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[PunchFaceReporter]

Now I know you're a troll.

I'm a troll because you don't agree with me?

[KBomb]

That would only be a valid argument if there weren't catsuits, boob straps and cameltoe. Some characters having appropriate attire doesn't mean the inappropriate attire suddenly makes sense. Garrus' armor doesn't protect Miranda.

While I would love the ability to change my crew's attire i.e. Mass Effect, they unfortunately skipped that route and now we have to deal with what the artist come up with. I wouldn't mind seeing the option for several outfits per crewman, like when they released the extra outfits. Miranda didn't need Garrus' armor, she was a biotic and she had shields. I would assume she would be tactical, or at least as tactical as you can make her. Either way, she did fine. In one of my playthroughs, Garrus' big ole armor helped him little when he was taken out by a bullet. 

 

I would much rather see people pushing Bioware to allow more than one option to choose from, rather than completely banning an outfit due to personal taste of a certain sect of their fans. It would make sense to allow for variety.

[SarenDidNothingWrong]

This is a troll post, even if you don't realize it. 

 

Seems to me that you presented a flawed argument and then proceeded to scream "troll" when your flawed argument was picked apart.

 

Pretty cowardly if you ask me.

[Hammerstorm]

The way the characters in ME1>ME3 dressed was dependant on their character.

 

Miranda's genetic alterations were made so that she would look the way she does, hence why she carries herself the way she does but outside of that, nothing is revealing about her armor, it's essentially a skin tight suit. Vega is a muscle bound dude bro and carries himself that way. Ashley is a reserved soldier and carries herself that way. Liara is also reserved and also carries herself that way. Jack is the truly only oversexualized character in her attire and that was purely for her character and it made her better. They reflected perfectly the change in her mind set in Mass Effect 3 when she started to dress more appropriately when she took on a position of responsibility.

 

If the fact that they have big boobs and asses truly offends you or (more likely if you're a woman) makes you feel insecure then maybe you need to get your priorities in check.

 

This new crowd of PC gamers (That seem almost synonymous with Bioware) is why the current Bioware is essentially seen as a joke.

 

 

The point I (and most other) are trying to make is that even if they have a "style" that fit their personality, there is no reason for that to extend to the battlefield, where people dressed like Jack, Miranda, Samara (Morinth) and even Jacob would be killed the second their shield/barrier drops.

I don't have any problem with their OFF-DUTY dress code (but some may).

[SarenDidNothingWrong]

The point I (and most other) are trying to make is that even if they have a "style" that fit their personality, there is no reason for that to extend to the battlefield, where people dressed like Jack, Miranda, Samara (Morinth) and even Jacob would be killed the second their shield/barrier drops.

I don't have any problem with their OFF-DUTY dress code (but some may).

 

What's wrong with the way they dressed?

 

Miranda dressed in cerberus clothing because that's who she was representing (Like Jacob), Jack also wears whatever the hell she wants (testament to her character) and Liara wore a traditional space suit and Thane also isn't heavily armored.

 

I don't see the problem, do you not see how it's primarily biotic characters who wear less armored clothing? Ashley wore full on armor because she didn't have biotics yet Mordin/Jacobs have similar styles of clothing as Mirdana/Liara.

 

It's a non problem and if you don't like it then too bad.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Wearing high heels in a warzone does make you a stupidly designed character, however.

 

If the series has any pretense at realism and believability, at least.

Says you. Miranda didn't seem stupid in me2 , neither did Samara.

 

Besides?

Realism?

As an indicator of quality in fantasy?

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

[SarenDidNothingWrong]

Says you. Miranda didn't seem stupid in me2 , neither did Samara.

 

Besides?

Realism?

As an indicator of quality in fantasy?

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

 

Dude, I want my blue alien squad mates to look realistic when they fly across the sky in a Biotic charge!

[jamskinner]

I shared this link earlier that explains sexual empowerment. Here it is: http://everydayfemin...vs-objectified/

As far as fan service goes, I'm talking about sexualizing women to please the presumed male audience. I'm not talking about harmless in jokes such as Blasto.

 

Why does it matter who the fanservice is for?  Manservice bad, Femservice good?

[Giantdeathrobot]

What's wrong with the way they dressed?

 

Miranda dressed in cerberus clothing because that's who she was representing (Like Jacob), Jack also wears whatever the hell she wants (testament to her character) and Liara wore a traditional space suit and Thane also isn't heavily armored.

 

I don't see the problem, do you not see how it's primarily biotic characters who wear less armored clothing? Ashley wore full on armor because she didn't have biotics yet Mordin/Jacobs have similar styles of clothing as Mirdana/Liara.

 

It's a non problem and if you don't like it then too bad.

 

They can dress however the hell they want off-duty. I had no problem with Jack's outfit so long as she wars it on the Normandy.

 

If they want a place in my squad, however, they're going to look like they actually want to go to battle, not to the club. If we're going in vacuum, sealed hardsuit or your ass gets benched. Science fiction/fantasy this may be, but there's gotta be method to the madness, or you end up like in Warcraft, a mish-mash of every Rule of Cool aspect in existence that is impossible to ever take seriously.

[KBomb]

The point I (and most other) are trying to make is that even if they have a "style" that fit their personality, there is no reason for that to extend to the battlefield, where people dressed like Jack, Miranda, Samara (Morinth) and even Jacob would be killed the second their shield/barrier drops.

I don't have any problem with their OFF-DUTY dress code (but some may).

Same could be said for any team member, tbh. Tali is very vulnerable. Garrus' armor is good, but when caught off guard, even he was taken down. Kai Leng had slender armor, but with reinforced plates along his sternum, but caught off guard, he was down. Miranda, Jack, Samara and Jacob aren't just some noob off the street. They're trained in tactical combat. I am sure they know when their shields and barrier drop to get the heck out of dodge and not to keep in the open, etc. You can position them that way. I am sure a trained biotic knows when their barrier is weak and I don't see Jack hanging out in the open. 

 

Again, I would just like some options. Each companion could have a couple to choose from. Example, Biotic can choose between light and medium. Soldier can choose between medium and heavy, etc.

[TevinterSupremacist]

 in Warcraft, a mish-mash of every Rule of Cool aspect in existence that is impossible to ever take seriously.

So, people who take warcraft plot/characters seriously despite ridiculous outfits (or even mass effect plot/characters, as it has ridiculous outfits too) don't count? Or don't exist?

 

That "is impossible to ever take seriously" assertion of yours seems kinda baseless, you know...as if you're trying to project your own aesthetics onto others.

[maia0407]

Why does it matter who the fanservice is for?  Manservice bad, Femservice good?

It matters because pandering to a presumed male audience directly leads to the overwhelming amount of sexualized female characters in media.

[Exile Isan]

I have no problem with Miranda's outfit other than it looks uncomfortable and, well, camera angles. I just wish she wore an actual helmet on hazardous planets, because landing on Tarith and having her tell Shepard and Garrus, who are wearing full helmets and sealed armor, to be careful of the toxic atmosphere while her eyeballs and most of the skin on her face is exposed to said toxic atmosphere was just a little immersion breaking (to say the least). Same with the planet Neith where that sandstorm blows up.

 

Jack is not sexualized, her outfit in ME2 is not designed to show off her breasts or her butt. It's designed to show off her tattoos. It's completely impractical though, and every time she dies in combat I can't help but laugh with a "Should have wore armor." That said if she wants to wear the boob strap on the ship who cares? 

 

And I'm still trying to figure out how Jacob gets into his outfit... must have a hidden zipper or something.

 

I don't care if characters get form fitting armor, or run around the ship completely naked in their down time. As long as they have no skin exposed to vacuum and a freaking helmet on in combat/hostile environments then I'll be happy.

[SarenDidNothingWrong]

They can dress however the hell they want off-duty. I had no problem with Jack's outfit so long as she wars it on the Normandy.

 

If they want a place in my squad, however, they're going to look like they actually want to go to battle, not to the club. If we're going in vacuum, sealed hardsuit or your ass gets benched. Science fiction/fantasy this may be, but there's gotta be method to the madness, or you end up like in Warcraft, a mish-mash of every Rule of Cool aspect in existence that is impossible to ever take seriously.

 

Fair play, I take them along with me because I enjoy the extra eye candy.

[Killroy]

While I would love the ability to change my crew's attire i.e. Mass Effect, they unfortunately skipped that route and now we have to deal with what the artist come up with. I wouldn't mind seeing the option for several outfits per crewman, like when they released the extra outfits. Miranda didn't need Garrus' armor, she was a biotic and she had shields. I would assume she would be tactical, or at least as tactical as you can make her. Either way, she did fine. In one of my playthroughs, Garrus' big ole armor helped him little when he was taken out by a bullet. 
 
I would much rather see people pushing Bioware to allow more than one option to choose from, rather than completely banning an outfit due to personal taste of a certain sect of their fans. It would make sense to allow for variety.

 
Plot armor and the devs deciding to replace sensible armor with nudity and catsuits is not a defense. Those choices were made. This stuff didn't happen by accident. 
 

Seems to me that you presented a flawed argument and then proceeded to scream "troll" when your flawed argument was picked apart.
 
Pretty cowardly if you ask me.

 
I didn't ask you, because you're obviously a troll. All you picked apart was your own credibility.

[Giantdeathrobot]

So, people who take warcraft plot/characters seriously despite ridiculous outfits (or even mass effect plot/characters, as it has ridiculous outfits too) don't count? Or don't exist?

 

That "is impossible to ever take seriously" assertion of yours seems kinda baseless, you know...as if you're trying to project your own aesthetics onto others.

 

I'm expressing my opinion, not speaking for everyone. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

 

But my preference definitely is that, whatever people wear off-duty, in combat they shoul wear combat appropriate attire. Whenever it's enforced or an option doesn't much matter, but I really don't want to have to see another character survive hard vacuum with a breather mask and half their bodies exposed. It just destroys the setting's believability.

 

That Mass Effect has ridiculous outfits is precisely one of my pet peeves with the series. Well, ridiculous outfits worn in combat. I have zero problems with any kind of outlandish or skin-revealing civilian fashions. People these days go to parties or the beach not wearing much all the time, nothing wrong with that. But when they go into combat, they wear some damn protective gear if they can get their hands on it.

[TevinterSupremacist]

I'm expressing my opinion, not speaking for everyone. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

Just keep in mind expressing your opinion works like "I can't take warcraft/mass effect/etc seriously, ever, because x" and not "warcraft is impossible to take seriously ever, because x". The latter seems like you try to make an objective claim.

[Morty Smith]

Just go with the option that offends the most, whichever that is. Rattle all the cages.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Miranda didn't need Garrus' armor, she was a biotic and she had shields. I would assume she would be tactical, or at least as tactical as you can make her. Either way, she did fine.

Yes she did, at least when going into a vacuum or hazardous enviornments. The lore states that shields and biotics do not protect people from enviornmental hazards, so Miranda and any character not in a sealed suit would be killed multiple times per game because of their clothing. Mass Effect 1 knew this, so every squad member had a fully sealed suit when the situation required it. 

[Korra23]

They should include both types of armor/clothing and let you select it, there you have it hakuna matata.

[Hammerstorm]

What's wrong with the way they dressed?

 

Miranda dressed in cerberus clothing because that's who she was representing (Like Jacob), Jack also wears whatever the hell she wants (testament to her character) and Liara wore a traditional space suit and Thane also isn't heavily armored.

 

I don't see the problem, do you not see how it's primarily biotic characters who wear less armored clothing? Ashley wore full on armor because she didn't have biotics yet Mordin/Jacobs have similar styles of clothing as Mirdana/Liara.

 

It's a non problem and if you don't like it then too bad.

 

First: For you information there is armor with cerberus logo on. And just for someone is a rebel the in universe physique don't stop. They would still need protection for other thing (such as shrapnel and debris) for not to mention that we are sometimes in places with dangerous environment.

Second: Miranda and Thane uses shields, not barrier so they would need a armor with some kind of battery. And there is biotics that use armor (Kaidan and that mercenary on Miranda's loyalty mission)

 

So that you don't like realistic protection is a non problem and if you don't like it, bad for you.

 

Same could be said for any team member, tbh. Tali is very vulnerable. Garrus' armor is good, but when caught off guard, even he was taken down. Kai Leng had slender armor, but with reinforced plates along his sternum, but caught off guard, he was down. Miranda, Jack, Samara and Jacob are just some noob off the street. They're trained in tactical combat. I am sure they know when their shields and barrier drop to get the heck out of dodge and not to keep in the open, etc. You can position them that way. I am sure a trained biotic knows when their barrier is weak and I don't see Jack hanging out in the open. 

 

Again, I would just like some options. Each companion could have a couple to choose from. Example, Biotic can choose between light and medium. Soldier can choose between medium and heavy, etc.

 

Well, Garrus did survive a rocket to the face, so I would say that is point in favor OF armor.

Kai Leng I can tolerate, for he actually DID move as he had less armor and tried to avoid frontal attacks. 

i guess you mean that they NOT are noob off the the street? That makes it even more ridiculous, not less. If they have training and experience they know that clothes does very little against bullets and other objects that can hit you in battle. If the game wanted me to believe that they was dressed that way because the way they fighted, they should had made them act that way.

 

That someone die because they are caught off guard by ambush/having bad luck has no relevance on the topic.

 

 

I think the problem most people make is that they think that when I say realistic armor they think "Oh so they should be covered in heavy armor like a Space marine". I want them to atleast TRY to keep the in universe physique that they have created.

 

Ps. Since I have said everything I can on the subject I will most likely not respond anymore, in the it only comes down to what you want versus what I want. 

[SarenDidNothingWrong]

 
Plot armor and the devs deciding to replace sensible armor with nudity and catsuits is not a defense. Those choices were made. This stuff didn't happen by accident. 
 

 
I didn't ask you, because you're obviously a troll. All you picked apart was your own credibility.

 

The only troll is you. Learn how to argue you child.

 

 

First: For you information there is armor with cerberus logo on. And just for someone is a rebel the in universe physique don't stop. They would still need protection for other thing (such as shrapnel and debris) for not to mention that we are sometimes in places with dangerous environment.

Second: Miranda and Thane uses shields, not barrier so they would need a armor with some kind of battery. And there is biotics that use armor (Kaidan and that mercenary on Miranda's loyalty mission)

 

So that you don't like realistic protection is a non problem and if you don't like it, bad for you.

 

 

Well, Garrus did survive a rocket to the face, so I would say that is point in favor OF armor.

Kai Leng I can tolerate, for he actually DID move as he had less armor and tried to avoid frontal attacks. 

i guess you mean that they NOT are noob off the the street? That makes it even more ridiculous, not less. If they have training and experience they know that clothes does very little against bullets and other objects that can hit you in battle. If the game wanted me to believe that they was dressed that way because the way they fighted, they should had made them act that way.

 

That someone die because they are caught off guard by ambush/having bad luck has no relevance on the topic.

 

 

I think the problem most people make is that they think that when I say realistic armor they think "Oh so they should be covered in heavy armor like a Space marine". I want them to atleast TRY to keep the in universe physique that they have created.

 

Ps. Since I have said everything I can on the subject I will most likely not respond anymore, in the it only comes down to what you want versus what I want. 

 

Why bad for me? I get what I want, some eye candy as well as interesting characters.

 

Also, using "Garrus surviving a rocket" is ironic when Wrex gets killed by a single shot of a pistol in ME1 despite being heavily armored. So I would say that removed your point.

[Seboist]

What a condescending comment. It's ironic, feminist/SJWs like you are trying to defend Women representation in video games by telling them how "they should be".

 

The irony is truly astonishing at times.

Someone should tell all the feminists/socjus that were riled up by my belief in man's law and traditional sex roles that.

[Blueblood]

Just keep in mind expressing your opinion works like "I can't take warcraft/mass effect/etc seriously, ever, because x" and not "warcraft is impossible to take seriously ever, because x". The latter seems like you try to make an objective claim.

Ehhhh, most of us knew they were expressing their own opinion without them adding disclaimers and blatancy into the mix.

[BatarianBob]

Armors should be practical. Casual clothes should be revealing.

On second thought, why bother with casual clothes at all? Make all the characters nudists.