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[Zatche]

I don't care how big or small the armor is. Just as long as it protects me well and it doesn't hinder my speed.

I enjoy the typical RPG trope of having the option of different types of armor with different benefits. Large for more protection, small for more speed or attack or something, and medium for something more well rounded. It's all a part of the whole, having agency on my character thing.

I might choose a different one on my second playthrough, but usually I go Kbomb's route and go sleek. Partly for the combat style, partly because I prefer the aesthetic.

[KBomb]

Both.

It's just a vanity thing, pure and simple. 

 

I have been on this forum since the beginning and I have seen dozens upon dozens of threads asking Bioware to make >insert race, color, body type, sexual orientation< inclusive so they can feel represented. Heck, there are already countless threads for ME4 asking those things. I know I am never going to be represented in a game for who I am and that's okay. I don't mind. I don't really want a deaf character in a video game, I play one in real life and it's not as great as one would think. Bioware doesn't have to make a protagonist that is 5 ft 1 and has the body shape of a fourteen year old. Again, that is fine. I don't mind. I can go play The Last of Us with Ellie if I want that (her body type is the only video game character that is even close to my size). But at least give me the chance to not have to have a hulking figure. I have seen so many threads saying that, "femShep's arms are too skinny for her to be a solider. She is too svelte to be taken seriously as a soldier. No one is going to believe she is a badass. She needs more muscle!" and so forth and so on. But I like playing a small framed woman who is still able to kick **** and be a badass while doing it. 

 

So, yeah. I am not going to lie and say I want light armor to move more stealthy, or to be able to move faster or any other combative reason. Though, I do believe Mass Effect has shown light armor can be effective and that there is a place for it.  I want sleeker armor because it makes me feel inclusive and aesthetically I think it looks better. So, pure vanity reasons and I am not ashamed to admit it. It is a game, after all. Everyone wants to relate in some way, this is just my way. 

 

And really, a lot of people (not all) just want heavy armor because they believe it looks stronger, more soldier like, etc. And that is fine. I hope they always have that option, but it is kind of self-serving to want something that appeals to you, but deny that to anyone else. When it comes down to actually playing the game, stats, upgrades and perks and skills are what really keeps one alive and doing well. It only has to be in the realm of possibility to be believable and since light armor is already established, what harm would it be to allow someone else to have the options they want, as well as your own? Nothing. It wouldn't hurt you at all. 

 

Disclaimer: Any "you" is used in general context and not anyone specific. 

[SKAR]

I enjoy the typical RPG trope of having the option of different types of armor with different benefits. Large for more protection, small for more speed or attack or something, and medium for something more well rounded. It's all a part of the whole, having agency on my character thing.

I might choose a different one on my second playthrough, but usually I go Kbomb's route and go sleek. Partly for the combat style, partly because I prefer the aesthetic.

I hate that. Then I can't wear the armor I actually want. I'm glad they did away with it. Then again, The better the armor in ME1 the cooler it looked.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Look at the armor that Ryder has now. There is cloth weaved in. There are some blind spots. Flynn said that it wasn't strictly combat armor. More for exploration he meant. What are your thoughts on that? We are an explorer now.

That is exactly what BW was trying to do with their early designs in 2014. In the latest BTS video we see that kind of armor also used for squad mates.

It's a cloth based under armor with pieces on top. The idea is that it allows various exploration activities. The helmet was designed to not obstruct the view and to engage in dialogue. In the video below the faces are hidden to prevent spoilers.

Source: Charting a Course: Developing the Next Mass Effect.

I've posted something like this earlier, but somehow that got lost in the discussion or nobody clicked that link.

Because the armor is light, it doesn't hide the body shape. To me it looks like they won't be going the revealing armor path. Don't think it is needed for the envisioned armor. There is still room for unique armor. Look at the Krogan's armor in the latest BTS video. It has some tribal features on top of the basic armor. It looks like the armor is modular and therefor easy to customize.

 

Maybe some squad members have revealing outfits to be used off duty, but it would make sense to use the above armor during exploration or combat.
 

[Obvakhi]

That is exactly what BW was trying to do with their early designs in 2014. In the latest BTS video we see that kind of armor also used for squad mates.

It's a cloth based under armor with pieces on top. The idea is that it allows various exploration activities. The helmet was designed to not obstruct the view and to engage in dialogue. In the video below the faces are hidden to prevent spoilers.

Source: Charting a Course: Developing the Next Mass Effect.

I've posted something like this earlier, but somehow that got lost in the discussion or nobody clicked that link.

Because the armor is light, it doesn't hide the body shape. To me it looks like they won't be going the revealing armor path. Don't think it is needed for the envisioned armor. There is still room for unique armor. Look at the Krogan's armor in the latest BTS video. It has some tribal features on top of the basic armor. It looks like the armor is modular and therefor easy to customize.

 

Maybe some squad members have revealing outfits to be used off duty, but it would make sense to use the above armor during exploration or combat.
 

Not a big fan of that armor so far... and I wouldn't consider it 'light' either, too chunky.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Not a big fan of that armor so far... and I wouldn't consider it 'light' either, too chunky.

Yeah. The 2014 version looks a bit clunky. I assume it has been evolved into what we see in the last BTS version. That one looks less clunky.

[Sartoz]

I just hope that the customization menu for you also includes customization for your squadmates.  Nothing pissed me off worse than leaving a member behind on ME1 all game, having already sold his/her armor thinking there was something I was gonna do with it, just to have them show up in their Red shirt (Armor Level 1) on a mission that you really wanna take them on.

 

I mean, I guess that having individual lockers would do it, but meh.   Just so much easier to do when you do it all together.  

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Custom armour selection is probably handled via a sub-menu when choosing your mission Fire Team.  I'm unsure if individual armour upgrades is optimal from a game and Bio perspective. For example: I doubt you can upgrade individual pieces of a Krogan, Salarian or Asari armours.... even Turian.  We will probably get alternative armour looks for them.

 

However, our protag's armour is very  customizable , from what I understand.

[straykat]

If they could extend companion armors like this in DAI, then I don't know why they wouldn't here.

 

I'm not very positive about that game, but that was one it's better features. 

 

Like if you translated that to ME2, Jack and Miranda might have a barebones look, but it could be extended on the same way Cass or Solas is done. They never lose their signature style, but the armor variations are still pretty different.

[Shechinah]

But at least give me the chance to not have to have a hulking figure. I have seen so many threads saying that, "femShep's arms are too skinny for her to be a solider. She is too svelte to be taken seriously as a soldier. No one is going to believe she is a badass. She needs more muscle!" and so forth and so on. But I like playing a small framed woman who is still able to kick **** and be a badass while doing it.

 
While I get your overall point, I would like to note that to a number of people the request is about Shepard's body looking disproportionate especially the arms.

[maia0407]

 
While I get your overall point, I would like to note that to a number of people the request is about Shepard's body looking disproportionate especially the arms.

I've always found that complaint about Shep to be really weird but enough people have an issue that, I guess, there's something to it. I don't know, maybe it's because my arms have always been small so I think she looks normal. No amount of weight training bulks my arms up although they do get more toned. I've been told that I'm freakishly strong, though. lol To me, her arms look totally normal and I assumed she was freakishly strong as well despite her 'noodle arms'. 

[Giant ambush beetle]

I've always found that complaint about Shep to be really weird but enough people have an issue that, I guess, there's something to it. I don't know, maybe it's because my arms have always been small so I think she looks normal. No amount of weight training bulks my arms up although they do get more toned. I've been told that I'm freakishly strong, though. lol To me, her arms look totally normal and I assumed she was freakishly strong as well despite her 'noodle arms'. 

Define freakishly strong. I'm a power lifter, if I have learned one thing its that you absolutely need a lot of muscle to become freakishly strong. To get from a 125kg deadlift to a 245kg (540lbs) deadlift I had to get my body weight from 78kg/171lbs to 105kg /231lbs, and that's mostly muscle. 

I know nobody who is freakishly strong (in more than one discipline/lift) but looks skinny, all my friends doing the same sport are at least as big as me. 

 

So in a nutshell, FemShep should have gotten slightly bigger arms, not just for looks but also immersion. There is absolutely no reason why a Woman in her position wouldn't be trying to gain some muscle and physical strength. Its very weird to have a person pulling off amazing feats of strength, participating in extremely physically exhausting battles and rescuing the galaxy while looking like an average pale, pasty office worker. 

That felt really...off. 

[Gwydden]

Define freakishly strong. I'm a power lifter, if I have learned one thing its that you absolutely need a lot of muscle to become freakishly strong. To get from a 125kg deadlift to a 245kg (540lbs) deadlift I had to get my body weight from 78kg/171lbs to 105kg /231lbs, and that's mostly muscle. 

I know nobody who is freakishly strong (in more than one discipline/lift) but looks skinny, all my friends doing the same sport are at least as big as me. 

 

So in a nutshell, FemShep should have gotten slightly bigger arms, not just for looks but also immersion. There is absolutely no reason why a Woman in her position wouldn't be trying to gain some muscle and physical strength. Its very weird to have a person pulling off amazing feats of strength, participating in extremely physically exhausting battles and rescuing the galaxy while looking like an average pale, pasty office worker. 

That felt really...off. 

I'm kind of torn on this issue. I work out a lot (nothing extreme, but a lot) and there's regular weight lifting included in my routine (for reference, I weigh about 60kg/130lb), but like Maia my arms don't seem to get bigger. I think some people just don't have the genetics to be muscle bound Hulks.

 

From a purely selfish aesthetic perspective, I would prefer femRyder to have a more toned built than femShep without going too far. I find too much muscle unattractive, regardless of gender. Athletic but lean is the way to go.

 

So, kind of like me. Mirror, mirror... 

[maia0407]

Define freakishly strong. I'm a power lifter, if I have learned one thing its that you absolutely need a lot of muscle to become freakishly strong. To get from a 125kg deadlift to a 245kg (540lbs) deadlift I had to get my body weight from 78kg/171lbs to 105kg /231lbs, and that's mostly muscle. 
I know nobody who is freakishly strong (in more than one discipline/lift) but looks skinny, all my friends doing the same sport are at least as big as me. 
 
So in a nutshell, FemShep should have gotten slightly bigger arms, not just for looks but also immersion. There is absolutely no reason why a Woman in her position wouldn't be trying to gain some muscle and physical strength. Its very weird to have a person pulling off amazing feats of strength, participating in extremely physically exhausting battles and rescuing the galaxy while looking like an average pale, pasty office worker. 
That felt really...off. 

Eh, the freakishly strong thing is just something that's been said to me by guys surprised when I can, I dunno, lift certain pieces of furniture during a move. Being short with a small frame leads people to underestimate what I'm capable of handling. It's probably also a mix of flattery and showing off on their parts. At any rate, not trying to make it all about me, just an observation from my perspective that people are often stronger than they look.

I'm kind of torn on this issue. I work out a lot (nothing extreme, but a lot) and there's regular weight lifting included in my routine (for reference, I weigh about 60kg/130lb), but like Maia my arms don't seem to get bigger. I think some people just don't have the genetics to be muscle bound Hulks.
 
From a purely selfish aesthetic perspective, I would prefer femRyder to have a more toned built than femShep without going too far. I find too much muscle unattractive, regardless of gender. Athletic but lean is the way to go.
 
So, kind of like me. Mirror, mirror... 

Yeah, I just don't get bigger although nobody really expects me to since I lack testosterone and all. Have to say, I recently changed up the strength training portion of my workout from free weights to body weight. Ow! But, wow, am I seeing results!

[Monk]

I've always found that complaint about Shep to be really weird but enough people have an issue that, I guess, there's something to it. I don't know, maybe it's because my arms have always been small so I think she looks normal. No amount of weight training bulks my arms up although they do get more toned. I've been told that I'm freakishly strong, though. lol To me, her arms look totally normal and I assumed she was freakishly strong as well despite her 'noodle arms'. 

 

It's possible to be fit, meaning you're at your default strength for your weight, but not "show it". Those who think you're freakishly strong are probably use to other people who don't work out at all. Even someone who's naturally large as i am (6'2", large boned) won't have much strength unless it's applied.

 

Regards to armor, there was much expectation "noodly-arm" would fill her armor more.

[KBomb]

 
While I get your overall point, I would like to note that to a number of people the request is about Shepard's body looking disproportionate especially the arms.

There was some of that, but I saw a lot of complaints about how she was too skinny, or noodly armed, no way she could be strong, etc. I thought she looked like a normal woman who was talented in what she did and accomplished extraordinary feats--which, in my opinion, is what made her special. She wasn't a super soldier (until ME2), she was just a soldier that never gave up and went the extra miles to save herself and anyone around her. 

I've always found that complaint about Shep to be really weird but enough people have an issue that, I guess, there's something to it. I don't know, maybe it's because my arms have always been small so I think she looks normal. No amount of weight training bulks my arms up although they do get more toned. I've been told that I'm freakishly strong, though. lol To me, her arms look totally normal and I assumed she was freakishly strong as well despite her 'noodle arms'. 

I am a small person too and I wouldn't say that I am physically strong, but I think I am athletically strong if that makes sense. I do a lot of hiking and I can carry a backpack weighing 30lb with no issue. That may not seem a lot to some, but that is a little over 30% of my body weight. I also have a lot of stamina, you have to when you hike up mountains. That being said, I agree with you about the toning up. I can't seem to get any kind of muscle mass going. I have them in my calves because I wear heels everyday, but my arms are, in the words of the BSN, noodle arms. 

 

What I think people forget though, in the first Mass Effect, femShep didn't do anything that required massive strength. She was just an amazing soldier. In ME2, she did a lot of super soldier things, like fighting the Yahg--but she was also rebuilt to be a Super Soldier. She had a lot of cybernetics and implants. She might be more toned, but she didn't have to be huge. 

 

I think it boils down to what we perceive. Some people look at an overweight person and automatically think: unhealthy. Some people see someone small in stature and automatically think: weak.  Some people look at someone with massive muscle and think: incredibly strong and fit. None of these are universal truths, but because that is what is perceived, it sets a standard and that is what people expect. I can't blame someone who wants to see a "strongly built" Shepard, it's what they want to play. I get it. It just turns into eye-rolling when they can't accept the concept that not everyone wants that.

[Giant ambush beetle]

I'm kind of torn on this issue. I work out a lot (nothing extreme, but a lot) and there's regular weight lifting included in my routine (for reference, I weigh about 60kg/130lb), but like Maia my arms don't seem to get bigger. I think some people just don't have the genetics to be muscle bound Hulks.

 

Problems with muscle development are almost always caused by poor training or a poor training schedule, not genetics. I've met people thin as sticks with no training success whatsoever and with the right training even those bulked up considerably. Most of the time the root of the problem is a poor training schedule where people do the same exercises on a daily basis, or every other day not giving the muscles any rest to grow. The next most common problem is people using weights that are either too light, or too heavy, and of course nutrition. Most people starting with weight training keep their old diet which is of course completely inadequate.

 

If you are truly motivated to get the most out of your body with a schedule that is time proven and simply works, check out 5x5: http://stronglifts.com/5x5/

[Display Name Owner]

I'm in no way averse to fanservice. In fact, I love a bit of fanservice, but the answer's definitely practical from me. I mean, for one thing, fanservice is just standard. Honestly seeing some well designed armour brings out a lot more appreciation in me than some skin. The unrealistic... ness (if that's a word) of revealing armour is a lot more jarring to me than the sexiness of it is appealing.

 

...Well. Tbh it partly depends on what game universe we're talking about. Something like Final Fantasy, yeah fine, magic, cool. For something like Mass Effect that has a kind of realistic edge to it which goes towards making it so cool, it just doesn't work imo. And it's not like fanservice and realism are mutually exclusive, I thought the female models looked nice without any of the skin showing, like the ME1 light armours, or even the bulkier armour pieces Femsehp can get in 2 and 3. Samara certainly didn't need her baps out for her outfit to be sexy.

[SKAR]

Yeah. The 2014 version looks a bit clunky. I assume it has been evolved into what we see in the last BTS version. That one looks less clunky.

What we've seen is the same **** though. Looking clunky is one thing but we have full maneuverability and we can jetpack. What's next? Commander Shep's and everyone else's armor in ME is clunky? It's armor. If you're gonna call armor clunky look at James Vega. Even that didn't hinder mobility.

[SKAR]

Not a big fan of that armor so far... and I wouldn't consider it 'light' either, too chunky.

Hater. Apparently you need to see an eye doctor cause I don't know what you're seeing.

[AngryFrozenWater]

What we've seen is the same **** though. Looking clunky os one thing but we have full maneuverability and we can jetpack. What's next? Commander Shep's and everyone else's armor in ME is clunky? It's armor. If you're gonna call armor clunky look at James Vega. Even that didn't hinder mobility.

I don't think it's the same. To me the 2016 version looks better and lighter.

[SKAR]

I don't think it's the same. To me the 2016 version looks better and lighter.

If you say so. It's basically the same design.

[TevinterSupremacist]

I am always amused when people go "I love fanservice" then go on to explain why they'd want less fanservice-y aesthetics. Just say so, why the start in the opposite direction? You don't have to appear "understanding" to the "other side".

[Xilizhra]

Forgive me, but what in Hell's name is the point of armor with separated buttcheeks?

[TevinterSupremacist]

Forgive me, but what in Hell's name is the point of armor with separated buttcheeks?

Fiction satisfies. It can never end up being worse than "not intended for you" which is not really that bad a label. Apparently, some people find separated-buttcheek-armor satisfying. It's for them.

[SKAR]

Forgive me, but what in Hell's name is the point of armor with separated buttcheeks?

Armor that guys like? LOL