personal quest is about the blood ritual his father tried to perform.
Even if Halward was okay with Dorian being gay on a personal level, that's still the reason why he wanted to change him.
(Also Dorian has to struggle and is considered a pariah because he doesn't adhere to Tevinter's standards...because he is gay).

Also... Krem had to leave Tevinter because a healer wanted to report him becausd of his biological sex. His only problem at the moment is a father who had to sell himself into slavery to support his family. The whole Qunari thing is Bull's thing.

[Vit246]

delete.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I dunno - I can't remember any decent in game justification as to why Connor was fine despite leaving him for the couple of weeks it must've taken to go fetch all the mages needed to save him without blood magic. Nor, for that matter, do I remember any real explanation as to how you conveniently only manage to save mages who aren't possessed/blood magic users during Broken Circle. And even if there are explanations, that doesn't mean that they are justified. And, you know, even if they are justified, that doesn't make them dark or tragic, which is fundamentally what this discussion is about.

 

And I'm not denying that people died, particularly in the opening and in the side stories. But I was focusing on the main story of the game. And in said story, while the background and opening are dark, tragic and full of nasty things, once the player is involved, things go pretty much perfectly unless you deliberately go out of your way to make things bad.

 

 

I never claimed DAO was dark only that the perfect resolutions of some of it's quests (Connor,Dalish,Mages) are to me justified.

 

The desire demon went crazy for the repetitive attempt of Isolde to interfere between it and Connor that made it angry and it became quiet only when she stopped to interfere.The demon was dormant within him and did not wanted to fight and risk to harm the host in fact it  had fear just speak with Connor.If a deal is made with the demon it remain dormant for a decade so not sure where is the problem into believing that is possible that Connor remained quiet for some weeks if you go to the circle after Isolde stopped to distress the child?

Cause-effect You remove Isolde the demon stop into being stressed and behave with rage and out of fear.

 

 

All the mages abominations were killed there were no dormant mage abominations because they were literally magically infected by Uldred.

It was a situation of abominations and normal mages because the demons were summoned only by Uldred and used to transform directly the mages.There was no demonic manipulation involved (standard possession of mages) it was a forced merging that caused the creation of abominations.Both Gregoir,Cullen and Irving gave you reassurances that there are no demons inside the mages and i believe they all understand more about it than the warden.

 

 

That's also not true there are plenty of people that die during the main storyline both in-screen and off-screen that you think their death is not impactful because they are unimportant npc doesn't change the facts...

(the templar in lothering,the dalish wife,some of the dwarves of Orzamar ,the people on fort Drakon,some people in Redclieffe...ecc...)

[AlanC9]

His personal quest has nothing to do with being gay? Really?

Nothing much. Change Dorian to a straight woman and you'd need to alter... two lines? Straight male would be about the same, but we're doing a "princess in arranged marriage" plot, right?

[vbibbi]

Nothing much. Change Dorian to a straight woman and you'd need to alter... two lines? Straight male would be about the same, but we're doing a "princess in arranged marriage" plot, right?

 
Seriously? This is the quest with the (in)famous "I prefer the company of men" and can initiate the romance for a male Inquisitor. It's the first thing Dorian says, before mentioning anything about blood magic. He uses it as a segue to explain why his father tried to change him and why he left.

 

 

So yeah, we could swap out his sexuality and only give up about half of the dialogue of the scene.

[SmilesJA]

I thought it was less about Dorian's sexuality and more about the fact that the family can't continue.

[Lunatica]

 

 

DA2 is the only part of the trilogy with a genuinely dark story - it's a story about limitations, about hopelessness. It's a story without heroes. It says that in the end, you can't save the world, you can't save the people you care about. That while you're not without influence, ultimately, you can't truly change things. You're just one man, and one man isn't enough. That is way darker than anything in Origins.

 

I didn't like Hawke's story in DA2. There was a huge dissonance between the main story content and both side quests and combat. Outside of the main path Hawke can do anything; slay high dragons, kill ancient demons like Hybris and Xebencek, resolve all companions pressing personal issues. The main story is all about how Hawke can't do things,sometime with little explanation as to why not. 

There are ways to make enforced player failure a good part of the story. DA2 was not one of them.

[Lunatica]

 

Bisexuality would open the doors to better romance choices instead of being force either or.

 

Insane troll logic......

[nightscrawl]

Seriously? This is the quest with the (in)famous "I prefer the company of men" and can initiate the romance for a male Inquisitor. It's the first thing Dorian says, before mentioning anything about blood magic. He uses it as a segue to explain why his father tried to change him and why he left.
 

Spoiler

 
So yeah, we could swap out his sexuality and only give up about half of the dialogue of the scene.

Not really related, but I find it humorous that the video is listed as being in nightmare mode, but there is no combat in the quest XD.

[AlanC9]

Seriously? This is the quest with the (in)famous "I prefer the company of men" and can initiate the romance for a male Inquisitor. It's the first thing Dorian says, before mentioning anything about blood magic. He uses it as a segue to explain why his father tried to change him and why he left.

So yeah, we could swap out his sexuality and only give up about half of the dialogue of the scene.

Seriously. It's a change in the dialogue, but the plot works just the same either way. I'm assuming we're not doing the romance, of course.

[BansheeOwnage]

*Reads*

 

DA: I on the other hand, feels very.. pussified. I mean sure there are some elements in it that might be be similar like the WIcked Eye quest where you have people plotting behind each others back, but for some reason... I don't get that vibe where its depressing.

 

 

*Continues reading*

 

Then there is the political correctness that DA:I is trying to shove down our throats. The gay and trans characters and their conflicts about acceptance. I mean looks guys, I am not a homophobic but these characters are clearly shoehorned into the game just to please the SJWs and not because these elements would naturally flow into the setting its part of.

 

 

[BansheeOwnage]

I love how the arguments on BSN go around sexuality:

 

• Game features mostly bisexual LI's
  • "That's not realistic!  Why are there so many bisexual people?!?  There would never be that many bisexual people in a group!  Why can't they have a variety of sexualities?"
• Game features a variety of sexualities
  • "But this is a game!  It shouldn't be realistic!  If I want to romance the lesbian with a male character, I should be able to do that!  Why can't all of the characters be bisexual!?!?"

Never change, BSN.  Never change......

To be fair, those arguments are generally from different people. Same with most "inconsistencies" on any forum. Remember, we're not a hivemind

[vbibbi]

Seriously. It's a change in the dialogue, but the plot works just the same either way. I'm assuming we're not doing the romance, of course.

So there actually is some involvement with Dorian's homosexuality and it's more than just two lines of dialogue to change?

[Ghost Gal]

How did a thread about the technical, aesthetic, combat, story, and character choices in DAI that differed from DAO turn into a fight about how companion sexualities are handled in the DA series?

 

I kind of miss the dark and bloody aesthetics of DAO, and having more than just two binary choices (that quickly turn out to be meaningless since the outcome's the same) once every major quest, having secondary quests that involve more quest solutions and roleplaying than "Please fetch this for me!" *gets it and brings it back*

 

And to be honest I found most DAI companions to be more blandly written than previous games, and I kind of miss the feeling of "fellowship" in DAO. If you get your approval high enough with them it feels like you're True Companions wandering the world together, forging friendships that're implied to last for life even if you go your separate ways. In DAI, everyone either puts you on a pedastal as "THE HERALD OF ANDRASTE," (especially Varric) or they treat you like "the boss" (especially Bull) and once Trespasser ends everyone goes on with their lives with nary a backwards glance except Leli, Cassandra, Harding, and your LI if Cassandra ain't it. In DAI you never felt like you became close to or good friends with any of your companions or advisers unless you romanced them, except for maybe Cassandra and Dorian. I miss the close friendships of DAO.

 

On the other hand, DAI brought back race selection and canned the "Mass Effect with swords" attempt with DA2, and got rid of that RIDICULOUS, POINTLESSLY DREARLY DA2 PLOT, so it all evens out for me.

[nightscrawl]

In DAI you never felt like you became close to or good friends with any of your companions or advisers unless you romanced them, except for maybe Cassandra and Dorian.

I agree that both of those friendship arcs are VERY strong and there was the feeling that they both appreciated the Inquisitor as a friend at the end. This is especially true for Cassandra since she starts out antagonistic. I'd give Sera some points as well because of the content of the cookies scene and such, but I'm not that crazy about her to begin with, so it's difficult for me to feel very strongly about it. Cole is in a category all his own, I think, due to his circumstances.

Everyone else does feel very much of a leader/subordinate relationship, though, regardless of how friendly they are.

 

But... I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. You are the Inquisitor and the leader of the whole thing. You literally ARE everyone's boss. My Inquisitor doesn't think of either Dorian (boyfriend) or Cassandra (close friend) as his subordinate, but he is their leader nonetheless.