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[maia0407]

Chakwas sexualized? LOL. Some people will complain about anything...

As for Wong, how do you know what reporters will be wearing in the future(in a fictional universe)? Or better yet, here's an answer to Wong being 'unprofessional' according to your standards:

 

Btw, it's just a generic dress that several NPC's wear... same with Chakwas and her scientist outfit.

 

 

I don't have to know what a reporter would wear in a future fictional universe to know that the devs who created this fictional character in this fictional universe chose to put a professional woman in an outfit that is sexualized. Characters don't have any choice in what to wear in the universe the devs created. Even if the devs said, "Welp, in our universe this is what reporters wear" her outfit would still be a problem as the question would then become, 'why did the devs choose to create a universe in which female reporters wear sexualized outfits?' The answer, of course, is, duh, fan service. 

 

ETA: And, yes, Allers' outfit is a problem as well. 

[Obvakhi]

Even if the devs said, "Welp, in our universe this is what reporters wear" her outfit would still be a problem

 

ETA: And, yes, Allers' outfit is a problem as well. 

Except that it's not a problem

[maia0407]

Sure it is. You may not care about how sexualization impacts how women are treated in society but I do. Games that objectify women put me off. While Bioware has issues, they have gotten a lot better over the years. I'll be here advocating for them to get even better. 

[PunchFaceReporter]

Wasn't Wong a kind of new to the reporting world during me1? She was probably dressing that way to try and grab Shepards attention and get her story or whatevs.

Wong is no Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani anyway, who cares?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I feel it should be noted that that is the only time we see Emily Wong in that outfit. When we see her again in ME1 and also in ME2 she is wearing this:

 

So maybe the reason she is wearing the first dress is merely because they wanted to make it seem like time passed and she changed into a different outfit. Since there were only two dress styles available, they chose what they had. 

[PunchFaceReporter]

I feel it should be noted that that is the only time we see Emily Wong in that outfit. When we see her again in ME1 and also in ME2 she is wearing this:

I remember this now. Yeah so her first outfit was to attract Sherpard.

[Hammerstorm]

I feel it should be noted that that is the only time we see Emily Wong in that outfit. When we see her again in ME1 and also in ME2 she is wearing this:

 

So maybe the reason she is wearing the first dress is merely because they wanted to make it seem like time passed and she changed into a different outfit. Since there were only two dress styles available, they chose what they had. 

 

She may also have tried to infiltrate the bar that Fist was hiding.

[Obvakhi]

Sure it is. You may not care about how sexualization impacts how women are treated in society but I do. Games that objectify women put me off. While Bioware has issues, they have gotten a lot better over the years. I'll be here advocating for them to get even better. 

I recommend you stick to E rated games

[Hanako Ikezawa]

She may also have tried to infiltrate the bar that Fist was hiding.

That is a possibility as well. There are any number of reasons why she is in that outfit other than sexualizing and objectifying her character. 

[In Exile]

That is a possibility as well. There are any number of reasons why she is in that outfit other than sexualizing and objectifying her character.

The problem is that if those reasons aren't apparent or seem superfluous then that's what you're doing here. Kind if like with Miranda and Samara.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The problem is that if those reasons aren't apparent or seem superfluous then that's what you're doing here. Kind if like with Miranda and Samara.

Unlike the characters you mention though the game never focuses on Emily's outfit or looks in gheneral, and changes her into another more modest one for the rest of the franchise. I agree that they have sexualized some characters, but I don't see Emily Wong as being one of those cases. 

[PunchFaceReporter]

I really don't get some of these comments about "sexualising and objectifying" first of all it's a game, they're all objects. Second would you rather have everyone covered from head to toe? A burqa maybe?

[In Exile]

Unlike the characters you mention though the game never focuses on Emily's outfit or looks in gheneral, and changes her into another more modest one for the rest of the franchise. I agree that they have sexualized some characters, but I don't see Emily Wong as being one of those cases.

I don't see it as sexualizing because the outfit is so low res and weird it didn't occur to me it was meant to show skin. I'm just saying that if you accept the outfit is even meant to be sexual in the first place then Bioware has an explanation issue. In a way not focusing on the looks at all makes it worse - compare Miranda with Samara. The way the camera angles work is insane, but Miranda does have tortured feelings about her appareance and believes in making it work for her; the outfit isn't exactly out of character. Samara is just dressed in a super revealing low cut outfit for... reasons, or something?

[PunchFaceReporter]

It's like all the hate Miranda gets from her outfit when Jacob is wearing the male equivalent.

[9TailsFox]

I don't see it as sexualizing because the outfit is so low res and weird it didn't occur to me it was meant to show skin. I'm just saying that if you accept the outfit is even meant to be sexual in the first place then Bioware has an explanation issue. In a way not focusing on the looks at all makes it worse - compare Miranda with Samara. The way the camera angles work is insane, but Miranda does have tortured feelings about her appareance and believes in making it work for her; the outfit isn't exactly out of character. Samara is just dressed in a super revealing low cut outfit for... reasons, or something?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't see it as sexualizing because the outfit is so low res and weird it didn't occur to me it was meant to show skin. I'm just saying that if you accept the outfit is even meant to be sexual in the first place then Bioware has an explanation issue. In a way not focusing on the looks at all makes it worse - compare Miranda with Samara. The way the camera angles work is insane, but Miranda does have tortured feelings about her appareance and believes in making it work for her; the outfit isn't exactly out of character. Samara is just dressed in a super revealing low cut outfit for... reasons, or something?

I disagree about Miranda's outfit not being out of character for her. Miranda is a very practical woman, yet according to the lore her outfit is the opposite of practical for her occupation. It's not like the armors in Mass Effect lack the ability to be aesthetically pleasing. Her own DLC armor is a great example.

Spoiler

This armors offers full protection minus a helmet, and yet still allows her to use her 'perfect' body to her advantage like her canon outfit does. 

[Lady Artifice]

I remember this now. Yeah so her first outfit was to attract Sherpard.

 

Or alternatively she just felt like wearing it.

[Hammerstorm]

It's like all the hate Miranda gets from her outfit when Jacob is wearing the male equivalent.

 

Well, for the most players he is already in deep **** because he is boring and decided to cheat on femshep. And the fact that they do not try to shove his a** crack up my face every time I talk with him.

And I have already mentioned him in my first comment on the first page I believe.

[maia0407]

I really don't get some of these comments about "sexualising and objectifying" first of all it's a game, they're all objects. Second would you rather have everyone covered from head to toe? A burqa maybe?

Bioware tries to create characters that feel like more than just 'objects' in a game. We're supposed to relate to and care about the characters. I prefer to play games that treat women as people and not just objects to be viewed. 

 

Nobody  has said anything about preferring women to wear a burqa. If you read the thread there are a number of nuanced views that get nowhere near your hyperbole. 

[Iakus]

I really don't get some of these comments about "sexualising and objectifying" first of all it's a game, they're all objects. Second would you rather have everyone covered from head to toe? A burqa maybe?

And today's Reductio ad Absurdum prize goes to...

[Killroy]

I really don't get some of these comments about "sexualising and objectifying" first of all it's a game, they're all objects. Second would you rather have everyone covered from head to toe? A burqa maybe?

 

That's such false equivalency. I don't care about objectification, I care about tone and credibility. Miranda and EDI just look stupid. I can't take them seriously and the games are the worse for those designs IMO. It takes me out of the game because I'm facepalming over how childish the designers are.

[Giant ambush beetle]

That's such false equivalency. I don't care about objectification, I care about tone and credibility. Miranda and EDI just look stupid. I can't take them seriously and the games are the worse for those designs IMO. It takes me out of the game because I'm facepalming over how childish the designers are.

 

Yeah I noticed too, some members of the design team seem to have what I'd call a ''very juvenile sense of sexual attraction'' sometimes. 

[Linkenski]

Hopefully it has the same sense of sci-fi realism the first game had, more than the "cooler" parts of ME2 and 3.

[Wulfram]

I always just figured that Wong's dress was just the current fashion. I don't really see why it shouldn't be, we've had a lot dumber fashions historically.

Though its a shame male Mass Effect fashions are kind of dull

[Hadeedak]

I always just figured that Wong's dress was just the current fashion. I don't really see why it shouldn't be, we've had a lot dumber fashions historically.

Though its a shame male Mass Effect fashions are kind of dull

 

 

Yeah they are. Even the future fashions in Xcom 2 are more creative.  Any time I think something's too ridiculous to be a real fashion, I remember that both elaborate powdered wigs and dayglow puffy orange vests have been a thing, so there's probably very little too stupid to actually wear.