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[AnotherScarab]

As many of you know there are a lot of theories as to when Andromeda takes place, and how it relates to the first three games and Mass Effect 3 (ME 3) in specific. The one that seems most likely right now is that the Ark was sent before the ending to make sure that the choices made in ME 3 doesn't affect the story; mainly, due to inconsistencies in the outcomes of ME 3. So, I would say... from a logical point of view, that it is rather likely that they sent the Ark before the ending of ME 3 to prevent that. http://www.eurogamer...e-of-me3-ending

Which leads me to ask: why is there a Krogan teammate, and why do you see other Krogans in the trailers/teasers so far?

First of all, the Andromeda mission should – with the aforementioned information – be an effort to colonize and save intelligent species of the Milky Way, and should therefore have been designed with the Milky Way's imminent doom in mind. The ones that are sent are the ones that will survive and from there procreate. Then why is a sterile race (they are practically sterile), such as the Krogan, on this mission? Why don't we see other fertile races instead?

“But, the Genophage was cured in ME 3!” Yes, and no. It was up to the player to cure it or not, and depending upon when the Ark ships were launched there should be no fertile Krogans either way. If they let such a huge decision slip through, but doesn't want other decisions that the player made go through to 'Mass Effect: Andromeda' then it just seems like lazy writing.

Considering the effort it took Mordin Solus to find a cure for the Genophage (and the inhumane experiments that took place by Mordin's former colleague) it would be unlikely that anyone else would find a cure for it. Considering that only 1 in 1000 births are viable for Krogans, they would need to bring a damn lot of Krogans to sustain their species, live with having so many of their babies dying, and make sure to not wander away from their duties. Violent deaths would hit the Krogans on the Ark hard, and we know how much Krogans like their daily dose of violence.

Tl;dr Having Krogans in ME: A is just plain stupid unless I've missed something huge. Feel free to point inconsistencies in my thinking out; it's appreciated.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Krogan are not at risk of dying out because of the Genophage. The reason they were dying out is not because of the Genophage by itself, but because of it and other factors like living on a very hostile planet and their mindset. If they colonized a planet that wasn't hostile, even with the Genophage there numbers would steadily increase since each female would still have one child every year. So they are no more likely to die out than humans are. 

[goishen]

Well, that and them killing each other.  There was no dialogue option for peace given, in the trilogy.   As to the rest of the post, the krogan have extremely high evolutionary systems.  Redundant systems can do that for a species as a whole. 

 

So, I'll bet that Mordin's work on the genophage update will long be over through the evolutionary process (the same as it was when he started his work on it) by the time they reach Andromeda.

[kukumburr]

We have no idea why the one or two Krogan we've seen are there. They could just be hired muscle or something. We really don't know anything about who all is actually colonizing as far as I've seen (other than humans I suppose). We've really only seen military/expeditionary squads, which really isn't indicative of the entire population aboard an ark.

[RoboticWater]

First of all, the Krogan are actually overcoming their sterility, albeit slowly, by the time ME3 rolls around (as they nearly did before), but even without that knowledge the Council (or whoever is running this circus) would still bring them along. If we've already decided to bring along as many different races as possible, we should give all sentient races a chance. I doubt a committee of half-decent people would knowingly doom an entire race just because they might die out. 

[Ahriman]

Krogans are not sterile. Krogans live thousand of years.

I don't understand what is hard to grasp here.

[Cyonan]

Even if we assume the genophage is not cured for the Ark Krogans regardless of choices in Mass Effect 3 it's still a good idea to bring them because:

 

1. They're a tough species that can survive hostile environments better than others.

2. They live for about as long as the Asari do

3. They're a warrior species, so they're good for being the muscle

 

Although if they want to ignore the genophage this time around my guess is that they'll just cure it again. We couldn't go a game in the original trilogy without finding a cure or something that was almost a cure, so it's apparently not super difficult to find a cure to.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

2. They live for about as long as the Asari do

Longer, actually. Wrex was around during the Krogan Rebellions, which was 1400 years ago. And Patriarch is a veteran of the Rachni Wars, which was over 2000 years ago. 

[Sanunes]

There could be the idea of bringing the Krogan along might also help them find a cure for the genophage, since to the majority of people in Citadel space a cure has not been developed and going to a new galaxy might give them the answers they are seeking to find one.

[Indigenous]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Krogan in Andromeda were all made in a lab.

[Big Bad]

Why are the Krogan going to Andromeda?  Because who the hell would want to play an ME game that doesn't have the Krogan in it?  Certainly not this guy!

[10K]

“But, the Genophage was cured in ME 3!” Yes, and no. It was up to the player to cure it or not, and depending upon when the Ark ships were launched there should be no fertile Krogans either way. If they let such a huge decision slip through, but doesn't want other decisions that the player made go through to 'Mass Effect: Andromeda' then it just seems like lazy writing.

You seem to think EAware actually care. All they care about is making a decent game that brings in the money. They don't care about player choice, ME lore, or story consistency. As long as the game is well received, they did their job.

[AnotherScarab]

The Krogan are not at risk of dying out because of the Genophage. The reason they were dying out is not because of the Genophage by itself, but because of it and other factors like living on a very hostile planet and their mindset. If they colonized a planet that wasn't hostile, even with the Genophage there numbers would steadily increase since each female would still have one child every year. So they are no more likely to die out than humans are. 

One of the major points of the previous Mass Effect games has been that the Krogans are dying out because of the Genophage, their lust for battle, the grief that the female and male Krogans experience by seeing so many of their babies die, and their ever-growing need to wander and seek new thrills. They do say in the game that they could survive as long as they all work together and procreate for the sake of surviving, but the problem there is that they aren't built nor raised for that; it simply isn't in them. So the Andromeda Krogan would just disregard all those feelings and magically overcome it? Just seems really unlikely in my mind if one is to be consistent. 

But, you and the rest may be right. If they write it well enough I could see that turning out good enough. Maybe hired muscle considering their life span, but casualties comes with war so a decent enough number would have to be brought along. Enough space on the Arks for that?

[AnotherScarab]

First of all, the Krogan are actually overcoming their sterility, albeit slowly, by the time ME3 rolls around (as they nearly did before), but even without that knowledge the Council (or whoever is running this circus) would still bring them along. If we've already decided to bring along as many different races as possible, we should give all sentient races a chance. I doubt a committee of half-decent people would knowingly doom an entire race just because they might die out. 

There are many races from the Milky Way galaxy that haven't been confirmed for 'Mass Effect: Andromeda' so I would assume that the committee has doomed plenty of races already. My point was more about it making more sense to bring another race which has a better chance of procreating.

Either way, still a lot of information to go before there are any definitive answers.

[camphor]

You seem to think EAware actually care. All they care about is making a decent game that brings in the money. They don't care about player choice, ME lore, or story consistency. As long as the game is well received, they did their job.

you say this like its a bad thing

[AnotherScarab]

Krogans are not sterile. Krogans live thousand of years.

I don't understand what is hard to grasp here.

They are practically sterile in the way they live their life. They are blood-thirsty warriors that cannot stand still without having to seek new thrills. If 1 in 1000 result in a live birth, and you have a rather small sample of Krogans on the Ark (limited space) then there is a big likelihood that their numbers will dwindle with fights breaking out, and during warfare with Andromeda threats during colonization. There is also the mental toll that was mentioned as one of the reasons for the Krogans dying out; they can't stand seeing all the still-births. If you are fine with that, then there shouldn't be a problem. But to me it just seems odd.

[AnotherScarab]

There could be the idea of bringing the Krogan along might also help them find a cure for the genophage, since to the majority of people in Citadel space a cure has not been developed and going to a new galaxy might give them the answers they are seeking to find one.

 

Hmm. Maybe the idea that the Andromeda races are advanced enough to solve the problem. I like that one, sort of. C:

[AnotherScarab]

You seem to think EAware actually care. All they care about is making a decent game that brings in the money. They don't care about player choice, ME lore, or story consistency. As long as the game is well received, they did their job.

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[10K]

you say this like its a bad thing

It is a bad thing. EAware should want to follow the lore of the games they create, make the stories of their games consistent, and let player choice matter. Otherwise they should stop making RPGs.

[dreamgazer]

It is a bad thing. EAware should want to follow the lore of the games they create, make the stories of their games consistent, and let player choice matter. Otherwise they should stop making RPGs.

The should, but they've been diverting from the lore of the games they create and marginalizing choices since ME2, a game that many players ate up with a spoon regardless.

Anyway, if they didn't care at all about player choice, they wouldn't be going to Andromeda. And if they didn't care at all about lore and consistency, they wouldn't be setting the game hundreds of years later.

[AlanC9]

Right. Why should EA care about this stuff when the actual players don't?

[Giantdeathrobot]

Quite the contrary, I find. If the Andromeda Krogans are still affected by the Genophage, then there is little risk of their explosive breeding rates causing problems in the medium-long term. That's actually smarter. The Arks probably don't have the infrastructure or ressources to support a thousand or so newborn Krogans per female.

 

In the meantime, they serve as useful muscle and shock troops, live for a thousand years or more, and can survive in almost any environment. When you're mounting a potentially dangerous expedition into completely uncharted territory, I can think of few better choices to bring along.

[Shechinah]

Quite the contrary, I find. If the Andromeda Krogans are still affected by the Genophage, then there is little risk of their explosive breeding rates causing problems in the medium-long term. That's actually smarter. The Arks probably don't have the infrastructure or ressources to support a thousand or so newborn Krogans per female.

 

In the meantime, they serve as useful muscle and shock troops, live for a thousand years or more, and can survive in almost any environment. When you're mounting a potentially dangerous expedition into completely uncharted territory, I can think of few better choices to bring along.

 

That's what I've thought of as well as to why the krogan would be along for the ride.
 

[AnotherScarab]

Quite the contrary, I find. If the Andromeda Krogans are still affected by the Genophage, then there is little risk of their explosive breeding rates causing problems in the medium-long term. That's actually smarter. The Arks probably don't have the infrastructure or ressources to support a thousand or so newborn Krogans per female.

 

In the meantime, they serve as useful muscle and shock troops, live for a thousand years or more, and can survive in almost any environment. When you're mounting a potentially dangerous expedition into completely uncharted territory, I can think of few better choices to bring along.

Perhaps I overthought it. Seems reasonable enough the way you put it. As long as the estimated death toll is low enough, and cryosleep can be kept during the journey... mostly thinking about their inability to stay still and their urge for violence. Or maybe they have managed to design something that help the Krogans in managing their behavior?

[TK514]

As others have said, the Genophage alone is not enough to cause the Krogan to go extinct.  It was the lifestyle they led in spite of low fertility rates that really started their decline.

 

However, there would have to be outliers who could put the future of their race ahead of the desire for battle (like Wrex himself, once he becomes clan leader), and those are the sorts that would likely have been selected for a long shot colonization program.  So they're Krogan, with all the benefits that come with bringing the Krogan along, but they'd be forward thinkers, at least marginally.

 

Plus, as mentioned, they're already evolving around the genophage.  It may take time, but eventually they will cure themselves assuming they don't get wiped out in some unforeseeable catastrophe.