Prolly gonna get blasted but…oh well…
DAI was indeed progressive in terms of gender. In terms of race…meh, not so much, but OK. Well done Bioware for making cool female characters that are more than just sex dolls.
HOWEVER…
DAI was utterly and completely boring. There was nothing at stake in terms of the CHARACTERS.
For me, a good RPG has something more than just a group of progressive folks. It has risk. It has CONSEQUENCES. It has gravitas.
And the DAI characters, while ‘progressive’, were a friggen snooze-fest. No one had strong opinions. No one was a jerk. Everyone was just so understanding (with the possible exception of Sera) that they were just…blah. Absolutely nothing was at stake in terms of your relationship with them.
No one walked out when I allied with the mages. Despite the fact that magic is supposed to be a super controversial thing in this world. No one came down on me for destroying the qunari alliance by saving my crew. Varric didn’t walk out one me even though I let his best friend die! My actions NEVER changed any of my relationships AT ALL. They all remained with me and they all lived.
Such noble folks. Yawn.
My first play through or ME1? I had to kill Wrex!! Why? I couldn’t talk him down and had to kill him. And I was DEVASTATED because I really liked Wrex and understood where he was coming from. That sucked. It had gravitas.
In ME1 you have to choose between 2 squadmates. Life or death. Someone does not get a happy ending. Gravitas.
My first run of ME2? Lost 2 squadmates because I risked the relay before finishing a few personal quests. I was so torn. I had to get to my captured people as soon as possible, but I knew there still some issues on the ship’s crew. But a decision had to be made and I made it. It was harsh, but it had to be done. Again, gravitas.
In ME3, my decisions decided the fate of an entire species? And I lost alliances to save the Krogan. Why? Because I loved Wrex and I felt that his death in ME1 should mean something. I wanted to make it up to him and his people. It had major feels!
And choosing between the Geth and the quarians? Synthetic versus organic? In my opinion, this was rich and complex. ..and a helluva lot better done than the mage versus templar stuff in DAI.
Yes, there was the nipple shirt of Jack, the never-ending butt-crack of Miranda, and the vagina of the sex-bot Edi. Those were bad. I agree. I agree with the sentiment that we should have more in depth characters who are more than sex objects or meatheads. By all means, be progressive. But please...don’t give me a cast of watered down characters to do it.
Even if it were a serious thread... I just can't agree with the sexist/bigot nature of it at all..... ME was awesome and had great characters regardless of sex or orientation just like DA:I.
Dragon Age: Inquisition had it's fair share of tragdeties too,though the outcomes of choice came later in Trespass downloadable content. Whether Marydan started a relationship with Krem or Cole for instance depand on whether the chargers were sacrifice and whether you choose to make Cole spirit or more human. Cullen could die if you didn't help him through his lyrium addiction which btw is an example of excellent progressive storytelling as you could help Cassandra support him an manage his drug addiction.Iron Bull could turn on you if you encourage him to support Qunari rather than charges.
Mass Effect was extremely sexist in many ways all the woman throw themselves at Shepard, Asari were depicted as poledancer and extremely fetishised by the charcaters of the world an in ME3 Ashley who was a great charcater in ME1 was retconned and depicted as sexualised as a sex doll in ME3 not to mention the first lesbian charcater Samantha Traynor who was obvisly put into the game for male fanservice an innaproprite lesbian fetishisazation.
This thread is about DAI, but just in passing:
- Geralt is a thoughtful and sympathetic character in the world of the Witcher...
- Whilst the world can be brutal, Geralt stands up for persecuted minorities (including some creatures/monsters).
- With some irony he's trying to rescue his daughter who is (potentially) more powerful than he is.
- CD Projekt Red has shown great respect for the source material and the world in which the Witcher plays out.
- I loved DAI but on balance, I'd say the Witcher III is the better game (both are good).
That's not to say that on youtube and some forums that TW3 was seen as a 'poster boy' for some bigoted gamers
which is a shame because that was not what the game was actually like.
I'm presuming you've never played the game as your views seem to be totally out of step with reality?
I watch many Youtube vids from certified intellectuals,mostly people who dabble in sociology and politics who also play games and review them. I also watched a lets play and your point seems wrong and while I aknowledge that not everything is bad about the game and could have some positive points a majority of it was grim and offensive so I wont be giving my moneys to CD projec red however I have faith that they could learn to move with the times.
The only thing that felt out of place was the Qun and the Transgender arc. Otherwise I felt they did a good job with the social issues.
BioWare retconned the Qunari faith to move with current viewpoints and beliefs. They emulated this remember Origins took place ten years before Sten is very different from Iron Bull. The Qunari are more progressive while maintaining core beliefs they make room and diversify for others.
Please. Dragon Age Inquisition was a step backwards in storytelling. Huge areas of open expanse that are filled with nothing. Purposeless fetch / kill quests. Generic epic fantasy storyline. The loss of the gothic horror atmosphere that filled DA:O and DA 2.
Dragon Age Inquisition was generic filler. The characters weren't that memorable. If anything, the lesbian elf girl whom you call a "bigot" was a nuanced, interesting character if you bothered to look past the surface of her abrasive attitude.
And hint: the world is more complex than your whitewashed, pollyanna-ish, green lawn and white picket fences "Oh we're all going to get along wonderfully" vision of reality. It always will be. Telling Bioware to shy away from that is to tell them "Stop making interesting stories and characters."
I know and as I said in previous post they can depict a complex world by other means like many dark an grim things happen throughout the world but most of the content was reduced to codex entries also they depicted social issues such as racism in a way that won't send the wrong massage to persons of colors.
I don't really understand why one should be seen as "freeing up room" for the other. Many of the open-world combat missions in DAI were only tangential to the main plot, and most of the character and romance scenes were either at the Inquisition's HQ (the town where they're stationed at the beginning and later Skyhold) or part of the main quest. In terms of keeping the programming load manageable, I'd have opted for reducing the overall number of sidequests but adding more detail to the ones that were kept.
Because game devs have restricted budgets and it's obvious BioWare are writing stories to appeal to the current changing dynamic if there were thousand of cutscenes an plot relevant quests they wouldn't be able to get their positive massages across to the fanbase.
If you are so "accepting" than why do you condemn sexuality (is it not women themselves who "advertise" by making themselves more beautiful (even with plastics surgery and bottox etc.), wearing sexy (and even "slutty") clothes etc.? I mean give a woman no attention and she's miffed, even more if she spent literally HOURS for that "perfect" look - give her too much an you are a creep...sorry ladies: Can't have it both ways!)...if a man does it it's bad, if a woman does it it's good? (so if a men draws a nude picture he's an ******* and should be castrated or what, if he draws a lewd picture with boobs etc.?)
Tropes aren't bad, if well executed -.- (I know that some people don't like certain tropes, I am among those, too - I hate fanfiction-slash for example - but basing your arguments on that isn't great, because other's might still like the finished product!)
You are almost as bad as I am with ME-Character as I am with Harry Potter ones (I like that universe, but I hate almost all the characters!)!
Also: Stop trying to use humanities POV to judge the characters (Asari aren't just blue humans, so judging Samara and Morinth (note: I hate how she was treated by the writers, she making her a named Banshee in ME3 if you chose her is a slap in the face - even more so as Samara might have potentially killed you when her vow ends, so getting rid of her isn't a bad idea if you aren't the most law-abiding Shepard!) from a human stand-point is WRONG!)
Treating women as sex-objects: They do the same to men! (Especially famous ones who are also good looking, like say Pierce Brosnan!) It's nothing to be ashamed off IMHO (as long as you don't try that in your personal relationships!) - Also: Sex sells and it always will (also nothing to be ashamed off - it's normal, unless you are a-sexual or have had your sexual organs removed (eunuch!))
Showing boobs etc. isn't perferted, it's sexy (do you live in the US-Bible-Belt? I mean you sure do sound sexually repressed - get laid god damned - and insecure (in a way like Miranda!))
Sure, the bigots have no voice - BS! Radical Feminists have a good plattform sadly and politicians love spewing the same bullshit (Wage-Gap - disproven millions of times, but they still use that trash in elections etc.) so the bigots are heard and have influence, it's just different bigots this time!
I agree with the last sentence, but: You sure as hell don't seem too accepting of heterosexual men (!) you call stuff they like perverted and wrong etc. etc...so get off your high horse and leave people who aren't sexually repressed (note: I've grown up a catholic, so I was somewhat repressed, hell I didn't even know what TABLE-DANCE was until I was 17 and people made fun of me because I told them - when they said that they'd take me to see some table dance - that I can't dance...so I'd know a thing or two about that (luckily sex-ed is mandatory in German schools, no exceptions, not even for private catholic schools and also luckily my parents anticipated my questions and gave me a book about sex for teenage boys!)) alone (if you don't want to see boobs etc. in games: Stop playing games for adults!)
I know Asaris are not human however you must keep in mind that they were created by human minds like all fictions and the way they were put was inaccurate and inapproprate there should be more focus on how intellignt and powerful they are instead they made a point of showing us the asaris consort who is a prostitute and that was wrong considering how many womem are forced into prostitution becaue they arent taken seriously or respected enough to get a job.
Showing nudity is fine as long as both parties involve consent and it's something that should be enjoyed between those parties not flaunted in public as it is disrepecful. I have no problem with nudity though i prefer chaste romance liike Josephine I haev more of a problem with the camera panning on Mirana's backside or their cleavage. I point to Dragon Age Inquisition on how to do romances properly there needs to be more charcaters like Cassandra and Josephine and despite my issues with Sera's characer I appreciate that she too wasnt sexualised and rather her innapropriate jokes were part of heer personality.
Also the wage gap issue is very real whoever is saying it isn't is clearly pushing a sexist patricarcal agenda because they cling to the zeitgheist of yesterday and deny new values. They obviously have access to the rich straight mens wallets and will say anything to make a dollar.
I have nothing against heterosexual men I am an asexual heteromantic after all. My issue doesn't lie with men being sexually attracted to womems it's about the lack of respect and only seeing a backside or a pair of breast ratheer than the persons inside.
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