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A step in the right direction: Dragon Age: Inquisition


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Sten and Bull are not at odds. Stens issue is that the Warden insists she's a woman despite being a warrior. The Qun is also only accepting of transgenderism if it follows suit: a man who is a soldier would not be allowed to transition to being a female, or would not be allowed to remain a soldier. Krem is a soldier who calls himself a man, so no conflict with the Qun.

 

Much more nicely and cleanly put than my post.



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Much more nicely and cleanly put than my post.


I think more along the lines that Bull's distaste for some of the forced adherence is what gets him in trouble with more "conservative" Qunari. It is easy to see Bull's distaste for what would happen to people like Sera.
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I think more along the lines that Bull's distaste for some of the forced adherence is what gets him in trouble with more "conservative" Qunari. It is easy to see Bull's distaste for what would happen to people like Sera.

 

True. My less than articulate point was that the revelations in DAI don't retcon what Sten tells us about the Qun.

 

And yeah - as to that aspect, it's still pretty damn dark.



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True. My less than articulate point was that the revelations in DAI don't retcon what Sten tells us about the Qun.
 
And yeah - as to that aspect, it's still pretty damn dark.


I understood your clarification. Just wanted to make sure that wasn't the conflict I had in mind between Bull and many Qunari.

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If you make a game that is based on story and then the story suck it doesn't matter how progressive the gender politics of the game is - it still sucks.


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If you make a game that is based on story and then the story suck it doesn't matter how progressive the gender politics of the game is - it still sucks.

 

Fortunately dragon age inquisition story did not suck


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So it shouldn't learn from one of the best games out there?
Funny things, opinions.... Means quite a few people hope ME:A is even half as good as Inquisition and its greatness.


And what's so great about inquisition? It's vast lifeless areas? MMO-style boring, repetitive quests? Collect 10 flowers/20 rocks? Mediocre story and cliche villain? Squad mates who talked a lot, but rarely had anything interesting to say? Over the top, in-your-face SJW agenda? I played almost 90 hours of DAI, but never finished it. Was to bored to continue.
But, like you said: "opinions". Just like a...holes, everyone has one, and none thinks their stinks...
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Over the top, in-your-face SJW agenda? 

 

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Does SJW mean something at this moment... Oh wait it does not because its just a pejorative term for person anyone disagree with.


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SJW = Some Jerkwad Wanking?

;)

Moderation is key.
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Removed. It's probably for the best that I leave this thread be. I appreciate the likes, but I don't really want to get that involved in a debate I'm utterly burned out on.
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Although I bash Inquisition at every opportunity, I must say this.

The lore and basic atmosphere and major concepts in Dragon Age, especially the events in Trespasser, blow Witcher 3 Continent out of the water.

Thedas is fascinating, deep, romantic, epic. There are so many amazing implications in the Dragon Age universe.

Witcher 3 has a large world, but it doesn't have a truly singular characterized universe that pulls you in like Thedas does. Yeah, technically in all aspects Witcher 3 beat da:I but I can't bring myself to play it more than 2 times, and I'm certainly not obsessively lurking threads with thousand-word essays on ancient peoples of the Witcher Continent like I do for Arlathan, Titans, etc.

The addiction factor.
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Dragon Age: Inquisition proved to be one of the most endearing, thought provoking gaming experiences I've had in a long time. I find it hard to play any other game because of this.

The only BioWare games I have ever played are the Mass Effect trilogy.I wasn't interested in Dragon Age but I decided to give Inquisition a go and I am glad I did so.

Inquisition in my opinion is a symbol of a transitioning culture. Womens in the game are treated with much more respect in their representation as opposed to what we saw in Mass Effect, where an entire race was invented to appease sexists and misogynists. The one example of a genetically modified transhuman was shown to be but an artificial sex doll with a personality that revolved around insecurities about men, no thanks to her father.

 

This is crucial as we make the transition into a much more respectful, unified society. Other points I'd like to touch on is diversity. There is much thoughtfulness and artistry put into this game it is simply mindblowing. BioWare created a perfect balance between gameplay, plot and diverse character representation. By creating open but limited open worlds and reducing much of the plots for quests to codex entries allowed greater focus on the progressive and moral examples of the characters and the story. For instance, we have Vivienne. She is an intelligent circle mage who understands the importance of the circle and why it is necessary. She is also a person of color. To me this is a fantastic representation of a diverse characer.

 

Cassandra was also a high point. Finally a strong, down to earth realistic female charaacer, definied by her strong faith and her hardened exterior, prove to be much more complex as we learn she has an appreciation for romantic ideals.

 

Josephine the most beautiful romance I have ever experienced. Ever since Mass Effect I was reluctant to do romance as the sex scenes always make me feel uncomfortable. I always hoped that one day BioWare would write a romance where the peoples don't have sex. She is also a person of colour, an intelligent women with a great unerstanding of politics.

 

I also like how BioWare allowed us as player charactrs to give people second chances and redeem them as was the case with Blackwall. Everybody deserves a second chance and Blackwall understood the errors of his ways although he was secretive about his identity.

 

In a nutshell this is the direction BioWare should strive in. Condense gameplay but obvisly make it fun, while writing story and characters who are diverse. Give us great examples of accepting and understanding diffrent people. I'm not saying Dragon Age: Inquisition was perfect by the way. Because it isn't. Exaample is Sera. I don't understand why she was in this game not only did she not fit the Inquisition she did not fit the message that this game conveys. There are no place for bigots in this cultural shift we are experiencing. Some say that she was put in the game to appeal to these type of peoples and men with lesbian fantasies and I am of the opinion that this is wrong. Her transphobic attitude was utterly offensive and she isn't very mature. Lesbians deserve a much better representation in my opinion.

 

Overrall I hope the team working on Mass Effect Andromeda will take a leaft out of Dragon Age: Inquistion and use it as a building block to be better.

So NPCs and people who don't conform to your ideology should not exist? Okay thought police.

 

BTW, Dragon Age Inquisition sucks compared to TW3.


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Same with Mass Effect.

Like ok, super excited for cyberpunk. Gonna be a sexy time. My breath will be sucked away.

But my feels for Krogans and Turians rly can't be surpassed any time soon.
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BTW, Dragon Age Inquisition sucks compared to TW3.

 

In your opinion.  ;)


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Dapper Turian Gentlemen hardened by first contact war feels <3

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SJW = Some Jerkwad Wanking?
;)
Moderation is key.


SJW = Social Justice Warrior, smart-ass. An ultra left morons who shove their agenda to every medium they can, even down the throat of video games with a middle age setting. DA setting is not a progressive, modern day, "everyone is equall", tolerant one. The lore of DAO already established that bigotry, racism, intolerance, misogyny, homophobia etc. is part of that universe. And there comes DAI and contradicts it all.
And what did you mean by "moderation is key"?
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Let's stay on topic people.



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SJW = Social Justice Warrior, smart-ass.


Yes, I'm very aware.

And what did you mean by "moderation is key"?


That moderation is key.

It's not an all-or-nothing topic. There's a big middle ground between the SJW crowd and the Gamergate crowd.
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Yes, I'm very aware.


That moderation is key.

It's not an all-or-nothing topic. There's a big middle ground between the SJW crowd and the Gamergate crowd.

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SJW = Social Justice Warrior, smart-ass. An ultra left morons who shove their agenda to every medium they can, even down the throat of video games with a middle age setting. DA setting is not a progressive, modern day, "everyone is equall", tolerant one. The lore of DAO already established that bigotry, racism, intolerance, misogyny, homophobia etc. is part of that universe. And there comes DAI and contradicts it all.
And what did you mean by "moderation is key"?

 

And when there is misoginy, homophobia in DAO, just curious.

 

Actually DAI is the only instances where there is homophobia and even then its only the father of dorian who is intolerant, and even then its more complicated, with tevinter, its just that they want descendant to perpetuate the family name, not because they are disgusted by homosexuality.

 

There was not homophobia before in DAO, unless you want to show me an exemple.

 

Racism exist in DAI, the noble in halamshiral will whisper their prejudice against the inquisitor even if he is a non mage human and its the same for the nun in Val royaux.

 

The thedas world is only partially inspire by our middle age, not totally. Thedas history is different than our own history and the world is ****** different.



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Mass Effect forum-goers fall for the troll thread, as always. They feed it a bit, and now it has turned into a full on DA discussion. Sigh.

Shall we have it moved into the DAI section of the forums?
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You sure we played the same game? Lol you've got a good imagination bro, I'll give you that.

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In your opinion.  ;)

 

Well, yes. Do people really need to start beginning every post with "in my opinion" now? I'm wondering because I also get the "In your opinion" response fairly regularly on the BSN to things that are obviously just an opinion. It shouldn't need to be stated.


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Wow no need to resort to personal attacks. /Smh
And for your information I do not dislike Miranda I felt sorry for her and have issues with how she is written BioWare clearly had the perfect on the outside insecure on the inside trope and sterotype in mind which is magical cured by Shepherd's penis same with Jack as for Liara she was written for a different grohp of male fanservice,the 'barely legal' juvenile virgin girl. And then we have the repulsive ardat yackshee which paints womens as nymphomamic psychopaths at least in Samara's case she tried to justify it with a moral code but it still fell short with those gigantic breasts in your face all the time and nobody can deny the camera panning onto Miranda's backside often.

Given that this was the early days of significant cultural change I can look beyond that and accept it but those novelties that sexualised perverts once enjoyed are a thing of the past. Dragon Age Inquisition while not perfect even from a sort of progressive standpoint is the building blocks for the future in gaming where game devs and artistes everywhere take respomsability for the message conveyed we no longer live in a society where things like rape and treating women as sex objects is socially acceptable and this starts with sending a clear message through written works and artfoorms like games and movies.

There will always be bigots but they no longer have voice in these times. Cultural acceptance of peoples and they're identies,sexual orirntations,ebonicsand religions is the future.

 

 

If you are so "accepting" than why do you condemn sexuality (is it not women themselves who "advertise" by making themselves more beautiful (even with plastics surgery and bottox etc.), wearing sexy (and even "slutty") clothes etc.? I mean give a woman no attention and she's miffed, even more if she spent literally HOURS for that "perfect" look - give her too much an you are a creep...sorry ladies: Can't have it both ways!)...if a man does it it's bad, if a woman does it it's good? (so if a men draws a nude picture he's an ******* and should be castrated or what, if he draws a lewd picture with boobs etc.?)

 

Tropes aren't bad, if well executed -.- (I know that some people don't like certain tropes, I am among those, too - I hate fanfiction-slash for example - but basing your arguments on that isn't great, because other's might still like the finished product!)

 

You are almost as bad with ME-Character as I am with Harry Potter ones (I like that universe, but I hate almost all the characters!)!

 

Also: Stop trying to use humanities POV to judge the characters (Asari aren't just blue humans, so judging Samara and Morinth (note: I hate how she was treated by the writers, she making her a named Banshee in ME3 if you chose her is a slap in the face - even more so as Samara might have potentially killed you when her vow ends, so getting rid of her isn't a bad idea if you aren't the most law-abiding Shepard!) from a human stand-point is WRONG!)

 

Treating women as sex-objects: They do the same to men! (Especially famous ones who are also good looking, like say Pierce Brosnan!) It's nothing to be ashamed off IMHO (as long as you don't try that in your personal relationships!) - Also: Sex sells and it always will (also nothing to be ashamed off - it's normal, unless you are a-sexual or have had your sexual organs removed (eunuch!))

 

Showing boobs etc. isn't perferted, it's sexy (do you live in the US-Bible-Belt? I mean you sure do sound sexually repressed - get laid god damned - and insecure (in a way like Miranda!))

 

Sure, the bigots have no voice - BS! Radical Feminists have a good plattform sadly and politicians love spewing the same bullshit (Wage-Gap - disproven millions of times, but they still use that trash in elections etc.) so the bigots are heard and have influence, it's just different bigots this time!

 

I agree with the last sentence, but: You sure as hell don't seem too accepting of heterosexual men (!) you call stuff they like perverted and wrong etc. etc...so get off your high horse and leave people who aren't sexually repressed (note: I've grown up a catholic, so I was somewhat repressed, hell I didn't even know what TABLE-DANCE was until I was 17 and people made fun of me because I told them - when they said that they'd take me to see some table dance - that I can't dance...so I'd know a thing or two about that (luckily sex-ed is mandatory in German schools, no exceptions, not even for private catholic schools and also luckily my parents anticipated my questions and gave me a book about sex for teenage boys!)) alone (if you don't want to see boobs etc. in games: Stop playing games for adults!)


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Well, yes. Do people really need to start beginning every post with "in my opinion" now? I'm wondering because I also get the "In your opinion" response fairly regularly on the BSN to things that are obviously just an opinion. It shouldn't need to be stated.

 

Some people think their opinion is objective truth and will react violently to someone else saying the opposite (That is why some people prefer to precise it's just their opinion). 

 

And especially on a game as divisive as DAI, I was in the youtube comments DAI, you would be surprise how many assholes think DAI is objectively bad and lose their **** when someone says they enjoy the game, accusing anyone of being sell out for saying they like DAI.

 

There is no problem in thinking DAI is a bad game, there is one if you lose self control when someone says he enjoy DAI, Jim sterling on that :

 

 

Angry joe for exemple has been accused many times of being paid by EA for his review of DAI, even if he has been a firm critics of EA for years.

 


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