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[nfi42]

I propposed in my other thread how that could be fixed. By condenscing actual gameplay an main plot to text based codex entries.It can be immersive an just as enjoyable as cinematics so long as peoples read them I also recommend that BioWare make text bigger an easier to read this time. This frees up more room for diverse charcaters and more romance. I don't see how diversifing chrarcter creator would chew reshorses however mostly all they hav to do is provide options for everybody like they did with Dragon Age Inquisition both male an females can have what is often stigmatised as 'gender role' hairstyles i.e a male can hav pigtails an females can hav shaved hairdos,everyone has access to makeup an so forth. To further immersify this they could provide diffrent voice tones and open female an male voices for either gende.r

 

 

not a game that I would play and not I think most.  Your looking at the wrong medium,  read a novel instead. 

 

I'm sure your going to point out that there aren't enough novels in this category.  Your right,  it's the same reason.  Money.

[Fixers0]

I really starting to the miss the times were society didn't have to conform these kind of juvenile fantasies.

[nfi42]

I really starting to the miss the times were society didn't have to conform these kind of juvenile fantasies.

 

 

You know,  I have a facet of me that 1 in a billion have. I don't scream for representation.

[ArcadiaGrey]

See above. Judging somebody by what avatar they use is shortsited an a major issue with today's social order where people are constantly judged by what they look like whether its gender,persons of color an sexual orientation. It is very frustrating growing up around a stigma where if you didn't admire a woman's backside and express how much you want to 'tap dat' you are a degenerate (won't say the offensive word). You don't agree or you don't like Anita thats your perogotive but I am an avid fan an supporter of her views an she is my favorite feminist advoacate an one of the greatest thinkers of the modern culture imo and I will not change the avatar because it isn't infringeing on anybody or hurting their feelings like I said before if you have nothing of value to add to this discushion then ignore it.

 

It is shortsighted yes.  But the fact is that on a forum, presenting yourself with an image of Anita is instantly going to shut people down.  They won't listen or respect your point of view because the letters SJW will be in their minds, and therefore your point of view will be lost.

 

If you want people to listen then perhaps change your avatar.  That's all I'm saying.

 

And fyi I don't hate Anita or necessarily disagree, I honestly haven't paid that much attention to her.  But seeing her picture makes me think you're here to bait ppl.

[The Elder King]

I really starting to the miss the times were society didn't have to conform these kind of juvenile fantasies.

Bioware are among the few developers who are 'conforming'  to those 'juvenile fantasies' (I don't think they are fantasies, but fair enough). There are plenty of developers who don't do this. 

Plus, I honestly doubt they'll follow the OP's route.

[Xilizhra]

I'm assuming though that you would want a good story that goes with it as well, not just  saying no to sex because there asexual.  This does cost money.

Well, what sort of story did you have in mind?

[Catilina]

However, a hermaphrodite would be interesting ...

[ClarkHewis]

Just have a switch to set all hair and facial presets to all available. Could expand on the idea though, why not feature a few characters using clothing designed for the opposite gender or feature completely new genders such as a female with a tail that is polygamous and thier gender as two partners one from each binary gender. Or a woman with a tail that only goes after other women as a compeditor for men. Competition for LI could be interesting.

[nfi42]

Well, what sort of story did you have in mind?

 

A good story that makes that does not detract from the game.  If Bioware, did it then great.  I don't thing they delivered with dai.  Both Krem and Dorian's side quest didn't.  Liked Dorian outside of his side quest.

[The Elder King]

A good story that makes that does not detract from the game.  If Bioware, did it then great.  I don't thing they delivered with dai.  Both Krem and Dorian's side quest didn't.  Liked Dorian outside of his side quest.

That's nor about sacrificing content for this type of writing though. It's about Bioware getting better at writing this type of stories. And as far as DAI is concerned, people criticized the writing on other companions and plots as well.
Also, the main story isn't going to lose Something for a couple of bad quests. Every game has those.

[Lord Bolton]

Your previous thread was a lot better in terms of trolling. Now it's just too obvious.

[Erstus]

Why do peoples keep saying I'm a troll or baiting?I unerstand that some of these topics can be confronting for some an it is not my intention to offend peoples just to enlighten you to different perspective.

If you have nothing valued to contrgbute ignore it

Because you are a troll and your supposed opinion is a joke.

 

Shoo - Begone

[nfi42]

That's nor about sacrificing content for this type of writing though. It's about Bioware getting better at writing this type of stories. And as far as DAI is concerned, people criticized the writing on other companions and plots as well.
Also, the main story isn't going to lose Something for a couple of bad quests. Every game has those.

 

All true.  As I said I said I said I said in a different post,  if Bioware do it and it's good, I'm fine. There were not enough good quests to balance the collectathons  and story by reading notes so it's harder to ignore.

 

Bioware has also to make money out of it which does mean not spending more money on developing the game than the target audience can pay.  I'm not a part of the SJW subset market, I'm in the good game market, so If SJW elements come at the expense of good game market,  I'm out. 

 

Edit:  not enough "I said's". added a few more.

[Sartoz]

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Surprised to read the OP is enamoured with a pitiful CC that is clueless when rendering hair of any kind

and  that is for "normal" people.  I tried a dwarf and was horrified at the result. I can't imagine what diverse people would look like under the knife of the CC.  For example: Can anyone here say they can make Mystique?... a diverse individual as can ever be.... no, not without the hair!

 

Personally, Bio mngt ought to tackle and fix the hair generating algorithm, before taking on more arduous tasks. Perhaps, also making the CC more "artistic user friendly" for the non artists amongst us.

[Indigenous]

Why do peoples keep saying I'm a troll or baiting?I unerstand that some of these topics can be confronting for some an it is not my intention to offend peoples just to enlighten you to different perspective.
If you have nothing valued to contrgbute ignore it

You should be proud of the response you get. If you offer an opinion and all you get are individuals responding with petty nonsense like name calling and such then you have the better argument. Regardless of what your intention is as you said they could always ignore you.

Body shapes. In DAI there was 8 different body types. Hopefully in MEA we can 3 body types for male and 3 for female.

[The Elder King]

All true.  As I said I said in a different post,  if Bioware do it and it's good, I'm fine. There were not enough good quests to balance the collectathons  and story by reading notes so it's harder to ignore.
 
Bioware has also to make money out of it which does mean not spending more money on developing the game than the target audience can pay.  I'm not a part of the SJW subset market, I'm in the good game market, so If SJW elements come at the expense of good game market,  I'm out.

The thing I don't understand though, is that you think that the LGBT content comes at the expense of the rest. So far the content reserved was quite limited. If you had problems with the rest of DAI, other then the quality of Dorian's and Krem's content, is because Bioware messed up with the rest of the game, and that would've happened regardless. The main problem Some people had with DAI were more about the open world switch then the LGBT content. In this regard Bioware has a great disadvantage compared to other open world rpg developers, which is the massive aumont of resources companions draw.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

What about catering for all religious beliefs and political beliefs?

This is...yes! Bioware, I demand that Andromeda include a different retelling of the story reflecting every religion in the world. Naturally, this will include romance options that tailor to the sensibilities of each religious tradition. I can't wait to see how the story endings and romances change between my Shi'ite Muslim engineer and my Carmelite nun sentinel. My Taoist Krogan head-butting drunken master will be the highlight of my gaming career.

Bioware, now!

(Also, sliders for boob size and skirt length. Oh, and a fishnet stocking texture would be hot!)

[BSpud]

chew reshorses

[nfi42]

The thing I don't understand though, is that you think that the LGBT content comes at the expense of the rest. So far the content reserved was quite limited. If you had problems with the rest of DAI, other then the quality of Dorian's and Krem's content, is because Bioware messed up with the rest of the game, and that would've happened regardless. The main problem Some people had with DAI were more about the open world switch then the LGBT content. In this regard Bioware has a great disadvantage compared to other open world rpg developers, which is the massive aumont of resources companions draw.

 

 

No I said that if they pander to every minority it will cost money or impact the story.  I also said that the inclusion of an androgynous character is fine by me if it doesn't impact good story.  I did not at any time say anything about wanting lgbt removed.  I romanced Sera and I'm a straight male.  Some dislike her personality,  I liked it.

 

If Bioware tries to cater to androgynous, synthetics, furries and it's a good game I'll buy it.  But I think including these groups will mean something else is cut.  Budget and all that. It might be romances, it might be lgbt content.  What would you do if they cut this content out?

 

I disagree with your comment on companions making it harder to write good stories in open world.

 

Edit:  The inclusion of Krem and Dorion's companion quest was just to illustrate what I consider bad story.

[Sartoz]

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Body shapes. In DAI there was 8 different body types. Hopefully in MEA we can 3 body types for male and 3 for female.

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Bioware has a simple binary solution to body shapes with the CC. Create an algorithm that permits variable body shapes (within reason) along with armour reshaping that fits into the CC creation or creating fixed body shapes but limit the available bodies and their armours.

 

Solution 1.

This takes time and resources at a front end high cost but the payoff is immense down the road.  It becomes a reusable and valuable asset to the studio. All future games can have variable body shapes. Creation of new body shapes will take "no time" to do (ie: using the CC). With this project, the amount of time, resources and cost needs to be compared with:

 

Solution 2

Fixed body shapes is a do it once effort. However, you need an "effort" for each body shape and a fixed armour for it. Add a body shape and you know what the time, resources and cost will be.  Therefore, limiting these body shapes is a method of cost control.  In game 2-3 of ME:A these assets can be reused for similar body shapes.... just create new armours for them, if needed.  Add an alien and you need to go to sentence # 2, above.

 

So far, Bio favours Solution 2.

[Herald of Justice]

It is shortsighted yes.  But the fact is that on a forum, presenting yourself with an image of Anita is instantly going to shut people down.  They won't listen or respect your point of view because the letters SJW will be in their minds, and therefore your point of view will be lost.

 

If you want people to listen then perhaps change your avatar.  That's all I'm saying.

 

And fyi I don't hate Anita or necessarily disagree, I honestly haven't paid that much attention to her.  But seeing her picture makes me think you're here to bait ppl.

 

That's no different to the rest of the internet love the term 'SJW' has become a kneejerk reactione to peoples who don't agree with equality. Its sour grapes and the only ammonation for bigots. I have lurked on this forum before deciding to join and have seen it many times when somebody wants to discuss something or request for something ie profaneity filter they get the same responses this persons a troll.

 

I'm not baiting peoples I've been a fan of Anita's for long time and don't see why I should change my avatar because peoples are shortsighted and ignorance.

 

Because you are a troll and your supposed opinion is a joke.

 

Shoo - Begone

 

You are trying to bait me and it isn't going work an that goes for the others. Consider yourselves ignore.

 

You should be proud of the response you get. If you offer an opinion and all you get are individuals responding with petty nonsense like name calling and such then you have the better argument. Regardless of what your intention is as you said they could always ignore you.

Body shapes. In DAI there was 8 different body types. Hopefully in MEA we can 3 body types for male and 3 for female.

 

I'm not proud because I unerstand where they are coming from the internet can be a degrading,vile place at times because of how people behave just look at respanses in this thread an my other thread because I praise BioWare for being diversieve I'm called a troll its groupthink stereotype behavor because of a select few peoples who say not very nice things about ciswhites.

 

The thing I don't understand though, is that you think that the LGBT content comes at the expense of the rest. So far the content reserved was quite limited. If you had problems with the rest of DAI, other then the quality of Dorian's and Krem's content, is because Bioware messed up with the rest of the game, and that would've happened regardless. The main problem Some people had with DAI were more about the open world switch then the LGBT content. In this regard Bioware has a great disadvantage compared to other open world rpg developers, which is the massive aumont of resources companions draw.

 

Your right diversive content doesn't determin weather a game will be good or not imo Dragon Age Inquisition was good because it included diversity an was good the gameplay an exploring the worlds was so much fun imo it took me back to when I used to play Super Mario 64 and Banjo Kazooie an the open worlds were detailed,visuals were great an so many roleplaying oppertunities and romance.

[The Elder King]

No I said that if they pander to every minority it will cost money or impact the story. I also said that the inclusion of an androgynous character is fine by me if it doesn't impact good story. I did not at any time say anything about wanting lgbt removed. I romanced Sera and I'm a straight male. Some dislike her personality, I liked it.

If Bioware tries to cater to androgynous, synthetics, furries and it's a good game I'll buy it. But I think including these groups will mean something else is cut. Budget and all that. It might be romances, it might be lgbt content. What would you do if they cut this content out?

I disagree with your comment on companions making it harder to write good stories in open world.

Edit: The inclusion of Krem and Dorion's companion quest was just to illustrate what I consider bad story.

I don't think androgynous can be used to categorize a group as, say, asexual. They obviously won't do a furry PC. As from asexual, again, the content required for addressing a PC liked that would be minimal, regardless of the fact that I don't think Bioware will do it.
I didn't say companions Make writing good stories harder in developing open world rpgs. I said that they reagire massive resources, which other open world rpgs use in different way. It is something other open world rpgs generally don't have or not in this way. Bioware simply have to take account of that, while other companies can use those resources in something else. While it is something many people, myself included, love, it is a big cost for Bioware. And when you consider the cost of making an open world game, it's obvious that something else have to be cut.

As for Dorian and Krem, fair enough, but Games aren't perfect. I doubt you'll find one without a couple or bad side quests.

[10K]

Also let's not forget about strategic butt coverings for each armor set as well. we don't want these characters to succumb to the male gaze.

[Battlebloodmage]

Maybe more people would fall for it if you didn't have an Anita avatar, you know?

[KotorEffect3]

What the hell is going on?