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[FC_paragon]

It wasn't a human-only project. The Bioware devs have straight up said this was the work of a coalition of races. 

They could have started building ever since the end of Mass Effect 1, or they are repurposing ships rather than starting from scratch, or a number of other different things.

Because the Ark project is only a contingency. It will save at best a tiny fraction of the lives of the Milky Way. That still leaves saving the rest of the over 99.99999% or more of the people. Thus, the Crucible. 

 

 

Anderson and Hackett were the only officials who publically believed Shepard. The Citadel DLC shows us that the Council races actually believed Shepard, but hid that so as to not create a panic. Plus from the sounds of it the Arks themselves were publicly known, but their actual mission was not. It sounds like it will be explained as to the public it is just a large colonization and exploration mission. 

 

Bioware has changed things in trailers before. With Dragon Age: Inquisition trailers, they literally replaced the Red Lyrium Dragon with regular High Dragons so as not to spoil it. 

And as others have said, the Council races like the Alliance hada bit of warning before the Reapers hit Earth. They knew the Batarians were being hit, and even some colonies of humans and possibly Turians were hit as the Reapers made their way to those homeworlds. 

 

 

How? It still leaves them with two huge endings to work with, one of which being no more humans. 

Plus Mass Effect 3 has other huge things to deal with other than just the endings. They would have to address the fate of the Krogan, Rachni, Quarians, Geth, etc. Some of those races can be extinct if after Mass Effect 3, and those are big hurdles to overcome.

I think it is possible, but going to Andromeda is the path of least resistance in Bioware's eyes so that's what they went with. 

I'm not talking about a human only project. It was an assumption. And i wonder, as the person replying before you said, those 3 arks can't possibly hold the population of the earth. And i agree with that, but i wonder if there are more than 3 arks. Because Citadel had a population of 13 million. And if they are in the same size and scope, then is it possible for the evacuation to take place? it's all open ended. And if the Council did recognize the Reaper threat, then why, of all the people, did they not inform this to Shepard? I mean seriously, you'd think he would have the right to know such an important thing to just give him a peace of mind. Throughout the trilogy he's been furious over the Council for not believing him. And then later on he knows that the Council kept it a secret because they didn't want to instill fear to the people. Well i'm sure Shepard can keep a secret.

[FC_paragon]

They won't have an internal Mass Relay. Mass Relays only work in pairs, so there would have to be a Mass Relay in Andromeda already for Mass Relays to be used. We'll be using conventional FTL, with us somehow solving the drive discharge issue. 

 

No, not really. The people who are signing up could very well not want to come back or accept that they won't. In real life, the proposed colonization of Mars has it stated that if you go, chances are you'll never be able to come back to Earth. And yet even with that, we have loads of people who are willing to still go. 

 

Andromeda is 2,538,000 light years away from us. 

 

First, we have no idea if they are actually called Arks. It is just a name the fans have given them until Bioware reveals what they are actually called. 

Second, why not Arks? Arks are perfect vessels for this kind of mission. They not only carry people, but also water, plants, maybe animals, and infrastructure. Al;l of which help supply the people as they look for a new world once arriving and build up colonies quickly. 

 

As for the story of the Milky Way being done, perhaps not. In the future they may have a game where the people in Andromeda and people in the Milky Way build a pair of Mass Relays that allow people to travel from one to the other. 

The Citadel had it's own internal Mass Relay. It propelled itself to the Sol System during the end of ME3. If the Citadel can, i'm sure that those 'arks' can have them too. If someone reverse engineered the Citadel of course. And i would call the arks as 'gigantic grapple hooks' but 'arks' seems easier to say. XD And i see your point about people not wanting to come back. Seems the Ryder family willingly volunteered for this.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm not talking about a human only project. It was an assumption. And i wonder, as the person replying before you said, those 3 arks can't possibly hold the population of the earth. And i agree with that, but i wonder if there are more than 3 arks. Because Citadel had a population of 13 million. And if they are in the same size and scope, then is it possible for the evacuation to take place? it's all open ended. And if the Council did recognize the Reaper threat, then why, of all the people, did they not inform this to Shepard? I mean seriously, you'd think he would have the right to know such an important thing to just give him a peace of mind. Throughout the trilogy he's been furious over the Council for not believing him. And then later on he knows that the Council kept it a secret because they didn't want to instill fear to the people. Well i'm sure Shepard can keep a secret.

We have no idea how big the Arks ships are. I don't think they are the size of the Citadel. I see them as the size of say the Collector ships. Still able to hold a ton of people and supplies, but not Citadel amount.

 

The Council has good reason not to, at least before the Reaper War. Shepard was dead for two years then is brought back to life and is working with Cerberus, a terrorist organization who has made enemies with every race in the galaxy. Even Anderson didn't trust us fully at first until after Horizon. After the Reaper War started, yes I agree they should have told Shepard but it is understandable why they didn't, since by then the mission could have succeeded already or was in the final stage so didn't want to risk it, as well as there being other things on their mind like all the people who wouldn't be able to escape on them. 

 

The Citadel had it's own internal Mass Relay. It propelled itself to the Sol System during the end of ME3. If the Citadel can, i'm sure that those 'arks' can have them too. If someone reverse engineered the Citadel of course. And i would call the arks as 'gigantic grapple hooks' but 'arks' seems easier to say. XD And i see your point about people not wanting to come back. Seems the Ryder family willingly volunteered for this.

Did it? I thought it used conventional FTL or maybe used the Mass Relay Array to get from the Serpent Nebula to the Sol System. Where is it said it used its Mass Relay to get to Earth? 

Regardless, Mass Relays only work in tandem. Even if the Citadel used the Mass Relay inside it, it had to connect to the Charon Relay to make the jump. Unless the Reapers have been in Andromeda as well, there is no Mass Relay to connect to to form that corridor. 

 

Maybe that will be our background options: Choosing why we signed on to the mission. 

[Armass81]

It didnt get leaked, this is misinformation floating around. The original AI endings were there in the leaks pretty much as they are now, I checked them. There was nothing about dark energy in the leaks. It was just once an idea that they were playing around, somehow something of it got stuck in ME2, i guess the ending wasnt finalized by then.

 

And no the Dark Energy plot isnt the reason, its a stupid plot and should stay buried.

[FC_paragon]

We have no idea how big the Arks ships are. I don't think they are the size of the Citadel. I see them as the size of say the Collector ships. Still able to hold a ton of people and supplies, but not Citadel amount.

 

The Council has good reason not to, at least before the Reaper War. Shepard was dead for two years then is brought back to life and is working with Cerberus, a terrorist organization who has made enemies with every race in the galaxy. Even Anderson didn't trust us fully at first until after Horizon. After the Reaper War started, yes I agree they should have told Shepard but it is understandable why they didn't, since by then the mission could have succeeded already or was in the final stage so didn't want to risk it, as well as there being other things on their mind like all the people who wouldn't be able to escape on them. 

 

Did it? I thought it used conventional FTL or maybe used the Mass Relay Array to get from the Serpent Nebula to the Sol System. Where is it said it used its Mass Relay to get to Earth? 

Regardless, Mass Relays only work in tandem. Even if the Citadel used the Mass Relay inside it, it had to connect to the Charon Relay to make the jump. Unless the Reapers have been in Andromeda as well, there is no Mass Relay to connect to to form that corridor. 

 

Maybe that will be our background options: Choosing why we signed on to the mission. 

It sort of propelled itself to Earth. https://www.reddit.c...tadel_to_earth/

[AlanC9]

I'm not talking about a human only project. It was an assumption. And i wonder, as the person replying before you said, those 3 arks can't possibly hold the population of the earth. And i agree with that, but i wonder if there are more than 3 arks. Because Citadel had a population of 13 million. And if they are in the same size and scope, then is it possible for the evacuation to take place? it's all open ended.

Well, except that they aren't that big and there aren't that many of them. To evacuate just Earth with Citadel-size arks would require well over 800 of the things, and the idea that the races in Shepard's cycle can build even one of those is silly,

Sure, it's open-ended, but only if you're willing to make preposterous assumptions.

And if the Council did recognize the Reaper threat, then why, of all the people, did they not inform this to Shepard?

You mean, tell the guy working for a shadowy terrorist organization? They could have told him by ME3, yes, but by that point it was moot.

[FC_paragon]

Well, except that they aren't that big and there aren't that many of them. To evacuate just Earth with Citadel-size arks would require well over 800 of the things, and the idea that the races in Shepard's cycle can build even one of those is silly,

Sure, it's open-ended, but only if you're willing to make preposterous assumptions.


You mean, tell the guy working for a shadowy terrorist organization? They could have told him by ME3, yes, but by that point it was moot.

How is that moot? I mean think about it, Shepard spent 3 games trying to convince the Council that the Reaper threat was imminent. If they had shared this idea with Shepard then at least Shepard would've had this peace of mind that they believe him and that they have a contingency plan. I'm sure that would've taken a huge load off of his chest for him to know that he's not the only one trying so damn hard to  ensure the survival of the organic races.

[Mcfly616]

  Dark "Energy"....

[AlanC9]

How is that moot? I mean think about it, Shepard spent 3 games trying to convince the Council that the Reaper threat was imminent. If they had shared this idea with Shepard then at least Shepard would've had this peace of mind that they believe him and that they have a contingency plan. I'm sure that would've taken a huge load off of his chest for him to know that he's not the only one trying so damn hard to  ensure the survival of the organic races.

You're muddling up two unrelated things here. Whether the Council believed Shepard or not is irrelevant in ME3; they certainly believe him now, since the Reapers have arrived.

As for peace of mind, we'll see. Maybe nobody's going to know that the Arks got away safely, maybe they'll say that Shepard knew about them all along, maybe they don't think Shepard needs peaches of me be to be effective, maybe.... there are a lot of ways they could go, and we won't know which for a while.

[Kabooooom]

They won't have an internal Mass Relay. Mass Relays only work in pairs, so there would have to be a Mass Relay in Andromeda already for Mass Relays to be used. We'll be using conventional FTL, with us somehow solving the drive discharge issue.

No, not really. The people who are signing up could very well not want to come back or accept that they won't. In real life, the proposed colonization of Mars has it stated that if you go, chances are you'll never be able to come back to Earth. And yet even with that, we have loads of people who are willing to still go.

Andromeda is 2,538,000 light years away from us.

First, we have no idea if they are actually called Arks. It is just a name the fans have given them until Bioware reveals what they are actually called.
Second, why not Arks? Arks are perfect vessels for this kind of mission. They not only carry people, but also water, plants, maybe animals, and infrastructure. Al;l of which help supply the people as they look for a new world once arriving and build up colonies quickly.

As for the story of the Milky Way being done, perhaps not. In the future they may have a game where the people in Andromeda and people in the Milky Way build a pair of Mass Relays that allow people to travel from one to the other.

While they haven't yet confirmed that they are called Arks, there is some legit evidence for that beyond our speculative Ark theory In the trailer from last year, when the N7 dude is selecting a destination, if you pause it in juuuuust the right spot, you can see a destination labeled "ARK" off to the side a little bit. Someone took a screenshot of it back in the day, I'm too lazy to find it. It's not 100% clear due to the image quality and the nature of the video, but it's clear enough to see what it says in my opinion. Also, circumstantial but - in a recent interview, the interviewer used the word "Ark" and Walters (I think it was him) didn't correct him and just responded as if it was legit, but he never said "ark" himself.

And they probably can't say anything, really. "Ark" is an extremely loaded term - it directly implies an exodus from disaster by its very nature, and an "Ark project" would therefore imply an exodus from the Reapers (most likely).

I do think they started out with an intent to call them Arks - I was pretty convinced by that trailer clue. But, they may change the name of the ships if they haven't already. After all, in early ME1 promo materials, the Citadel was called the "Oculus" (Goddamn that's a stupid name).

EDIT: I found an even better image of it than the one I was thinking of. It isn't blurry at all, and clearly says ARK. Credit goes to Vazgen, who found it like a boss-

http://forum.bioware...kdown-analysis/

Also, of note - it's hidden in the video in plain sight, exactly how the Ryder dog tags were hidden in plain sight in the N7 day trailer. It was clearly deliberate, for what it's worth.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

While they haven't yet confirmed that they are called Arks, there is some legit evidence for that beyond our speculative Ark theory In the trailer from last year, when the N7 dude is selecting a destination, if you pause it in juuuuust the right spot, you can see a destination labeled "ARK" off to the side a little bit. Someone took a screenshot of it back in the day, I'm too lazy to find it. It's not 100% clear due to the image quality and the nature of the video, but it's clear enough to see what it says in my opinion. Also, circumstantial but - in a recent interview, the interviewer used the word "Ark" and Walters (I think it was him) didn't correct him and just responded as if it was legit, but he never said "ark" himself.

And they probably can't say anything, really. "Ark" is an extremely loaded term - it directly implies an exodus from disaster by its very nature, and an "Ark project" would therefore imply an exodus from the Reapers (most likely).

I do think they started out with an intent to call them Arks - I was pretty convinced by that trailer clue. But, they may change the name of the ships if they haven't already. After all, in early ME1 promo materials, the Citadel was called the "Oculus" (Goddamn that's a stupid name).

EDIT: I found an even better image of it than the one I was thinking of. It isn't blurry at all, and clearly says ARK. Credit goes to Vazgen, who found it like a boss-

http://forum.bioware...kdown-analysis/

Also, of note - it's hidden in the video in plain sight, exactly how the Ryder dog tags were hidden in plain sight in the N7 day trailer. It was clearly deliberate, for what it's worth.

Oh, I agree that there is evidence for that being the correct term. I didn't mean to imply it was baseless, just that calling them Arks has so far remained a fan-only thing, at least officially. Same with the Ryder tag. Bioware left a clue, but they didn't officially announce it until E3. 

[Kabooooom]

Oh, I agree that there is evidence for that being the correct term. I didn't mean to imply it was baseless, just that calling them Arks has so far remained a fan-only thing, at least officially. Same with the Ryder tag. Bioware left a clue, but they didn't officially announce it until E3.

Yep. And unless they change the name of the Arks like they did the Citadel (can we just reflect on how much better a name "Citadel" is than "Oculus", lol) - I bet the reason they haven't used the term "Ark" publically is because of the story implications.

It also wouldn't be the first time Bioware has used religious imagery or words with religious connotation in Mass Effect.

[Sanunes]

Honestly the further BioWare stays away from Mass Effect 3 even the rumored "spitball ideas" from development to the actual content from the game the better it is in my eyes for I don't want to have 100's of threads talking about "how my choice didn't matter" or "why don't they admit they were wrong" or something else that people will read from between the lines of whatever content they release.

[Malanek]

Sigh. The dark matter plot was never an ending and was not an alternative to destroy, control or synthesis. It was the Reapers motivation. It was the equivalent of the Reapers capturing organic life, building a monument to it, then destroying it so that the next cycle could flourish before inorganic life took over. I'm not convinced either motivations were very good.

[Blueblood]

Maybe they're going to Andromeda because they hear the parties are better there.

[FC_paragon]

Well in any case, i just hope it call clears out this year. So far we can only speculate and have theories, although it was fun having a discussion like this in the Bioware forums after so many years

[RiptideX1090]

The dark energy screwing with solar material bit is canon, it's a part of the game's lore, regardless of whether they acknowledged it in the original trilogy or not. Honestly, I'd be surprised if that thread never got pulled again.

 

Personally, I think it would make the most sense for the Crucible's detonation to have caused a negative chain reaction with the relays that is causing problems throughout our galaxy and making the dark energy problem get worse. Hence the need to go to Andromeda, as a means to escape the doom, and possibly to find a way to reverse it.

 

Or maybe we decided to go to Andromeda just because or whatever.

 

*shrug*

[Ahriman]

Sigh. The dark matter plot was never an ending and was not an alternative to destroy, control or synthesis. It was the Reapers motivation. It was the equivalent of the Reapers capturing organic life, building a monument to it, then destroying it so that the next cycle could flourish before inorganic life took over. I'm not convinced either motivations were very good.

Well, to me "we kill you, so others have a chance to live" sounds better than "we kill you, so you don't kill yourself, which you might not, but we can kill you to prove our point". Synthetics killing organics, because organics are doomed to be killed by synthetics is self-looped logic, which I was never fan of.

[TurianSpectre]

I have this theory. I think Drew Karpyshyn's plot will finally be used here. I think the reason all the major species are even beginning to attempt to travel to a nearby galaxy is because the Dark Matter is spreading in the Milky Way and now it's about to consume the galaxy and probably even more. I don't know if anyone remembers this but this was supposed to be the main reason as to why the Reapers were so hell bent in harvesting anyone, and why Harbinger continuously said, "We are your salvation, through destruction." in ME2. They were creating Reapers to stop spread the Dark Matter, and then they found the most promising species (humans) and believed that in creating a human reaper will finally stop the Dark Matter spread, and that's why they went full force into harvesting humans for the Human Reaper. But since Karypyshyn's ending got leaked for ME3, and then they had to bring up with the A,B, and C options, this was thrown out the window. But i think now it's playing a pivotal reason as to why they're going to Andromeda, and that it's all about survival now. What do you think?

Dark Matter is invisible and fills in all the space that we can't see... so highly inaccurate

[FC_paragon]

Dark Matter is invisible and fills in all the space that we can't see... so highly inaccurate

Yet it can perfectly distort suns and cause it to act so weird that you can't even go out in the sunlight without having your skin melt away.

[nfi42]

Yet it can perfectly distort suns and cause it to act so weird that you can't even go out in the sunlight without having your skin melt away.

 

 

Physics fail. If they are to going to come up with some substance which make suns do weird things,  you should  use a substance that we don't know anything about.

[TurianSpectre]

Physics fail. If they are to going to come up with some substance which make suns do weird things,  you should  use a substance that we don't know anything about.

Exactly my point, we know enough about dark matter to know that it can't do that because it is all around us, we just can't see it but it is there as that is one of the main contributors to creating planets and stars with gravity

[nfi42]

Exactly my point, we know enough about dark matter to know that it can't do that because it is all around us, we just can't see it but it is there as that is one of the main contributors to creating planets and stars with gravity

 

Maybe that's why Bioware dropped Dark Matter.  I think DM was postulated to be like that even back then.

 

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[TurianSpectre]

Maybe that's why Bioware dropped Dark Matter.  I think DM was postulated to that even back then.

 

I'm all out of likes.

Yeah they have astronomer consultants working with them so that the actual physics behind the key fundamentals is correct so that future technology seems feasible,

 

and yeah i know the feeling lol