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[meg5493]

I think its all a matter of "is there equal amount of both". I don't mind if my female warrior is wearing skimpy rags revealing almost everything as long as I know I'll get some sick ass armor down the road that'll make me look like a harbinger of death with 15+ def. But if all I have is just the rags I'm not going to get as excited when my new armor set is just skimpy rags +1

[UpUpAway95]

I have no problem with outfits like Jack, Miranda, Samara, Tali, Jacob, Thane etc wear.  Whatever suits the character.  And I wouldn't complain if similar armor was among the choices available for Ryder's appearance.

 

ME is not even remotely 'hard' science fiction.  It's space opera.  It's Han and Leia stepping out into a space cave with nothing but a surgical mask.  It's aliens from the other side of the galaxy that breathe the same air and have all the proper tabs and slots for intercourse.  It's laser swords and space magic.

 

If they want to say that Jack is just as durable as Shepard in a firefight because 'barriers' and 'shields', that's fine with me.  If they want to say 'the armor does nothing against modern weapons, it's just a platform for the shield', I'm cool with that.

 

If you have to put a 'practical' spin on it, N7s wear heavier armor because they're trained to be able to function in rough terrain without a shield.  So Shepard could fall down on a gravel road and not skin their knee while Jack would get a boo boo.  Miranda wouldn't because the gravel wouldn't dare to damage her genetically perfect skin.  And space magic.

 

The problem I see with the whole attire issue in ME is consistency.  Having some individualized appearance to the armors of squadmates in ME2 makes more sense than having Ashley start out ME1 in distinctly pink armor while Kaidan, Jenkins, and Shepard pretty much all have a generic grey (other than the N7 insignia for Shepard).  After all, they are ALL in the same military organization. 

 

In ME2, this bites them in the butt as Kaidan starts out in Ashley's pink armor and then changes again to the generic gray... while Ashley is dressed in pink for both appearances in that game.  Then in ME3, Ashley's casual dress is a "sexed-up" jumpsuit, not the standard Alliance uniform.  Also, the armors of all the Alliance soldier squadmates should really look much the same, but Ashley's is again singled out being blue in color and having very prominent boob plates.

 

Turning to the alien squad mates - I see no real reason why they should not also appear in some variant of Alliance dress while on duty.  That said, I see even less reason why they weren't given any sort of casual attire.  They all wear their respective armors 24/7, it seems.

 

Now let's get back to ME2.  I said that having some individualization in the appearance of the squadmates in Me2 makes more sense than it does in ME1 or ME3.  However, Cerberus does have a uniform in place on the SR-2... so why shouldn't those who voluntarily joined the team wear the casual dress uniform while aboard the ship?  Why do even the human squadmates wear their armor (or combat dress) 24/7 aboard the SR-2 when Shepard only wears armor on missions?

 

Now, let's get to off-duty times.  Why is every one still wearing either their armor or other combat gear (if alien or non-Alliance) or their Alliance casual dress uniform (if Alliance) while attending a private party in Shepard's apartment during the Citadel DLC?  If there was ever an opportunity to tastefully show some skin in the game... that was it, IMO.

[FumikoM]

If you want sexy, get some sexy wear for lounging around the ship. If I need to concentrate on Sexy Lady party member while I'm in the middle of gameplay, then the gameplay needs to be redesigned.

Who said you need to have a companion dressed like that in your team? Did you miss all comments about it being a choice? Also, focus on the battle. Not the way someone is dressed.

[o Ventus]

If you want sexy, get some sexy wear for lounging around the ship. If I need to concentrate on Sexy Lady party member while I'm in the middle of gameplay, then the gameplay needs to be redesigned. 

 

If you "need" to concentrate on something sexy in gameplay, then YOU need to be redesigned. Nothing and nobody is forcing you to ogle your squadmates in the middle of a firefight.

[KaiserShep]

If you "need" to concentrate on something sexy in gameplay, then YOU need to be redesigned. Nothing and nobody is forcing you to ogle your squadmates in the middle of a firefight.

 

 

Mass Effect would need a proper tac cam for you to even be able to do that. 

[Spooch]

I'm fine with them not wearing armor, as long as they aren't dressed super skimpy in the middle of fire fights. I always thought Samara's outfit was really stupid, but honestly, Miranda's outfit wasn't that bad. It sorta felt like a secret agent outfit.

[AlanC9]

The problem I see with the whole attire issue in ME is consistency.  Having some individualized appearance to the armors of squadmates in ME2 makes more sense than having Ashley start out ME1 in distinctly pink armor while Kaidan, Jenkins, and Shepard pretty much all have a generic grey (other than the N7 insignia for Shepard).  After all, they are ALL in the same military organization. 

Though that coherent appearance won't last past the first armor drop anyway; it'll be gone before you leave Eden Prime unless you get screwed by the RNG. And there's nothing special about Ash's initial armor; it's a standard Phoenix set.

[shodiswe]

I had the least issues with EDI's clothing since "her" chassi was probably far more bulletproof underneath her "Jumpsuit", we're actualy talking about a robot/android here sentient or not..... Do you really need it to wear a Burka to feel safe? I don't think she(she clearly identifies herself as a she) needs a protective suit and would probably be ok in most environments, it would have to be something truly extreme I'm thinking.

 

Miranda, Jack, Thane, there I deffinately agree, they could use some better protection from hostile environments and even combat related dangers.

[spinachdiaper]

A fair trade off would be clunky ugly combat armor for the female characters when traveling and in combat areas, but when they are in home base areas they are dressed provocatively.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

I find the adolescent sex fantasy battle gear to be ridiculous and distasteful, but I also enjoy the righteous indignation of the BSN regulars.

[Totally Not a Poodle]

Yes to fan service!

I highly suggest BioWare look at how fan service is handled in the Hyperdimension Neptunia series, so that they get it right.

[Panda]

Jack and Miranda both looked silly next to fully armored Shepard. Or did Shepard look silly next to casually dressed Jack and Miranda? Truthfully, it depended a bit in place they were in. If we are in some kind of city, I do get Miranda's office outfit and whatever Jack was wearing- well no I don't get leather boobstrap, that would hurt like hell- but otherwise. However in the field of some planet and in combat situations those outfits were out of place. If protagonist is armored it would make sense that squad mates are armored as well. If squadmates are casually dressed then it would make sense protagonist wasn't wearing heavy armor either.

 

In terms of revealing outfits. I'm fine with those as long as they are optional and they are for both genders. DAO had mage outfit like that and I think it was nice to have that choice. Even though it looked silly to me and I never used it.

 

In terms of companions I don't mind characters having outfits like Isabela had in DA2 or Miranda had in ME2, but it should make sense. Jack's leather boobstrap didn't make any sense, it's not plausible outfit. There is no way that wouldn't slip under her breast all the time, especially in combat situations where she has to move around. There is no way it wouldn't rub her breast until skin would break and wouldn't hurt like hell. Also Samara's outfit just didn't make any sense either to me.

[malloc]

Panda panda panda panda I got broads in Atlanta

[Shechinah]

I had the least issues with EDI's clothing since "her" chassi was probably far more bulletproof underneath her "Jumpsuit", we're actualy talking about a robot/android here sentient or not.....

 

I don't mind the jumpsuit, I do mind things like the cameltoe.   

[fchopin]

I would be happy if there was an option like shepard had, wear Armour for fighting and something different for when not in combat.

[Giant ambush beetle]

By the way, we can have armor that is practical AND sexy, folks. 

Kek. 

 

 

 

[TurianSpectre]

why not both?

[78stonewobble]

1. Sound like it doesn't fit into your definition. I love how you use your subjective opinion to call me out on my subjective opinion. lol

 

2. I suppose you're the right people? 3. Who give you the authority? 4. No one is telling anyone that it's wrong or you worth less. 5. What you want is ruining other people's experience because of your value of sexuality. 6. If Bioware wants or doesn't want to include sexual contents, it shouldn't be because some people have problems with sexuality and dictate how the rest of the players experience those contents. 7. If anything, Bioware should give people what they want, not to pander to a few people who have problems with sexuality and force it on others. 8. I don't force anything on anyone, I merely offer those clothing styles as optional contents. 9. You take it upon yourself to be offended by these suggestions that somehow it makes your sexuality worth less since you based your opinions and your worth on a video game. 

 

1. The only subjective oppinion I'm pushing on you is to stop forcing your subjective oppinion on others. 

 

2. Did I ever say that? No. 

 

3. No, but you claim to have the authority, to say (paraphrased): 

 

People shouldn't sexualize nudity or skimpy clothing and if they do, f*** em... Don't have to resepct their subjective oppinion, but only mine. 

 

4. You did and you don't even have the capability to recognize it. Because me, me, me... 

 

5. No, I'm for choice, so everyone can get an experience to their liking. I accept that some people sexualize nudity or skimpy clothing and that might be a reason for them to not want it (via choice) or especially want it (through choice). 

 

Your approach will ruin other people's experience. "Only skimpy clothing and if you have a problem with it, f*** you" 

 

6. " If Bioware wants or doesn't want to include sexual contents, it shouldn't be because some people have problems with sexuality and dictate how the rest of the players experience those contents." 

 

If Bioware wants or doesn't want to include sexual contents, it shouldn't be because some people don't have problems with sexuality and dictate how the rest of the players experience those contents. 

 

See what I did there?

 

7. "If anything, Bioware should give people what they want, not to pander to a few people who have problems with sexuality and force it on others."

 

If anything, Bioware should give people what they want, not to pander to a few people who don't have problems with sexuality and force it on others. 

 

So what you're saying is give people what they want, but not those people who aren't the right people. 

 

In addition to ignoring eg. people who have no probem with sexuality, but just find sexuality at the wrong time inappropriate and immersion breaking. They can't have what they want either... not the right people I guess. 

 

I'm also assuming, that when you're not here, you're out protesting imprisonment of people being nude in eg. supermarkets or libraries.

 

8. Oh, thank you for graciously now allowing us lesser people's to have choice... even tho we are not the right people and should never be catered to (eg. have choice). Thank you our lord and saviour... Your mercy is infinite. 

 

9. Please, psychoanalyze me more... It couldn't possibly be, that I have a problem with that whole historic fad of devaluing other people, because theyre different, to the point, where they have no rights, rearing it's ugly head again.  

[UpUpAway95]

Though that coherent appearance won't last past the first armor drop anyway; it'll be gone before you leave Eden Prime unless you get screwed by the RNG. And there's nothing special about Ash's initial armor; it's a standard Phoenix set.

 

That's why I'm say that, if this is to be a game about being in a military, then they should scrap individual armor collection and make it so you can customize the "team" armor overall (rather than just customizing the player character).  There can be some very minor differences built in that reflect rank or status.  Same should go for on-duty casual dress (uniform fatigues).  Then they should have completely off-duty scenarios where they characters have individual dress that can be as provocative as the player selects. 

 

I'd think differently if this was a fantasy game or if the ARK turns out to be a civilian endeavor.

 

Barring that, the player should at least have a means to select a consistent "team" armor (while perhaps be able to ALSO go with unique looks for everyone, if the player is not into role playing as a military unit).  In ME1, the player could dress everyone alike only if they managed to collect a coherent set of gear (which was difficult - other than for the Phoenix stuff, which seems to turn up in almost every armor cache)... but in ME2 and ME3, the player had no ability to dress their own squad as a "unit"... and therefore, no way to really roleplay a "by the book" military sort of commander (beyond telling James he couldn't call you by a nickname). 

 

Even in ME1, the dress aboard the ship for the 3 alien squad mates reverted back to their original armors even if you were dressing them all alike for missions.  I was, however, pleasantly surprised that they didn't dress Ashley in pink fatigues.  (I don't want to see anyone out of uniform on my ship.)

 

... and the squad wearing their armor 24/7 is just... not right.  (Think of the chafing )  For example, they showed that they were capable of designing a casual dress for Garrus (dance scene in the Citadel DLC and, I believe, romance scene in ME2).  Liara also had some casual dresses at varying points in the game... Yet, they show up to Shep's party in armor?

[Serza]

Which would not matter since we're in a sci-fi setting and not in a fantasy one where people wield swords. Beam and ballistic weapons does not care if your chest plate is formed after your breasts or not. Thus the whole argument in the ME universe makes no sense.

 

Shows how much you know about ballistics.

 

 

The tank above is an IS-3. Would you care to explain why exactly the front plate is angled like this?

[Serza]

By the way, we can have armor that is practical AND sexy, folks. 

Kek. 

 

-snip-

 

 

Make that topkek.

[10K]

That's why I'm say that, if this is to be a game about being in a military, then they should scrap individual armor collection and make it so you can customize the "team" armor overall (rather than just customizing the player character).  There can be some very minor differences built in that reflect rank or status.  Same should go for on-duty casual dress (uniform fatigues).
 
Then they should have completely off-duty scenarios where they characters have individual dress that can be as provocative as the player selects.  I'd think differently if this was a fantasy game or if the ARK turns out to be a civilian endeavor.
 
Barring that, the player should have a means to select a consistent "team" armor (or perhaps to ALSO be able to go with unique looks for everyone if the player is not into roleplaying as a military).  In ME1, the player could dress everyone alike only if they managed to collect a coherent set of gear (which was difficult - other than for the Phoenix stuff, which seems to turn up in almost every armor cache)... but in ME2 and ME3, the player had no ability to dress their own squad as a "unit"... and therefore, no way to really roleplay a "by the book" military sort of commander (beyond telling James he couldn't call you by a nickname).  I don't want to see anyone out of uniform on my ship.
 
... and the squad wearing their armor 24/7 is just... not right.  (Think of the chafing )

I think this would be awesome to have the entire team coordinated in the same colors, instead of everyone having their own style. I missed this from ME1; everyone in my team would always wear the mercenary armor.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Shows how much you know about ballistics.

 

 

The tank above is an IS-3. Would you care to explain why exactly the front plate is angled like this?

 

 

While modern ballistic body armor is barely sloped, making elaborate ''boob'' plates and sharp angles and dents would definitely compromise its protection by a considerable amount. 

 

It makes a lot of sense to angle and slope armor wherever possible, but mainly on vehicles because its simply hard to do on body armor. 

In a nutshell, uniform and as simple as possible shapes is whats best for body armor. 

 

 

 

Sloped armor explained. Its simple, really. 

 

[Hrulj]

Characters should have actual armor, that shouldnt be revealing any skin. Showing skin in vacum of space is a recipe for painful death. On the other hand characters should wear casual clothing when not in action, which can be revealing, depending on character. 

[Navasha]

Personally, I prefer a few revealing armor types.   This is the future we are talking about here.   In a universe with energy shields, flexible polymers, and biotic barriers, you are trying to tell me that the only 'practical' armor has to consist of thick layers of metal?