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[deeydiddy]

I've been playing Dragon Age Inquisition Multiplayer since Christmas and over the last couple of months have been grinding...I mean grinding to get a Hakkon. I'm at over 200 visits to Nightmare dragons, with many friends on the leaderboards determined to help me get one. We have all taken to strange rituals around the dragon gong: dances, jigs, flying leaps...anything to get the game gods to pay attention to my efforts and determination. 

 

I've been told that there are prerequisites to getting a Hakkon.

• Have all the level 26 blue uniques (Revered Defenders)
• Have all the level 26 purple uiniques
• Grind Nightmare Dragons

I have all of this and continue the grind, and still have NO Hakkons. So imagine my surprise when my friend who plays with me often and has half my stats, got a Hakkon on his 5th visit to Nightmare (when I had over 100 at that point). He now has 4...almost all acquired when I was with him.

 

To add insult to injury, I watched a Noob (stats 10-13-11) trying out the game during EA access free game event drop into my Nightmare dragon run...GET THE HAKKON BOW! I nearly threw my controller at the console I was so LIVID! The guy spent the whole game in the fade (which is also one of the myths...since I've faded many times in Nightmare). He was a level 1 Legionnaire who didn't have his shield equipped (yes, it is possible). The statement the narrator makes in the proving grounds about the "new recruits not knowing which end of the sword was sharp" was embodied by this guy. And HE got the Hakkon.

 

I'm not angry at him...he is actually a really nice guy and felt terrible about the whole thing. I am furious at EA. Everything you have been told about how to get a Hakkon is bogus. It is totally and completely random. It would be nice if the game would actually reward players that have stuck with the game for months, completing challenges, promoting characters, doing the grind in the harder levels of difficulty. But no, it's all random.

 

I hope that EA would consider fixing the system to make it a little more effort based. I can respect that. In the meantime, I will continue dancing around the dragon gong in hopes of a Hakkon.

[Silversmurf]

 

I've been told that there are prerequisites to getting a Hakkon.

• Have all the level 26 blue uniques (Revered Defenders)    bullshit
• Have all the level 26 purple uiniques     bullshit
• Grind Nightmare Dragons    partly true for the first 4 Hakkons, can get from store too (click my name for the drop rates)

 

800+ item score is the only prereq  (stated by devs and even that's debatable but most likely true since Luke said it)

 

You get them from Nightmare/Heartbreaker dragons and the store.

 

It's luck after that.

 

I will say 15% chance for your first one isn't that bad but if over 200 dragons and still no first one then your luck is bad.

 

Oh, and the game did reward me for sticking with it since January 2015.  I had everything since 4th December 2015 where players were rewarded with high loot chests as a thank you from the developers.  Support ended 4th January 2016 (but technically it ended on the final December 2015 challenge)

[Sophloph]

Just an FYI because there is a lot of speculation about it, I did get my first Hakkon from a store bought chest, nothing special about the circumstances(didn't just run a nightmare or anything before, I think the match was perilous) It took me 180 Nightmare Runs, about 150 of which were dragons. My only advice is keep playing, keep grinding. It is awful when you're playing with someone with no experience and they get a Hakkon when you've tried so hard, but really its just like a lottery, and some people get lucky. If you don't have at least 50/60 cunning in my opinion, the Hakkon weapon you get will only be as effective as other equipment you may have gotten already. High crit chance makes it shine the brightest.

[Silversmurf]

You don't need to have ever played NM or HB to get all the Hakkons because of the store...  

 

It's pretty impossible to prevent accumulating item cards that contribute to your score.

[Sophloph]

On that note, does item score have any correlation with how many or what lvl items you have kept in your inventory? I would assume not, as someone that has only 4 or 5 promotions could still obtain a Hakkon through the store, and couldn't possibly have accumulated more than a bunch of trash.

[Silversmurf]

No

[deeydiddy]

I forgot to say my console is xBox One.

 

Item score can't have anything to do with it, since the Noob that got the Hakkon had only been playing the game for a day. I calculate that I have procured thousands of items during gameplay. 2-3 items per run, sometimes more. I open every treasure chest, every time (run with balanced groups so that we can open every treasure door), unless somebody pulls me before I get to it. I buy from 10 to 12 chests nearly every day, over 6 months of gameplay (I know...I need a life). My Inquisition score is 770.

 

I've heard of people, and even know one, who had a similar experience. Over 300 Nightmare runs and not one Hakkon. She finally complained here the the forum (I couldn't find her thread). Someone from either EA or Bioware (can't remember which) told her she was bugged. The next day during play, she got her first Hakkon...and that was a month ago, so apparently they can and will do something about it if someone brings it to their attention. So, I'm thinking I'm bugged. I'm bringing it to your attention game gods. Please have mercy and fix my account.

[Silversmurf]

Someone could keep one character at level 20 with stats 10/10/10, never promote, only ever play Threatening, collect gold and 800+ items and get all the Hakkons before you.

[Silversmurf]

I forgot to say my console is xBox One.

Item score can't have anything to do with it, since the Noob that got the Hakkon had only been playing the game for a day. I calculate that I have procured thousands of items during gameplay. 2-3 items per run, sometimes more. I open every treasure chest, every time (run with balanced groups so that we can open every treasure door), unless somebody pulls me before I get to it. I buy from 10 to 12 chests nearly every day, over 6 months of gameplay (I know...I need a life). My Inquisition score is 770.

I've heard of people, and even know one, who had a similar experience. Over 300 Nightmare runs and not one Hakkon. She finally complained here the the forum (I couldn't find her thread). Someone from either EA or Bioware (can't remember which) told her she was bugged. The next day during play, she got her first Hakkon...and that was a month ago, so apparently they can and will do something about it if someone brings it to their attention. So, I'm thinking I'm bugged. I'm bringing it to your attention game gods. Please have mercy and fix my account.

You would need to speak to Luke about your disbelief.

And a % chance as low as we have in this game you might never get a Hakkon. Nothing is guaranteed here and plenty of people have seen worse luck than you. There are some real horror stories

[deeydiddy]

I'm actually okay with the grind. I get that it all has to do with percents and chances and all that. It still doesn't explain the Noob. There is no logical explanation, stated formula or theory that the Noob getting one on his first day in the game fits. When he says to our group after defeating the dragon, "So I just got a Wrath of Hakkon bow, is that good?" you just have to imagine how I felt.

 

By the way, who is Luke? I've never posted to this forum before, so I don't know who is who.

[Silversmurf]

1. Noob was lying

 

or

 

2.  Game is bugged (what a shock that would be)

 

 

http://forum.bioware...3-luke-barrett/

[deeydiddy]

Nope, Noob was NOT lying. Like I said, he was a nice guy. I played a Threatening with him after the NM dragon where he got his bow. I helped him build his Archer to get the most our of it. I saw it in his hands. Many of my friends...having heard the story have played with him also (joining random groups) and can verify that not only did he get the Hakkon, but he played Nightmare without his shield.

[redeyedeath]

I have two hakkons, the bow, and the dagger, both from dragons(about two months ago).  No hakkons from store, and I still lack lvl 26 shield(rare&unique).  The good news is a few days ago I got something "new" in the form of an enhanced charging bull ring.  I know a few people who have had horrible luck acquiring a hakkon weapon but I think all of them eventually found at least one, from either the store or 250-300 nm dragon kills.  Hope your luck changes soon.

[Sophloph]

Lets make some kind of unbacked assumption. Perhaps in this promotional version of the game, in order to excite new players, or to make the release version less hastle with downloadable content and so forth, the doors to all things obtainable has simply been left open. In other words, bypassing requirements for most items, aside from Crescent Shadow. If a newb grabbed one of those, I would soil my pants.

[Sophloph]

To clarify something too, the lvl 26 weapons of each kind are a prerequisite for the matching lvl 27 weapons. Not for Hakkons.

[lcneed]

To clarify something too, the lvl 26 weapons of each kind are a prerequisite for the matching lvl 27 weapons. Not for Hakkons.

 

See Snakebite's post here for the list:

http://forum.bioware...ems/?p=19788075

[lcneed]

Lets make some kind of unbacked assumption. Perhaps in this promotional version of the game, in order to excite new players, or to make the release version less hastle with downloadable content and so forth, the doors to all things obtainable has simply been left open. In other words, bypassing requirements for most items, aside from Crescent Shadow. If a newb grabbed one of those, I would soil my pants.

 

Actually I truly believe in "beginner's luck" on all things not just this game.

[Texasmotiv]

Wait, the multiplayer is broken? This IS news!

[Terrell_Campbe11]

Here's a question I have been wondering for some time. For you players that seem to have good luck getting Hakkons and level 27's from the store instead of dragons (looking at you LC and Autumn ) Do you guys normally buy 1000 or 2000 gold chests? I think I remember seeing that the chance of getting a premium weapon from the chests depends on a very small percentage of an item from the highest level loot bucket being in the chest. If this percentage is independent of number of items in the chests and just dependent on there being said item in the chests, I would conclude that it would be 2x as likely to get an item from constantly buying 1000 gold chests due to being able to buy twice as many for the same gold. Can anyone confirm or deny?

[The Drone]

Here's a question I have been wondering for some time. For you players that seem to have good luck getting Hakkons and level 27's from the store instead of dragons (looking at you LC and Autumn ) Do you guys normally buy 1000 or 2000 gold chests? I think I remember seeing that the chance of getting a premium weapon from the chests depends on a very small percentage of an item from the highest level loot bucket being in the chest. If this percentage is independent of number of items in the chests and just dependent on there being said item in the chests, I would conclude that it would be 2x as likely to get an item from constantly buying 1000 gold chests due to being able to buy twice as many for the same gold. Can anyone confirm or deny?

That's an interesting theory.

[capn233]

Grinding dragons is what turned me off from MP.  It didn't help that most of my friends had stopped playing.

[deeydiddy]

Sophloph, I think that is entirely true...get all the 26's to get the 27's, but the myth is out there that in order to get the Hakons you have to have all the 26 uniques. I also have all the pact belts and superb belts, rings, and amulets.

 

I also agree with you that maybe the gates were loosened a bit on the flow of Hakkons around that time. I heard of a lot of people getting them, and witnessed it myself multiple times over for a period of about a week or so. But apparently, the best way to get one was to go into Nightmare dragon with me, because so many people I was with got one.

[cidc13]

I've been away from MP for a while, since about the final patch to it, but I'm pretty sure Hakkon weapons were released before the unique 26s were even implemented. So unless they changed the rules later on, requiring the unique 26s just to get Hakkons is definitely a myth and completely backwards thinking if they did make it a requirement.

 

As for completely new players receiving gear that should be hard earned (if we were living in a fair world), it's definitely a "great" way to hook them into the MP side of this game and hopefully builds a new community, after having so many already move on to other games and whatnot. It's unfortunate for the people that have played their asses off with the time invested already but that's just how RNG systems go, sadly. DA multiplayer has been broken with this system since the very beginning so it's not really anything new but judging from the horror stories about it at launch, it's at the very least playable now. For the most part.

[russ4ua16]

Nothing is broken but your luck. Sorry. Don't feel bad, my luck has been **** too. It'll happen.

[Sophloph]

I was just thinking from a marketing standpoint(and I'm not sure if it even makes any economical impact) that hooking the newbies in with crazy end game gear or at least eliminating old requirements for the new users(as it may register their account with some sort of 'built in' *luck factor*) would get them hooked on the game because they would have to play enough to actually make good use of this stuff. Man this is so speculative, its really just superstition. For a game that has 0 development I don't see why they would put an ounce of editing to the package/patch that already exists. But actually, now that I think about it from that standpoint, perhaps the issue isn't in what they've taken action to enable, rather maybe they've stopped monitoring almost all together and took out the "locks." Then there would be less information to interpret for RNG. Orrrr...maybe the dude that did the last server maintenance forgot to check off the big box that says "Player must run at least 345,984,231 zones to obtain Hakkon" as in it was a mistake that these new guys get the same chance as players of the good ol' days. Obviously there are still some looting systems in order like the level 26 and 27 items, but someone playing for the first time may just have x% chance of getting a Hakkon.

 

Anyways, in my own response to this conspiracy style thought, I am gonna say we will never hear a peep about it. If you were an admin, you would not tell the loyal faithful users that oops, I broke the code and now everyone has the same chance at this stuff-> Would incite a riot. But the bottom line to it is also that people that have put in all the hard work and promotions still reap the benefits of just being Better. Period. So at least its nice that promotions can't be hacked.