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[Kabooooom]

The armors are just part of the engine switch. The Tempest is a new prototype, same as the Normandy was a few years earlier.

The new Mako had a model number lower than the Hammerhead. That means it was designed earlier than the Hammerhead.

This is the clearest evidence to me, as I've argued before. It's irrefutable. Things look fancier and shinier in Andromeda because video game tech has advanced, but the in-universe technology is the current galactic standard. The Arks most certainly don't leave after ME3. Not that we didn't know that in the first place to begin with...

[AlanC9]

Your argument makes no sense.  In your "A" (akin to refuse in ME3) then everyone dies and there wouldn't be a continuation.  Your B, however, gives room to expand on that "threat" and move on into the next series of games.

Well, yeah.... the problem with the Dark Energy plot wasn't just that the choice it built up to was worse than what we got. The problem was also that the choice would have been fake, and everyone would have known it. No way that Bio would have had the guts to go through with Drew K.'s original vision.

[Kabooooom]

Well, yeah.... the problem with the Dark Energy plot wasn't just that the choice it built up to was worse than what we got. The problem was also that the choice would have been fake, and everyone would have known it. No way that Bio would have had the guts to go through with Drew K.'s original vision.

Yeah, and honestly, the organic-synthetic conflict was foreshadowed more than the dark energy thing was anyways. Seriously, all the way back to ME1 on seemingly irrelevant side quests like the Citadel AI one.

[Fogg]

It's pretty much certain that the Arks leave before the endings, so no, this is not the reason they go to Andromeda.

 

They were already concerned about the dark matter before the ending, so it could be a perfect reason to go before the Reaper invasion.

[Totally Not a Poodle]

They were already concerned about the dark matter before the ending, so it could be a perfect reason to go before the Reaper invasion.

 

Don't suppose you could work out a time frame for how they manage that? I thought about it, and I posted it on the previous page, but the timing would be all wrong. That, or somehow years went past in the space of at most one year.

[dreamgazer]

They were already concerned about the dark matter before the ending, so it could be a perfect reason to go before the Reaper invasion.

Indeed.

There are a number of different reasons they might launch a contingency colonization plan other than the Reapers.

[Kabooooom]

They were already concerned about the dark matter before the ending, so it could be a perfect reason to go before the Reaper invasion.

True, but the only people that really seemed all that concerned about it were the Quarians, and Parasini mentions something about it too. All in all though, like I said in another thread, it would be an extremely anticlimactic reason to leave the galaxy, compared to the Reaper threat. They know very little about dark energy in the trilogy, and the threat of it might not manifest for centuries. But the Reapers were an imminent threat to all life in the galaxy. If they cite this as a reason to flee the MW, I'm going to laugh.

[FC_paragon]

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Mac Walters has already indirectly confirmed that we will be leaving before the end of Mass Effect 3. He mentions how the endings won't impact the game, and from that people can surmise when we leave(ie before the end of ME3). 

how does that work? when ME3 started with the arrival of Reapers in Earth? The end of the E3 trailer showed just normal transferring of humans to the ark, there were no reapers in the air, and i don't think there were no signs of battle. and the trailer we saw was all in-game. It wasn't a trailer different from the story.

[iM3GTR]

"We are travelers" - Commander Shepard
And that's why we build giant ships and send them to journey with no return, kids.
I'm not being sarcastic here, that's actually their typical level of writing.

It's not too bad writing, considering people are planning a one way trip to Mars (not that it'll actually happen in the end).

https://www.theguard...-planet-in-2024

[Totally Not a Poodle]

I think the reason for going to Andromeda will be a lot simpler than anyone thinks it is. 

 

"We have the technology to explore further into the universe, who wants to volunteer for a 600 year journey?"

 

And that's that.

I like it, and I would support the simplest of answers. My only problem is, they (BioWare) have stated that humanity needs a new 'home'. If there isn't a reason for humanity to leave Earth, why would they state that? They could have just said "humanity is looking to colonise the furtherest reaches of space" or something like that. Not "needs a new home".

 

Further thinking, I am in favour of this.

 

After the First Contact War, everything is basically civil amongst the galactic community; albeit relations between humans and batarians (I don't expect them to come to Andromeda anyway). Between then and ME1, efforts could have been made between the entire galactic community to travel to distant galaxies, eventually leading to the building of the ships. They could have set off now, before ME1. That would make sense. That would delete any mention of Reapers in the Andromeda game and beyond. What BioWare want, right?

 

However, I do consider choice of word critical to any reveal of information. They say "to find a new home for humanity". That could mean to say that the original reason for building the ships was lost and instead, they are simply used to escape the Milky Way and the Reapers. Earth gets lost almost immediately, unlike Palaven. The human fleets cannot stay in the Sol system because it would be suicide to do so. As we all know, humans in Mass Effect are the golden children. The other species follow humanities lead essentially, though many show disdain whilst doing it. "We've lost our planet so hey, let's everyone else get up and leave your planets as well because we're going to Andromeda!".

[Kabooooom]

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how does that work? when ME3 started with the arrival of Reapers in Earth? The end of the E3 trailer showed just normal transferring of humans to the ark, there were no reapers in the air, and i don't think there were no signs of battle. and the trailer we saw was all in-game. It wasn't a trailer different from the story.

No, they could have left between ME2 and 3, or immediately at the start of ME3 before the Reapers reach Earth but after they know Batarian space goes dark. If you watch the trailer again, the shuttles seem to be flying pretty frantically towards the Arks.

[nfi42]

"to find a new home" doesn't really mean anything.  One of the reasons we,  humanity in real life (what a concept) do space exploration is that in the future,  should disaster  befall us either by nuclear apocalypse, zombie apocalypse, asteroid strike or alien invasion or whatever is to "find a new home" such that we're not wiped out.

 

Edit.  Oh,  forgot for alien romance.

[dreamgazer]

Hell, they could've left shortly after ME1, too.

[Kabooooom]

Hell, they could've left shortly after ME1, too.

True. I think for dramatic purposes, they will probably leave at the start of the Reaper War. I think that's most likely, followed by a ME2-3 departure, followed by a ME1-2 departure.

[Totally Not a Poodle]

Or, it could just be what Obliviousmiss said. We are exploring simply because we can.

 

Further. We have been told that we won't be going back to the Milky Way. That's where the 'home' comes in. If we're not going back, we need someplace to call ours.

 

But why can't we go back?

 

Well, for one, it would take the same amount of time to get home as it did to get to Andromeda. In that time, so much would have change. Hell, humanity might have even destroyed Earth so there wouldn't be somewhere to go back to. I would prefer it if a reason were given in game for why the journey is a one way trip, if nothing else simply to tell everyone - inside and outside the game - that this is it.

 

Maybe, as part of the expedition, one of the reasons is to attempt that. How long can they go before they'd be forced to return? Is it possible for us to reach a new galaxy and if so, how long can we stay there?

 

Nothing to do with world ending stuff. Nothing to do with reasons to leave. Just simply scientific experimentation!

 

I'd be happy with that.

[wolfsite]

Seriously? of all the things i said in my post, you picked the A,B or C thing?

That wasn't directed at you.  It was originally meant to be in jest and for fun (I had something else planned but when I read it out loud it came off as being rather harshly)..... unfortunately I forgot where I was and that there are people who don't feel fun is not aloud here.  then I went off for absolutely no reason because I keep forgetting some people live in an echo chamber and don't read or try to understand were a person is coming from (again not directed at you)
 

Then I went and got a sandwich and now I feel better and then re-evaluated both the original ending and what we got and noticed that it is possible for all roads to lead to Andromeda which can make you think how far back they had Andromeda planned for.

[FC_paragon]

Okay, based on the replies i got, a few people said that it has to do somewhere in the middle of ME3. Sorry, but i don't see how that timeline works for 3 reasons:

 

1) For any species to build arks the size of citadel, it will take a huge amount of resources and especially, time to build that. I highly doubt Alliance can pull this off alone without the help of other species. They took the help of every major species to build one Crucible, but 3 arks, alone? I don't think so. And about the time, it took 6 months for the Reapers to start the attack, again, i highly doubt they would've finished building those arks in 6 months, i don't care how advanced their tech is, it's just not possible. And if the Alliance did somehow pull this off, then why would the Alliance officials ask Shepard on what to do with the Reapers in the beginning of ME3? Why didn't they just immediately start evacuating the humans before the Reapers reached Earth? What's the point of making a Crucible? What's the point of ME3 anyway then? They could've just evacuated everyone, would've saved a whole lot of people that way. Especially Shepard.

 

2) Nobody, except Hackett, Anderson and Shepard's squadmates, gave a damn about what Shepard had to say. We all knew that when Shepard went to the Council and they refused to help them. Without the Council's support and it's resources, i doubt just big arks would've been possible.

 

3) If they did manage to build those arks, there's no way, it happened before the end of ME3. Reapers were already attacking the Earth, and the Reapers were guarding the Earth from any reinforcements to come. In the trailer, it looked like a casual transferring of humans to the ark, i didn't see any sign of fight.

 

4) The Dark Matter plot ending was supposed to be A) Take the necessary sacrifice in becoming the human reaper, in which humanity will have to sacrifice for the sake of the organics. B ) Screw the Reapers, we'll figure out a way to survive this. I don't know about you lot, but if this had happened, it would've been easy for Bioware to transition from ME3 to Andromeda, instead of trying to dodge the 'ending' bullet.

 

Like i said, it's just a theory i had about the Dark Matter, but if Bioware literally goes ahead with the whole 'let's spend billions of credits and God knows how many resources into building gigantic arks to just to travel in an unknown galaxy', then i'm afraid they're already starting things in a bad way. Mass Effect has never been simple, there were always these situations which were huge enough for species to be in a disarray. ME1 had Saren, ME2 had Collectors, ME3 had Reapers. So a simple, let's explore a galaxy we have no idea about instead of chilling in Earth, without a big enough reason as to why the big change, is just weird.

[dreamgazer]

True. I think for dramatic purposes, they will probably leave at the start of the Reaper War. I think that's most likely, followed by a ME2-3 departure, followed by a ME1-2 departure.

Considering how much they're touting this being a return to the spirit of ME1, and considering the inanity of "Ah yes, Reapers", I wouldn't be at all surprised if they left after the drama of ME1 (when the council(s) clearly believed in the Reaper threat).

[nfi42]

 

 

how does that work? when ME3 started with the arrival of Reapers in Earth? The end of the E3 trailer showed just normal transferring of humans to the ark, there were no reapers in the air, and i don't think there were no signs of battle. and the trailer we saw was all in-game. It wasn't a trailer different from the story.

 

Earth could be a place holder,  or even a red herring to not give too much away or to build suspense.

[wolfsite]

I've been liking the theory that the Arks were being built in secret during the 2 year period Shepard was declared dead.

 

No surprise the Council lie about the Reapers as it's there job to keep those under council law calm and peaceful, plus since Shepard was seen as part of Cerberus when he/she came back that would explain why they were so resistant in ME2.  then you have the reveal in ME3 that the Asari had knowledge about them and were being guided by the Protheans to prepare for the Reapers. Then in the Citadel DLC when you went into the archives and the database saw you as a Spectre it revealed what we all knew really happened in the Battle for the Citadel.

 

Also if Cerberus could build the SR-2 in secret it can be possible for the Council to build the Ark ships in secret, for all we know the Asari could have had the Ark's built and kept in hiding for decades or centuries.

[AlanC9]

Indeed.

There are a number of different reasons they might launch a contingency colonization plan other than the Reapers.

Like losing the rachni war or something? The big conceptual problem here is that the drive discharge problem has apparently been solved. It's OK for that to be a new tech that hasn't been and maybe can't be retrofitted onto existing vessels, but then the Ark project can't have been around for too long.

Might as well be the Reapers if it's going to be a threat that's considered imminent in the trilogy era.

[FC_paragon]

Also, i have a few points to make about whether they're just playing the simple exploration card. Let's assume that the technology being used in Andromeda, isn't that different than the ME3 trilogy, as few people mentioned here. We all know that ship, incredibly depend on Mass Relays for them to go to one cluster to another, and then the ships use their fuels to go from one system to another inside the cluster. Let's say that the arks have enough fuel to make it to the journey and also an internal mass relay to get to Andromeda. Seeing as how Bioware loves to put realism here, if it were a simple exploration, don't you think that the people who were sent there for scientific purposes, would love to come back to their own homeworld? I'm pretty sure the arks would go through enough for the journey from one galaxy to another where the distance between the Milky Way and the Andromeda is....i dunno....a million light years, i have no idea but i cna figure the distance is great. Ships use Mass Relays to cover that, but based on how if it were the present tech, an internal mass relay would be less powerful than the Mass Relays which the Reapers made. A return ticket probably won't be possible. I know it's a bit nitpicky, but Mass Effect is a nitpicky genre. Also, if it were for a simple exploration, then why arks? That seems like a whole lot of people for a simple exploration. I really hope that something really great made them take this measure. Coz it's really not that big of a deal to add something huge, coz once you're in Andromeda, the story of Milky Way is done, and by the looks of it, i don't think they can come back to Milky Way.

[AlanC9]

1) For any species to build arks the size of citadel, it will take a huge amount of resources and especially, time to build that. I highly doubt Alliance can pull this off alone without the help of other species. They took the help of every major species to build one Crucible, but 3 arks, alone? I don't think so. And about the time, it took 6 months for the Reapers to start the attack, again, i highly doubt they would've finished building those arks in 6 months, i don't care how advanced their tech is, it's just not possible.

Wait a second. Is anyone actually taking the position that the Arks were just an Alliance project? I don't know what you're arguing against here. I'm also not sure where you're getting the 6 months figure from.
 

And if the Alliance did somehow pull this off, then why would the Alliance officials ask Shepard on what to do with the Reapers in the beginning of ME3? Why didn't they just immediately start evacuating the humans before the Reapers reached Earth? What's the point of making a Crucible? What's the point of ME3 anyway then? They could've just evacuated everyone, would've saved a whole lot of people that way. Especially Shepard.

I believe the common interpretation is that the bolded is exactly what we're seeing in the E3 trailer.

As for the italed, what the hell are you talking about? Arks or no arks, surely they want to save the rest of the people in the galaxy instead of just the tiny handful on the arks. What, you think the arks could hold billions? Are you high?
 

2) Nobody, except Hackett, Anderson and Shepard's squadmates, gave a damn about what Shepard had to say. We all knew that when Shepard went to the Council and they refused to help them. Without the Council's support and it's resources, i doubt just big arks would've been possible.

The Citadel DLC says that this is not true. When the ME2 council claimed not to believe in Reapers, they were lying to Shepard.
 

3) If they did manage to build those arks, there's no way, it happened before the end of ME3. Reapers were already attacking the Earth, and the Reapers were guarding the Earth from any reinforcements to come. In the trailer, it looked like a casual transferring of humans to the ark, i didn't see any sign of fight.

This is partly false, and partly a matter of opinion. The Reapers don't arrive at Earth until several hours after Hackett and Anderson's conversation in the opening ME3 cinematic, according to the sun position. The shuttles flying to the ark don't look leisurely to me either, but I don't think there's an objective standard for the difference between a shot of a casual flight and a shot of an urgent flight.
 

4) The Dark Matter plot ending was supposed to be A) Take the necessary sacrifice in becoming the human reaper, in which humanity will have to sacrifice for the sake of the organics. Screw the Reapers, we'll figure out a way to survive this. I don't know about you lot, but if this had happened, it would've been easy for Bioware to transition from ME3 to Andromeda, instead of trying to dodge the 'ending' bullet.

Perhaps. Your point? Bio had no intention of making Andromeda when Dark Energy was one of the ideas they were kicking around, and by the time they did decide to go to Andromeda, the Dark Energy "plot" was long dead and buried.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

1) For any species to build arks the size of citadel, it will take a huge amount of resources and especially, time to build that. I highly doubt Alliance can pull this off alone without the help of other species. They took the help of every major species to build one Crucible, but 3 arks, alone? I don't think so. And about the time, it took 6 months for the Reapers to start the attack, again, i highly doubt they would've finished building those arks in 6 months, i don't care how advanced their tech is, it's just not possible. And if the Alliance did somehow pull this off, then why would the Alliance officials ask Shepard on what to do with the Reapers in the beginning of ME3? Why didn't they just immediately start evacuating the humans before the Reapers reached Earth? What's the point of making a Crucible? What's the point of ME3 anyway then? They could've just evacuated everyone, would've saved a whole lot of people that way. Especially Shepard.

It wasn't a human-only project. The Bioware devs have straight up said this was the work of a coalition of races. 

They could have started building ever since the end of Mass Effect 1, or they are repurposing ships rather than starting from scratch, or a number of other different things.

Because the Ark project is only a contingency. It will save at best a tiny fraction of the lives of the Milky Way. That still leaves saving the rest of the over 99.99999% or more of the people. Thus, the Crucible. 

 

 

2) Nobody, except Hackett, Anderson and Shepard's squadmates, gave a damn about what Shepard had to say. We all knew that when Shepard went to the Council and they refused to help them. Without the Council's support and it's resources, i doubt just big arks would've been possible.

Anderson and Hackett were the only officials who publically believed Shepard. The Citadel DLC shows us that the Council races actually believed Shepard, but hid that so as to not create a panic. Plus from the sounds of it the Arks themselves were publicly known, but their actual mission was not. It sounds like it will be explained as to the public it is just a large colonization and exploration mission. 

 

3) If they did manage to build those arks, there's no way, it happened before the end of ME3. Reapers were already attacking the Earth, and the Reapers were guarding the Earth from any reinforcements to come. In the trailer, it looked like a casual transferring of humans to the ark, i didn't see any sign of fight.

Bioware has changed things in trailers before. With Dragon Age: Inquisition trailers, they literally replaced the Red Lyrium Dragon with regular High Dragons so as not to spoil it. 

And as others have said, the Council races like the Alliance hada bit of warning before the Reapers hit Earth. They knew the Batarians were being hit, and even some colonies of humans and possibly Turians were hit as the Reapers made their way to those homeworlds. 

 

 

4) The Dark Matter plot ending was supposed to be A) Take the necessary sacrifice in becoming the human reaper, in which humanity will have to sacrifice for the sake of the organics. Screw the Reapers, we'll figure out a way to survive this. I don't know about you lot, but if this had happened, it would've been easy for Bioware to transition from ME3 to Andromeda, instead of trying to dodge the 'ending' bullet.

How? It still leaves them with two huge endings to work with, one of which being no more humans. 

Plus Mass Effect 3 has other huge things to deal with other than just the endings. They would have to address the fate of the Krogan, Rachni, Quarians, Geth, etc. Some of those races can be extinct if after Mass Effect 3, and those are big hurdles to overcome.

I think it is possible, but going to Andromeda is the path of least resistance in Bioware's eyes so that's what they went with. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Also, i have a few points to make about whether they're just playing the simple exploration card. Let's assume that the technology being used in Andromeda, isn't that different than the ME3 trilogy, as few people mentioned here. We all know that ship, incredibly depend on Mass Relays for them to go to one cluster to another, and then the ships use their fuels to go from one system to another inside the cluster.

They won't have an internal Mass Relay. Mass Relays only work in pairs, so there would have to be a Mass Relay in Andromeda already for Mass Relays to be used. We'll be using conventional FTL, with us somehow solving the drive discharge issue. 

 

Seeing as how Bioware loves to put realism here, if it were a simple exploration, don't you think that the people who were sent there for scientific purposes, would love to come back to their own homeworld?

No, not really. The people who are signing up could very well not want to come back or accept that they won't. In real life, the proposed colonization of Mars has it stated that if you go, chances are you'll never be able to come back to Earth. And yet even with that, we have loads of people who are willing to still go. 

 

I'm pretty sure the arks would go through enough for the journey from one galaxy to another where the distance between the Milky Way and the Andromeda is....i dunno....a million light years, i have no idea but i cna figure the distance is great. 

Andromeda is 2,538,000 light years away from us. 

 

Also, if it were for a simple exploration, then why arks? That seems like a whole lot of people for a simple exploration. I really hope that something really great made them take this measure. Coz it's really not that big of a deal to add something huge, coz once you're in Andromeda, the story of Milky Way is done, and by the looks of it, i don't think they can come back to Milky Way.

First, we have no idea if they are actually called Arks. It is just a name the fans have given them until Bioware reveals what they are actually called. 

Second, why not Arks? Arks are perfect vessels for this kind of mission. They not only carry people, but also water, plants, maybe animals, and infrastructure. Al;l of which help supply the people as they look for a new world once arriving and build up colonies quickly. 

 

As for the story of the Milky Way being done, perhaps not. In the future they may have a game where the people in Andromeda and people in the Milky Way build a pair of Mass Relays that allow people to travel from one to the other.