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[Majestic Jazz]

My guess is that they're going to ignore everything the entire trilogy does as far as player choices go.

The whole point of going to Andromeda is so BioWare doesn't have to worry about the insane number of branching paths the Shep trilogy creates or making one set of choices canon. Turning around and throwing that away by acknowledging our choices doesn't make sense given that.

Exactly.

Going to Andromeda wasnt out of some novel artistic vision. It was cause they backed themselves into a corner with the ME Trilogy so the only way they can continue with sequels to to essentially do a soft reboot by going to another galaxy 400-600 years into the future.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

How will we get some good ol' Krogan genophage angst or Quarian "I have no home planet" angst if they know what happened in ME3???

[capn233]

They will probably ignore nearly everything.

 

However, it isn't clear to me that the Shepard trilogy really did have all that much in the way of alternative outcomes that would actually matter several hundred years into the future.  And these aren't really insurmountable with a little explanation and or retconn.

 

Various NPCs living or dying doesn't make a lot of difference in the grand scheme of things.  You "let the council die" and a new council magically pops up.  So basically there was always a council.  You name Anderson councilor, and then Udina is councilor.  You blow up or don't blow up the Collector Base and TIM has all sort of reaper tech regardless.  And so on and so forth.

 

Now whether a race is extinct or not is a little bit bigger.  These are basically the only trilogy decisions that would make the future any different in a noticeable manner.  Even so, you kill the Rachni in ME1 and magically they are back in ME3.  So it isn't like this would be unprecedented.

[AlanC9]

If you kill the rachni in ME1, they stay dead. The fact that you fight some rachni-shaped Reaper slaves anyway is true, but trivial.

You could nevertheless go this route with, say, the geth, by having fake geth running around in sequels even though the geth culture has been exterminated, or by having no quarians around but a codex entry saying that they really are out there someplace. But given the unpopularity of the way the rachni choice was handled, it seem like a lousy model to follow. And this would also tie you to supporting save imports even as the imports become harder to handle with each iteration..

[Sartoz]

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"...since Andromeda is the cause of the reapers attacking and people trying to escape to another system..."

 

Wut? My Computor Machine is now displaying a BSoD. On reboot, it went CTD.

[The Twilight God]

Sure, but an easy fix for this is to have the Reapers blow up the MW end of the QEC.

Either way it confirms one or the other. No communication back = Reapers win. There is no way around it.

[AlanC9]

Either way it confirms one or the other. No communication back = Reapers win. There is no way around it.

I don't follow. A QEC terminal is a single device. The Reapers blowing up one building and wrecking the QEC terminal in it doesn't say anything much about the outcome of the war.

[Gonder]

If the Arks depart following the events of Mass Effect 3, I'm probably going to have to keelah ****** to make up for Bioware ruining so many of my plans... 

[meg5493]

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"...since Andromeda is the cause of the reapers attacking and people trying to escape to another system..."

 

Wut? My Computor Machine is now displaying a BSoD. On reboot, it went CTD.

Sorry if it sounds confusing ( ´థ,_‥థ｀) what I meant is since the whole premise of Andromeda is trying to escape from the reapers in 3, we're leave to another system to find a new home.

[Gileadan]

Sorry if it sounds confusing ( ´థ,_‥థ｀) what I meant is since the whole premise of Andromeda is trying to escape from the reapers in 3, we're leave to another system to find a new home.

Actually, according to the trailers so far, we leave the Milky Way to be explorers. The arks are shown to leave a peaceful looking earth behind, and the voice-overs are about exploration and going where no wo/man has gone before.  Nothing is burning, no angry space-cuttlefish anywhere to be seen, so we are likely leaving before anyone believed Shepard's doomsday story.

 

The whole premise of Andromeda is to avoid picking any canon ending and just leave that can of worms behind.

[meg5493]

Actually, according to the trailers so far, we leave the Milky Way to be explorers. The arks are shown to leave a peaceful looking earth behind, and the voice-overs are about exploration and going where no wo/man has gone before.  Nothing is burning, no angry space-cuttlefish anywhere to be seen, so we are likely leaving before anyone believed Shepard's doomsday story.

 

The whole premise of Andromeda is to avoid picking any canon ending and just leave that can of worms behind.

Thats what I'm saying though when does the ark "actually" leave? Definitely before any of the endings for of course but for something that massive of a scale Shepard would have had  to have heard about it especially during their time with Cerberus. And are talking about the sections of the trailers with live footage? Either way them skipping town to escape the reapers fits in with the whole finding a new home in another galaxy but hey i could be wrong.

[Arcian]

Depends on when the Ark fleet leaves.
Doesn't stop the Milky Way sending a message for the Arks to read when they wake up...

Messages are propagated at light speed, that means any message sent from the Milky Way to Andromeda would take 2.5 million years to arrive.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Le's hope we see very little of the first three titles. Let's have some other villans than the reapers, Cerberus and retextured generic mercs (like Blue Suns, Blood Pack and Eclipse). I would rather have something to shoot at with a story that fits Andromeda.

[Gileadan]

Thats what I'm saying though when does the ark "actually" leave? Definitely before any of the endings for of course but for something that massive of a scale Shepard would have had  to have heard about it especially during their time with Cerberus. And are talking about the sections of the trailers with live footage? Either way them skipping town to escape the reapers fits in with the whole finding a new home in another galaxy but hey i could be wrong.

Yes, Shepard (or at least Admiral Hackett!) would have heard of it, most likely... but since the devs hadn't had any of this in mind when they made the original trilogy, all we can hope for is a not too hamfisted derrière-pull that explains when and how the project got underway and how we completely overlooked its existence during the previous story.

[The Twilight God]

I don't follow. A QEC terminal is a single device. The Reapers blowing up one building and wrecking the QEC terminal in it doesn't say anything much about the outcome of the war.

Yeah it does. The top secret mission's top secret terminal is just lying around with everything else for the Reapers to destroy. It would be somewhere in the space between stars like the Crucible.

What I'm thinking they'll do is make up some pseudo-science bs reason where the you can track the location of the twin particle. So they don't bring one at all or something like that and completely cut ties. They've already demonstrated a propensity to use space magic.

[RiptideX1090]

Yes, Shepard (or at least Admiral Hackett!) would have heard of it, most likely... but since the devs hadn't had any of this in mind when they made the original trilogy, all we can hope for is a not too hamfisted derrière-pull that explains when and how the project got underway and how we completely overlooked its existence during the previous story.

If the Arks were around before ME3 then no matter what they do it's going to feel forced. No one but Hackett and Anderson believed Shepard about the Reapers, and there is no way they would of had the clout to make the Arks and convince people of every race to get on them, nor would they have wasted the COLOSSAL resources required when they could of put it towards putting more stuff together for the Reapers. You know. Like dreadnoughts. Thannix cannons. Carriers. Any of those things would of flown with the Alliance Brass (especially given escalating hostility with the Batarians), while I can't see the Arks doing that. We've only been on the Galactic scene for less than thirty years, I can't see the novelty having worn off on humanity so quickly as to warrant wanting to go to Andromeda, and that's the only other motive people could have in that time frame, because no one was taking the Reaper threat seriously.

 

I mean, they COULD go that route, but like I said, there's no way it's ever going to read as anything other than being incredibly ham-fisted.

[The Twilight God]

If the Arks were around before ME3 then no matter what they do it's going to feel forced. No one but Hackett and Anderson believed Shepard about the Reapers, and there is no way they would of had the clout to make the Arks and convince people of every race to get on them, nor would they have wasted the COLOSSAL resources required when they could of put it towards putting more stuff together for the Reapers. You know. Like dreadnoughts. Thannix cannons. Carriers. Any of those things would of flown with the Alliance Brass (especially given escalating hostility with the Batarians), while I can't see the Arks doing that. We've only been on the Galactic scene for less than thirty years, I can't see the novelty having worn off on humanity so quickly as to warrant wanting to go to Andromeda, and that's the only other motive people could have in that time frame, because no one was taking the Reaper threat seriously.
 
I mean, they COULD go that route, but like I said, there's no way it's ever going to read as anything other than being incredibly ham-fisted.

On Mars, the Protheans left a treasure trove of deus ex machinas. So even before ME1 they found the Ark designs way back when, but hit a dead end. Then after ME1 Hackett got the program up and running again and the Alliance got the aid of the top asari, salarian and turian engineers to work on the project in secret. I'm sure Liara, being so important, found something in the Archives while Shep was in jail and that was the final icing on the cake. Of course everyone keeps this from Shepard because reasons. The Council secretly gets volunteers from all the races. Bioware will ignore the individual issues with certain races that will make this untenable because F the lore. Ark takes off before ME3 starts. And they won't have a quantum entanglement communicator because of some pseudo-science space magic bs about Reaper possibly being able to track their location via the entangled particle left behind in the milky way. So no way to communicate with the Milky Way and know what happened. Or they'll just be lazy and act like QEC don't exist. Maybe this is give them an excuse to throw protheans in Andromeda as with the Crucible we're just following in their footsteps.

What's your prediction, folks?

[Urizen]

Yeah it does. The top secret mission's top secret terminal is just lying around with everything else for the Reapers to destroy. It would be somewhere in the space between stars like the Crucible.

What I'm thinking they'll do is make up some pseudo-science bs reason where the you can track the location of the twin particle. So they don't bring one at all or something like that and completely cut ties. They've already demonstrated a propensity to use space magic.

 

http://masseffect.wi...mmunication_Hub

 

Nope. They are not all in space.

[Gileadan]

If the Arks were around before ME3 then no matter what they do it's going to feel forced. No one but Hackett and Anderson believed Shepard about the Reapers, and there is no way they would of had the clout to make the Arks and convince people of every race to get on them, nor would they have wasted the COLOSSAL resources required when they could of put it towards putting more stuff together for the Reapers. You know. Like dreadnoughts. Thannix cannons. Carriers. Any of those things would of flown with the Alliance Brass (especially given escalating hostility with the Batarians), while I can't see the Arks doing that. We've only been on the Galactic scene for less than thirty years, I can't see the novelty having worn off on humanity so quickly as to warrant wanting to go to Andromeda, and that's the only other motive people could have in that time frame, because no one was taking the Reaper threat seriously.

 

I mean, they COULD go that route, but like I said, there's no way it's ever going to read as anything other than being incredibly ham-fisted.

It is a colossal waste of resources no matter when it happens, given that the milky way seems far from completely explored and for how little time humanity has been able of interstellar travel. 

 

But you know who steps up whenever the Alliance can't be arsed - tadaaa! Cerberus!  Just kidding. I hope.

 

One way or the other, it won't be easy to explain, but then again, it's BioWare. If the DA elves can find out that they had their religion almost completely wrong the entire time, then sure a few arks can be shoehorned into the ME storyline.

[Fixers0]

On Mars, the Protheans left a treasure trove of deus ex machinas. So even before ME1 they found the Ark designs way back when, but hit a dead end. Then after ME1 Hackett got the program up and running again and the Alliance got the aid of the top asari, salarian and turian engineers to work on the project in secret. I'm sure Liara, being so important, found something in the Archives while Shep was in jail and that was the final icing on the cake. Of course everyone keeps this from Shepard because reasons. The Council secretly gets volunteers from all the races. Bioware will ignore the individual issues with certain races that will make this untenable because F the lore. Ark takes off before ME3 starts. And they won't have a quantum entanglement communicator because of some pseudo-science space magic bs about Reaper possibly being able to track their location via the entangled particle left behind in the milky way. So no way to communicate with the Milky Way and know what happened. Or they'll just be lazy and act like QEC don't exist. Maybe this is give them an excuse to throw protheans in Andromeda as with the Crucible we're just following in their footsteps.

 

Mind you, There is supposedly a 6000 (solar?) year gap between the trilogy and Andromeda, They could easily cop-out and say the communicator has failed over such a time period, or was rendered obsolete, or whatever, really. Technology isn't flawless after all, even in Mass Effect.

[UpUpAway]

Messages are propagated at light speed, that means any message sent from the Milky Way to Andromeda would take 2.5 million years to arrive.

 

That can't be accurate for ME... Shepard and company literally communicate instantaneously with TIM and with Anderson and Hackett from places many, many lightyears away within the Galaxy.  If what you're saying is true in the ME Milky Way Galaxy, then Shepard's conversations with these individuals would have taken years to complete.

[capn233]

If you kill the rachni in ME1, they stay dead. The fact that you fight some rachni-shaped Reaper slaves anyway is true, but trivial.

 

They don't stay dead because the reapers resurrect them, and specifically they apparently clone a queen.

 

It isn't trivial because it is an example of a decision essentially being ignored, but mildly altered with some dialogue.  If you killed them in ME1 then you lose war assets if you save the queen.  If you saved them, you gain a few.  The game itself is largely the same, you don't encounter rachni basically anywhere else where it has bearing on the plot.

 

Likewise you can pull Quarians or Geth out of a hat at will.  Or you can sidestep it by leaving them out of the game and claiming "the quarians isolated themselves from the rest of the galaxy on Rannoch after the war" or switch that to Geth depending on outcome.  If you want them in the game it is basically trivial to say some survived.  It isn't like the main character has every gone around the galaxy to run a census of various races.

[capn233]

That can't be accurate for ME... Shepard and company literally communicate instantaneously with TIM and with Anderson and Hackett from places many, many lightyears away within the Galaxy.  If what you're saying is true in the ME Milky Way Galaxy, then Shepard's conversations with these individuals would have taken years to complete.

 

Standard comms go at lightspeed until they hit the FTL network, which essentially ran over the relays.

 

QEC skips that step altogether.

[UpUpAway]

Standard comms go at lightspeed until they hit the FTL network, which essentially ran over the relays.

 

QEC skips that step altogether.

 

Thank you for putting it in the more explicit terms it deserved... as opposed to the statement about "messages" in general.  Still not sure it was implemented very accurately, since the SR-1 obviously didn't have a QEC (that is, Shepard didn't know what a QEC even was until he asked EDI about it) and Shepard was receiving information from Hackett and engaging in conversations with him while the Normandy was in distant clusters throughout the Galaxy.  Ok, if the Normandy is sitting right on top of a Relay (actually you mean comm buoys - which are smaller relays and more numerous), but problematic for the Normandy's side of the convo when it's messages have to travel even a matter of minutes, hours or days to get to a comm buoy from whatever planet it's orbiting.  The distances within the individual clusters is really just "ignored" in ME from the start.  Furthermore, in ME3, Udina notes that the Reapers are actively destroying the comm buoys.... which supposedly results in the communications becoming laden with static... as opposed to slowing them down inordinately.

 

The Rachni also have an ability for "organic QEC" not restricted to the same degree of "point-to-point" issues as regular QEC (so perhaps Binary-Helix had cracked a way to improve comms through their study of the Rachni, and that research was somehow accessed by the Council or Alliance after Shepard nukes Peak 15 (regardless of whether or not he/she destroys the Rachni Queen).

[SNascimento]

Andromeda will probably ignore everything from all three games. 

It's easier to ask: what you think it will NOT ignore.