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[FC_paragon]

I have this theory. I think Drew Karpyshyn's plot will finally be used here. I think the reason all the major species are even beginning to attempt to travel to a nearby galaxy is because the Dark Matter is spreading in the Milky Way and now it's about to consume the galaxy and probably even more. I don't know if anyone remembers this but this was supposed to be the main reason as to why the Reapers were so hell bent in harvesting anyone, and why Harbinger continuously said, "We are your salvation, through destruction." in ME2. They were creating Reapers to stop spread the Dark Matter, and then they found the most promising species (humans) and believed that in creating a human reaper will finally stop the Dark Matter spread, and that's why they went full force into harvesting humans for the Human Reaper. But since Karypyshyn's ending got leaked for ME3, and then they had to bring up with the A,B, and C options, this was thrown out the window. But i think now it's playing a pivotal reason as to why they're going to Andromeda, and that it's all about survival now. What do you think?

[wolfsite]

I just find it funny that you label the ending as A, B, C

 

when the original ending would have just been A or B.

 

[Laughing_Man]

I just find it funny that you label the ending as A, B, C

 

when the original ending would have just been A or B.

 

The problem was never with the number of choices.

[Balsam Beige]

So your saying it was Drew's Dark Matter plot and not the me3 endings debacle that made Bioware scrap the Milky Way and head to Andromeda?


I see what Mac is doing here.

[wolfsite]

The problem was never with the number of choices.

 

The problem is there is no definitive problem there was no one thing people grabbed on to to say this is what's wrong, it's gotten to the point were this is all you need to say: A,B,C or Red/Green/Blue but there is no why or how, add on top of that there are plenty of people who are fine with the endings (some even liking the originally released ending more) so again there is no "problem", just people poking for a response.

 

Plus some people feel that the original ending would have been much worse than what we got since it could have left things off in a much bleaker world state since your choices are:

 

A: Let the Reapers win

 

B: Destroy the Reapers and hope you can defeat this unknown force.

 

It would be quite difficult to create a followup to these two options as well since you would pretty much need to build two completely different games for each outcome, outcome 1 all your characters and all races are dead but the Reapers remain, outcome 2 The Reapers are dead.  this would have been to much work for the team and if they just ended Mass Effect right there people would be upset because it just feels like a lose/lose situation since option A is give up and Option B just leaves this huge cloud over the future.

[Laughing_Man]

The problem is there is no definitive problem there was no one thing people grabbed on to to say this is what's wrong

 

That's simply false. I heartily recommend watching the two videos on my signature.

[The Elder King]

It's not going (almost surely) to be the reason for the travel to Andromeda.
And the dark matter plot was just briefly considered in ME. The ending leak in ME3 wasn't about that.
Also, what Harbinger said in ME2 fits perfectly what they want to do to humans without the need of the dark Matter plot.

[Obliviousmiss]

I think the reason for going to Andromeda will be a lot simpler than anyone thinks it is. 

 

"We have the technology to explore further into the universe, who wants to volunteer for a 600 year journey?"

 

And that's that.

[FC_paragon]

The problem is there is no definitive problem there was no one thing people grabbed on to to say this is what's wrong, it's gotten to the point were this is all you need to say: A,B,C or Red/Green/Blue but there is no why or how, add on top of that there are plenty of people who are fine with the endings (some even liking the originally released ending more) so again there is no "problem", just people poking for a response.

 

Plus some people feel that the original ending would have been much worse than what we got since it could have left things off in a much bleaker world state since your choices are:

 

A: Let the Reapers win

 

B: Destroy the Reapers and hope you can defeat this unknown force.

 

It would be quite difficult to create a followup to these two options as well since you would pretty much need to build two completely different games for each outcome, outcome 1 all your characters and all races are dead but the Reapers remain, outcome 2 The Reapers are dead.  this would have been to much work for the team and if they just ended Mass Effect right there people would be upset because it just feels like a lose/lose situation since option A is give up and Option B just leaves this huge cloud over the future.

Seriously? of all the things i said in my post, you picked the A,B or C thing?

[nfi42]

I think the reason we are going to Andromeda is that Bioware/EA want to make another game and more money,  and could not think or be brave enough to write themselves out of the "Killing you to save you" ending.

 

And by that,  I mean no I don't think they are going to Andromeda because of dark mater.  I think they're going either because they can,  or to escape something which is/was the Reapers.

[10K]

That's simply false. I heartily recommend watching the two videos on my signature.

These videos just highlighted even more how EAware stopped following the lore of the game. They were an awesome watch, thanks.

[Fogg]

The dark matter 'ending' got a bit out of context. It's just one of the ending ideas they'd discussed quite early on making the games, but never was a serious option when they really started to make ME3. The leaked ending isn't a dark matter one.

 

Still, the dark matter stuff could be an excellent reason for a journey to Andromeda. Especially when the journey starts before the Reaper threat is acknowledged as being real (which isn't until the start of ME3).

[Arcian]

I have this theory. I think Drew Karpyshyn's plot will finally be used here.

If it wasn't used in the original trilogy, it sure as hell won't be used in this game.

[Unata]

I always felt that the dark matter issues were the Reapers starting their engines as it were, Since the Haestrom's star was dieing prematurely, the star cluster is on the fringe of the Milky Way, so the Reapers were draining dark matter to warm up their systems before taking on the populations of our galaxy.

 

That's how my brain processed the mention of dark matter oddness, honestly thought it was ment to get the Reapers engines going before the massive move on the Milky Way and Bioware kinda just let it slide away without ever revisiting the reasons for the dark matter loss.

[FC_paragon]

The dark matter 'ending' got a bit out of context. It's just one of the ending ideas they'd discussed quite early on making the games, but never was a serious option when they really started to make ME3. The leaked ending isn't a dark matter one.

 

Still, the dark matter stuff could be an excellent reason for a journey to Andromeda. Especially when the journey starts before the Reaper threat is acknowledged as being real (which isn't until the start of ME3).

It's not the ending that i'm talking about, it's about the situation that was happening since ME2. And i don't think the start of Andromeda was before the Reaper threat was acknowledged. No one, except for Admiral Hackett and Anderson believed Shepard about the Reapers, and by the time they believed him, the Reapers already arrived. Besides, by the looks of that trailer, it looked like the technology was far advanced than the ME trilogy, i think the story starts years after the ME trilogy.

[AlanC9]

I don't know where you're getting that "more advanced" idea. Haven't you noticed the model numbers on the equipment?

[FC_paragon]

I don't know where you're getting that "more advanced" idea. Haven't you noticed the model numbers on the equipment?

the Tempest sure as hell looked advanced than most of the ships. and it doesn't use the standard galaxy map, it has been upgraded. Even the armors aren't the same anymore. If they weren't advanced, they'd be using the same sort of armors as well don't you think?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's not the ending that i'm talking about, it's about the situation that was happening since ME2. And i don't think the start of Andromeda was before the Reaper threat was acknowledged. No one, except for Admiral Hackett and Anderson believed Shepard about the Reapers, and by the time they believed him, the Reapers already arrived. Besides, by the looks of that trailer, it looked like the technology was far advanced than the ME trilogy, i think the story starts years after the ME trilogy.

Mac Walters has already indirectly confirmed that we will be leaving before the end of Mass Effect 3. He mentions how the endings won't impact the game, and from that people can surmise when we leave(ie before the end of ME3). 

[Kabooooom]

It's pretty much certain that the Arks leave before the endings, so no, this is not the reason they go to Andromeda.

[Totally Not a Poodle]

Well now, it has some worth to it.

 

Tali says that Haestrom's sun is aging to quickly. Suns aren't supposed to do that and there are hypothetical or theoretical (I forget the difference - could someone enlighten me with 'science for dummies' language?) reasons as to why that is happening. We don't find out the real reason why it's happening, because the idea was scrapped from ME3 where it would have likely been developed.

 

Now, the reason why we have to leave the Milky Way could be that Haestrom's sun could deterioate and cause a chain reaction, affecting nearby stars and so on and so forth. Because we are a great distance away Haestrom (and if I remember correctly, so is basically every other species homeworld), we have the time to build Arks that would set off for a new galaxy, should it be impossible to stop that chain reaction of suns going bad.

 

This idea would work against the idea that a large group of people (large enough to build three giant Ark ships that no one else knows about) believed Shepard and co. about the Reapers. Their reasons for building the ships weren't because of the Reapers but because of another reason which has already been touched upon in the lore.

 

Let's say the ships get built before the Reapers. When the Reapers do attack, the ships are already there, built and even though it's not the reason why they were built, it's still a good enough reason to get on those ships and leave the galaxy.

 

But now that I think about it, the timing would be all wrong.

 

We recruit Tali in the second act of ME2. Even if you recruit her first out of the bunch in the second act, there still would not be enough time to figure out the reason why the suns are going bad, for the sun to deterioate and start the chain, and for the ships to be built before the Reapers arrive. Remember, the Reapers arrive only, what, a few months after the Arrival DLC in ME2. A few months wouldn't be enough to build one giant ship the size of the Citadel, let alone three of them.

 

Basically, this post of mine is pointless. I'm only hitting post because I've written it out and I don't want it to go to waste.

[nfi42]

Snip

 

Liked it for the honesty.

[Ahriman]

I think the reason for going to Andromeda will be a lot simpler than anyone thinks it is. 

 

"We have the technology to explore further into the universe, who wants to volunteer for a 600 year journey?"

 

And that's that.

"We are travelers" - Commander Shepard

And that's why we build giant ships and send them to journey with no return, kids.

I'm not being sarcastic here, that's actually their typical level of writing.

[Suron]

The problem is there is no definitive problem there was no one thing people grabbed on to to say this is what's wrong, it's gotten to the point were this is all you need to say: A,B,C or Red/Green/Blue but there is no why or how, add on top of that there are plenty of people who are fine with the endings (some even liking the originally released ending more) so again there is no "problem", just people poking for a response.

 

Plus some people feel that the original ending would have been much worse than what we got since it could have left things off in a much bleaker world state since your choices are:

 

A: Let the Reapers win

 

B: Destroy the Reapers and hope you can defeat this unknown force.

 

It would be quite difficult to create a followup to these two options as well since you would pretty much need to build two completely different games for each outcome, outcome 1 all your characters and all races are dead but the Reapers remain, outcome 2 The Reapers are dead.  this would have been to much work for the team and if they just ended Mass Effect right there people would be upset because it just feels like a lose/lose situation since option A is give up and Option B just leaves this huge cloud over the future.

Your argument makes no sense.  In your "A" (akin to refuse in ME3) then everyone dies and there wouldn't be a continuation.  Your B, however, gives room to expand on that "threat" and move on into the next series of games.

 

What we got gives us 3 options they won't touch for "player agency" and "Choices matter" and Refue, which is the same as your A....So the ONLY option is to scrap the Milky Way all together and move to an entirely new Galaxy.....

 

I've not read the Dark Matter ending thing, as such I have no idea if it coulda been tweaked to be good or if it even needed to be or whatever.  However your entire argument only seems to STRENGTHEN using the dark matter ending(s) instead of the drivel we got.  Because, at least then, we could continue on in the Milky Way instead of moving Mass Effect even further into a BioWare rip-off of Star Wars with the garbage they did to Biotics by turning it into space magic instead of what the "lore" says it is as their "force" and moving to Andromeda in the future being "A Long Time From Now, In a Galaxy Far Far Away" instead of "a long time ago..."

 

But nice try.

[Totally Not a Poodle]

I think the reason for going to Andromeda will be a lot simpler than anyone thinks it is. 

 

"We have the technology to explore further into the universe, who wants to volunteer for a 600 year journey?"

 

And that's that.

 

I like it, and I would support the simplest of answers. My only problem is, they (BioWare) have stated that humanity needs a new 'home'. If there isn't a reason for humanity to leave Earth, why would they state that? They could have just said "humanity is looking to colonise the furtherest reaches of space" or something like that. Not "needs a new home".

[AlanC9]

the Tempest sure as hell looked advanced than most of the ships. and it doesn't use the standard galaxy map, it has been upgraded. Even the armors aren't the same anymore. If they weren't advanced, they'd be using the same sort of armors as well don't you think?

The armors are just part of the engine switch. The Tempest is a new prototype, same as the Normandy was a few years earlier.

The new Mako had a model number lower than the Hammerhead. That means it was designed earlier than the Hammerhead.