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[AngryFrozenWater]

Did we ever had cameo in the trilogy? I can't seem to remember any. 

 

but then, it was about 1 1/2 year since I played them....

Yes. In ME1:

 

Predator L/M/H Armor.

 

ME1 had also a cheaper version, using the same name, which looked a bit different:

 

Predator Armor.

[UpUpAway]

Onyx isn't Alliance standard. Via the description, it's special forces equipment, which is why the Normandy people are wearing it. Ashley's just a line soldier.

 

i'm to assume that Jenkins (who is such a noob that he walks blindly into drone fire) and the male soldier in the Eden Prime video are also special forces then.  Why isn't at least the male soldier in the video wearing Phoenix armor then?

 

It's all just all over the map... like I said, it seems they couldn't really decide on how or when to apply or imply a "military" standard and when to apply or imply individualism.  That indecision carried through into all three games.  For instance, I could accept everyone wearing their own thing on a private vessel (like Cerberus' SR-2)... but there the crew clearly had a uniform... just the fighting squad that didn't.  If my Femshep didn't want to wear a Cerberus logo somewhere, she had no choice but to dress either in the standard provocative "farm-girl" outfit (seen first on the farm girl on Eden Prime in ME1) or her sexy dress from Kasumi's DLC (which after Arrival, unfortunately, had her sitting spread-legged flashing her crotch to Hackett).

 

In ME3, again Kaidan adheres to a military casual dress... Ashley, however, is somehow exempt from that (even before she becomes a Spectre).

[AlanC9]

True, they weren't, but Ashley was and yet she turns up at the beginning of the game in her own very distinctive armor... An armor that reappears in cut scenes near the end of ME1 and at the beginning of ME2, on Horizon, etc. her despite putting her into even the standard Onyx in ME1 as soon as it's acquired.  Then again in ME3 when we're back in the military, her fatigues are not the standard Alliance issue, but her own distinctively "sexy" cat suit. 

Again, I have to disagree with your description of her outfit. It's a standard set of Phoenix armor. Is it sexier than any other female armor? I always thought it was the least attractive one. And yeah, they put her in it in ME2, but they had to put her in something.

I'm not quite sure what you were expecting to happen after putting Ash into the Onyx. I'm also not sure it makes much sense to describe the Onyx as "standard"; the game isn't really set up that way.

[UpUpAway]

Yes. In ME1:

 

Predator L/M/H Armor.

 

ME1 had also a cheaper version, using the same name, which looked a bit different:

 

Predator Armor.

 

You could also apply a camo pattern to Shepard's armor in both ME2 and ME3.

[UpUpAway]

Again, I have to disagree with your description of her outfit. It's a standard set of Phoenix armor. Is it sexier than any other female armor? I always thought it was the least attractive one. And yeah, they put her in it in ME2, but they had to put her in something.

I'm not quite sure what you were expecting to happen after putting Ash into the Onyx. I'm also not sure it makes much sense to describe the Onyx as "standard"; the game isn't really set up that way.

 

I have never said the Phoenix armor was "sexy" - just that it's pink and non-standard; that is, Ashley is the only military person introduced to us wearing that armor; whereas multiple male military personnel are introduced to us wearing Onyx (or some generic grey armor).

 

Yes, Phoenix is available as a set later in the game, as is a full set of Onyx; but I'm not talking about the armor sets the player can dress the squads in in ME1... I'm talking about how inconsistently Bioware dresses them at the beginning of the game... even though they were designing a "military" based game that was, in some areas, really hung up on military regs (e.g. like the way they emphasized fraternization as being against military regs). It's inconsistent on their part.

 

ME1 at least allowed the player an opportunity to dress their squad as a "unit" (all in the same armor) if they could manage to collect it for each player.  ME2 and ME3 did not give the player that opportunity at all.

[In Exile]

Simple example Jack is hotter with her alternate costume than the Nipple-tania





It's kind of over-emphasizes how naked she is which is just weird, we get it, she's not wearing any clothes, but the design has this exaggerated emphasis on her breasts which makes it more lurid than if it had just been something else like in the first pic.

And apparently got more than just a new set of implants for ME3.

[In Exile]

I have never said the Phoenix armor was "sexy" - just that it's pink and non-standard; that is, Ashley is the only military person introduced to us wearing that armor; whereas multiple male military personnel are introduced to us wearing Onyx (or some generic grey armor).

Yes, Phoenix is available as a set later in the game, as is a full set of Onyx; but I'm not talking about the armor sets the player can dress the squads in in ME1... I'm talking about how inconsistently Bioware dresses them at the beginning of the game... even though they were designing a "military" based game that was, in some areas, really hung up on military regs (e.g. like the way they emphasized fraternization as being against military regs). It's inconsistent on their part.

ME1 at least allowed the player an opportunity to dress their squad as a "unit" (all in the same armor) if they could manage to collect it for each player. ME2 and ME3 did not give the player that opportunity at all.

Actually, Phoenix is the standard or was the standard. The pink was meant to be red, and (in a hilarious nod to Canada) alliance colours were meant to be red and white. There's a really old preview picture that may well not be available when they announced ME1 of a couple of alliance marines decked in what became the Phoenix armour.

But I always thought it made sense that Ashley had whatever would be common garrison armour.

[10K]

Simple example Jack is hotter with her alternate costume than the Nipple-tania
 

 

 
It's kind of over-emphasizes how naked she is which is just weird, we get it, she's not wearing any clothes, but the design has this exaggerated emphasis on her breasts which makes it more lurid than if it had just been something else like in the first pic.

Firstly, your statement that Jack is hotter in her new appearance is completely subjective. I myself think bald Jack is best Jack, and loved her default attire in ME2 with just the breast strap. Secondly the attire didn't, or wasn't suppose to emphasize her breast at all. Her nudity was there to emphasize her tattoos, this is also why she has smaller breast with this outfit, and also why the first concept art of this attire she was suppose to completely be bare chest without the strap. Let's not forget the conversation the player has with her about her tattoos and how the camera pans over her body to showcase them and her tats being way more vibrant looking in ME2. It's sad that people didn't get the direction behind this outfit and just believed it was sexual. Hell, I would dare to say they sexualized her in ME3 compared to ME2

[UpUpAway]

Actually, Phoenix is the standard or was the standard. The pink was meant to be red, and (in a hilarious nod to Canada) alliance colours were meant to be red and white. There's a really old preview picture that may well not be available when they announced ME1 of a couple of alliance marines decked in what became the Phoenix armour.

But I always thought it made sense that Ashley had whatever would be common garrison armour.

 

Well, then all I'm saying is they should have stuck with it more consistently and put any of the military we see on Eden Prime in Phoenix armor... as well as Jenkins and Kaidan (who aren't N-7 or N1-6).  Everyone in pink wouldn't bother me.  They really just needed to decide... is the Alliance the sort of military that had uniforms or not?

[themikefest]

Well, then all I'm saying is they should have stuck with it more consistently and put any of the military we see on Eden Prime in Phoenix armor... as well as Jenkins and Kaidan (who aren't N-7 or N1-6).  Everyone in pink wouldn't bother me.  They really just needed to decide... is the Alliance the sort of military that had uniforms or not?

The Alliance is Bioware's military. They can do whatever with it as they see fit. I don't agree with a lot of what they did. Whatever.

[Seraphim24]

Firstly, your statement that Jack is hotter in her new appearance is completely subjective. I myself think bald Jack is best Jack, and loved her default attire in ME2 with just the breast strap. Secondly the attire didn't, or wasn't suppose to emphasize her breast at all. Her nudity was there to emphasize her tattoos, this is also why she has smaller breast with this outfit, and also why the first concept art of this attire she was suppose to completely be bare chest without the strap. Let's not forget the conversation the player has with her about her tattoos and how the camera pans over her body to showcase them and her tats being way more vibrant looking in ME2. It's sad that people didn't get the direction behind this outfit and just believed it was sexual. Hell, I would dare to say they sexualized her in ME3 compared to ME2

 

Well crazily enough you could argue her first costume is actually "less sexual" and that that's a bad thing.

 

Her entire upper body is clear but there's a concentration of lets just say... stuff.. right around her cleaveage and breast/nipple area, whereas ME3 adopted the reverse she is clothed in all areas except for her central chest and her nipples even pierce the latex or whatever she's wearing the ME3 area.

 

If she were completely naked, the body tattoos would probably obscure everything anyway, also giving the effect of just like "clothes."

 

So in a sense, I see ME3 Jack as more sexual, vulnerable, and interesting, despite having literally more clothes. It also obscures tattoos giving you the imagination that it's really her naked body that is vulnerable.

 

Lets be real no one cares whether someone's arms or covered.

 

But also gets to my point that is that people probably wouldn't even agree on what "revealing" really is or other definitions.

 

I don't even think ME3 Jack is necessarily the hottest but just comparing the two.

[Seraphim24]

Anyway I can find "revealing" to be kind of disgusting and graphic or very interesting and compelling, it depends really whether it's honest or not.

 

Jack isn't, simple as that.

[AlanC9]

I have never said the Phoenix armor was "sexy" - just that it's pink and non-standard; that is, Ashley is the only military person introduced to us wearing that armor; whereas multiple male military personnel are introduced to us wearing Onyx (or some generic grey armor).

The rest of Ash's unit are wearing something else altogether, actually. I'm not quite certain what type it is; it's conceivable that video was rendered before the armor designs were finalized. (Note that Ash was wearing something like a Phoenix set even in the earliest videos; when they changed Shepard they didn't change her.) I don't see how that established a standard; we start the game by seeing soldiers from two different Alliance units in three different armors.

As for what Bio should have done, well, uniforms are a lousy fit with the inventory and loot system they developed for ME1. OTOH, that system was awful.

[AngryFrozenWater]

You could also apply a camo pattern to Shepard's armor in both ME2 and ME3.

Yes. But the difference was that in ME1 it was available to other squad mates as well.

[UpUpAway]

The rest of Ash's unit are wearing something else altogether, actually. I'm not quite certain what type it is; it's conceivable that video was rendered before the armor designs were finalized. (Note that Ash was wearing something like a Phoenix set even in the earliest videos; when they changed Shepard they didn't change her.) I don't see how that established a standard; we start the game by seeing soldiers from two different Alliance units in three different armors.

As for what Bio should have done, well, uniforms are a lousy fit with the inventory and loot system they developed for ME1. OTOH, that system was awful.

 

Whatever.  Like others here, I would prefer 1 military-style selection for ALL squad mates for armor and 1 military-style selection for ALL squad mates for casual fatigues and then 1 or more individualized selections for off-duty activities.  If they want to have other individualized armor and fatigues for others who don't like a military uniform, they can do that too.  If this is NOT a military game, then I'm completely OK with only having individualized clothing for each character.  When it is a military game, there should be, IMO, a military uniform dress code... it just denotes being part of a team or unit.  Otherwise, they can also dump the brush cuts and short hair, allow tats all over the place, and dump the "fraternization" rhetoric 'cause we're not role playing a military setting then anyways.... and since then we're dealing in complete and utter fantasy - what could possibly be so wrong with little face masks in a fantasized "space" environment and high heals on a battlefield or pretending that naked organic bodies are just impervious to gunfire.  If we're throwing the concept of military uniforms out the window... why not everything else with it?

[Dabrikishaw]

Sure, make it a choice, but I wouldn't miss the removal of revealing armors.

[Vespervin]

I'm happy with this:

 

[fizzypop]

Because it isn't even across the board. I wouldn't care about EDI if there was any sort of male equivalent. There isn't though. I would still completely laugh at the fact that she has cleavage through her suit tho. lmao. Asari are basically ****** fodder by straight dudes fetishizing queer women so I really have a problem with that ****. Same with the queer romance for women, ****** fodder. If you are going to be fetishizing and objectifying people make it even or go home. Though still regardless sexy armor should still be somewhat practical. I don't need blue thonged babes getting shot at by space fire. That's what mods are for. I'm also tired of women always getting the **** end of the stick in regards to clothing.

[TurianSpectre]

Simple example Jack is hotter with her alternate costume than the Nipple-tania

 

 

 

It's kind of over-emphasizes how naked she is which is just weird, we get it, she's not wearing any clothes, but the design has this exaggerated emphasis on her breasts which makes it more lurid than if it had just been something else like in the first pic.

Yup agreed

[TurianSpectre]

I'm happy with this:

 

Yes but thats the male armour not the female

[thepiebaker]

While I don't think a crafting system would work in the ME universe, however in the DAI section I conceived a thought of loot drops being of the realistic variety. However every armor schematic or the ones important stat wise would have a revealing counterpart.

[iM3GTR]

Simple example Jack is hotter with her alternate costume than the Nipple-tania

They both look stupid.

[In Exile]

Whatever. Like others here, I would prefer 1 military-style selection for ALL squad mates for armor and 1 military-style selection for ALL squad mates for casual fatigues and then 1 or more individualized selections for off-duty activities. If they want to have other individualized armor and fatigues for others who don't like a military uniform, they can do that too. If this is NOT a military game, then I'm completely OK with only having individualized clothing for each character. When it is a military game, there should be, IMO, a military uniform dress code... it just denotes being part of a team or unit. Otherwise, they can also dump the brush cuts and short hair, allow tats all over the place, and dump the "fraternization" rhetoric 'cause we're not role playing a military setting then anyways.... and since then we're dealing in complete and utter fantasy - what could possibly be so wrong with little face masks in a fantasized "space" environment and high heals on a battlefield or pretending that naked organic bodies are just impervious to gunfire. If we're throwing the concept of military uniforms out the window... why not everything else with it?

But they did drop all those things. I get caring about this stuff, but Bioware obviously doesn't.

[Vortex13]

I am perfectly fine with a new Andromeda companion running out into the vacuum of space covered in nothing but a lace bra and panties… Just so long as the blood vessels in her eyes immediately burst, her lungs burst from the massive pressure differential, and she passes out due to massive circulatory and respiratory trauma.

 

Unless you are are a specially designed robot, or an alien as robust as a Thresher Maw, entering outer space with zero effective protection should lead to a quick and painful death.

[TurianSpectre]

I am perfectly fine with a new Andromeda companion running out into the vacuum of space covered in nothing but a lace bra and panties… Just so long as the blood vessels in her eyes immediately burst, her lungs burst from the massive pressure differential, and she passes out due to massive circulatory and respiratory trauma.

 

Unless you are are a specially designed robot, or an alien as robust as a Thresher Maw, entering outer space with zero effective protection should lead to a quick and painful death.

Im pretty sure you can get skimpy space suits or pressure suits that they could put on