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BioWare should give us more androgynous,asexual and non-binary CC option in Andromeda


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Whilst starting a new playthough of Dragon Age: Inquisition earlier I decided to play around with it mor in dept an was super duper blown away by how much diversity and freedom the charcarter creator gave its audience.

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I rally hope BioWare continues on this path to allow more diverse gendered peoples options to better represents the kind of charcaters they wish to play in games. After aall roleplaying and being able to play who you want has been a staple to the BioWare vission for many years and with the current social dynamic which isn't super duper accepting but moving toward better future of fairness an acceptaance and hopefully will encourage heteronormativ an ciswhite peoples to roleplay different charcaters an not be afraid to step into a different charactrs shoes.

 

We have already seen the the reform of Asari which was very pleasing an made me hopeful of diverse, androgynous an non binary gender charcaters hopewilly wit super duper complexicity.

 

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What's missing in your life that you choose to spend your time this way? Who hurt you OP?


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The bait is real.



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#76genders LOL

forgot the tumblr theme; here we go.

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oh boy/girl/whatever

 

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What's missing in your life that you choose to spend your time this way? Who hurt you OP?

I second this.

Do answer, OP.

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Why do peoples keep saying I'm a troll or baiting?I unerstand that some of these topics can be confronting for some an it is not my intention to offend peoples just to enlighten you to different perspective.

If you have nothing valued to contrgbute ignore it :)

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Why do peoples keep saying I'm a troll or baiting?I unerstand that some of these topics can be confronting for some an it is not my intention to offend peoples just to enlighten you to different perspective.

If you have nothing valued to contrgbute ignore it :)


Your user pic is of Anita, yeah you're not trolling at all  :rolleyes: LOL


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I'm going to laugh so hard if the asari in the trailer will be revealed to have a buxom body build.



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I see more trolls pretending to be SJWs than actual SJW threads here. Both sides can be really annoying.


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If you have nothing valued to contrgbute ignore it :)

 

If anyone is already on the right road it is BioWare.

In my view, this thread adds nothing aside of poking the ant's nest...



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Apologies, I got salty just looking at your avatar pic OP and then went on to not pay any attention to anything you wrote... ermmm you might want to change that to be taken seriously.

 

But in general, yes, lots of options, inclusion, racial features, let me be anybody I want to be, throw in a kitchen sink and all that jazz yadda yadda yadda,  And good hair of course. 



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I assume the Andromeda CC will be similar to the DA:I one, since both use the same game engine and both are developed by Bioware. Probably no qunari horns though.


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Why do peoples keep saying I'm a troll or baiting?I unerstand that some of these topics can be confronting for some an it is not my intention to offend peoples just to enlighten you to different perspective.

If you have nothing valued to contrgbute ignore it :)

 

This is bad. You shouldn't tell people to ignore it. You are the paragon of good and people against that are, by definition, the spawn of evil. You should call them out on their bigotry, tell them they lack basic human decency, and accuse them of killing trans women with their opinions. Then you should ask the mods to ban those privileged users, and if they don't, find their home addresses and camp out of their houses in protest.

 

If this seems over the top, remember that you are fighting a war for justice in games, and there is nothing in life more important than that.


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As long as there is an option to be an attack helicopter,  I see no problem with this.


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Androwhat?



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I just want to know who is going to pay for all this extra design work, and dialog.  The only way for this to be cost effective is if it's at the expense of good story/gameplay. 

 

And where does it stop with out inclusivity.  What about furries , why don't we in include a CC for them as well as good story.  What about catering for all religious beliefs and political beliefs?

 

At some stage you have to draw the line which means some minority group is not represented.  It's not sexism, bigotry or any ism, it's just common sense.



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BG2 had ugly paper doll types, I never wanted to play a human mage because of that goatee, and the paper dolls were shared based on race and class. And yet, I saw deeper characters there than in all of the gimmicks the OP described. Becaaise time wasn't wasted on nonsense like this. 



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Your user pic is of Anita, yeah you're not trolling at all  :rolleyes: LOL

 

That is a narrow assumption and grasping at straws if your reasoning is that 'this person likes Anita Sarkeesian must be a troll'. :unsure:

 

Apologies, I got salty just looking at your avatar pic OP and then went on to not pay any attention to anything you wrote... ermmm you might want to change that to be taken seriously.

 

But in general, yes, lots of options, inclusion, racial features, let me be anybody I want to be, throw in a kitchen sink and all that jazz yadda yadda yadda,  And good hair of course. 

 

See above. Judging somebody by what avatar they use is shortsited an a major issue with today's social order where people are constantly judged by what they look like whether its gender,persons of color an sexual orientation. It is very frustrating growing up around a stigma where if you didn't admire a woman's backside and express how much you want to 'tap dat' you are a degenerate (won't say the offensive word). You don't agree or you don't like Anita thats your perogotive but I am an avid fan an supporter of her views an she is my favorite feminist advoacate an one of the greatest thinkers of the modern culture imo and I will not change the avatar because it isn't infringeing on anybody or hurting their feelings like I said before if you have nothing of value to add to this discushion then ignore it.

 

This is bad. You shouldn't tell people to ignore it. You are the paragon of good and people against that are, by definition, the spawn of evil. You should call them out on their bigotry, tell them they lack basic human decency, and accuse them of killing trans women with their opinions. Then you should ask the mods to ban those privileged users, and if they don't, find their home addresses and camp out of their houses in protest.

 

If this seems over the top, remember that you are fighting a war for justice in games, and there is nothing in life more important than that.

 

Why would I do that?

Those attitude the disease of bigotry. Evil as a concept and by definition doesn't exactly exist in the world human beings are benevolant an compassion species and the entire concept is a mith or fairy tale concockted by creative minds and is fine in works of fiction however I note that we are fastly moving away from that as well when BioWare introduced gray antagonist like Solas.He isn't evil an is a compassionate person but he is simply misguded an is adament that go in that direction.I look forward to next Dragon Age instalment when perhapps we move away from destroying evil villainy in the end an redeem him peacefull instead.

Anyways back to my point,peoples aren't evil even cereal killers and sychopath have the potential to redeem themselves an be benevolannt contributors to a modern unified cultur but that starts with the right education an discussing issues like these with other peoples :)

 

As long as there is an option to be an attack helicopter,  I see no problem with this.

 

It would super duper stretch the buget I think with romance animations and as such the charcater would have to be humanoid in nature but I wouldn't be opposed to cybernetic augementation.



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This is getting tedious. Where did the originality go?


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It would super duper stretch the buget I think with romance animations and as such the charcater would have to be humanoid in nature but I wouldn't be opposed to cybernetic augementation.

 

 

Read my post 3 above



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Asexuality wouldn't need extra CC options, only dialogue. The other two might depend on whether the game will have multiple body types available, though to be honest, I doubt that would be the case.



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I just want to know who is going to pay for all this extra design work, and dialog.  The only way for this to be cost effective is if it's at the expense of good story/gameplay. 

 

And where does it stop with out inclusivity.  What about furries , why don't we in include a CC for them as well as good story.  What about catering for all religious beliefs and political beliefs?

 

At some stage you have to draw the line which means some minority group is not represented.  It's not sexism, bigotry or any ism, it's just common sense.

 

I propposed in my other thread how that could be fixed. By condenscing actual gameplay an main plot to text based codex entries.It can be immersive an just as enjoyable as cinematics so long as peoples read them :) I also recommend that BioWare make text bigger an easier to read this time. This frees up more room for diverse charcaters and more romance. I don't see how diversifing chrarcter creator would chew reshorses however mostly all they hav to do is provide options for everybody like they did with Dragon Age Inquisition both male an females can have what is often stigmatised as 'gender role' hairstyles i.e a male can hav pigtails an females can hav shaved hairdos,everyone has access to makeup an so forth. To further immersify this they could provide diffrent voice tones and open female an male voices for either gende.r



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Asexuality wouldn't need extra CC options, only dialogue. The other two might depend on whether the game will have multiple body types available, though to be honest, I doubt that would be the case.

 

I'm assuming though that you would want a good story that goes with it as well, not just  saying no to sex because there asexual.  This does cost money.



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I'm assuming though that you would want a good story that goes with it as well, not just  saying no to sex because there asexual.  This does cost money.

Not that it wouldn't cost resources, but why is the story relevant to the option to say that you're asexual during certain dialogues? 

Regardless if they do it or not, they don't have to center the story, or put that many resources, to aknowledge that your character is asexual.

It's a bit different if they create a romance with that type of PC in mind, but they would never do that because it wouldn't be cost effective, since a few people will (probably) play with that type of PC. 

At best they'd give us the option to continue the romances they already established with the option of having or not the sex scene, as they did with some of the DAI LI.