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[brunomalta]

Dude´s against, let´s not turn this on a war. Let´s keep the discussion on an intelligent level. I don´t know if anybody here will really boycott or not. My real aim was to discuss this issue and hopefully, get some kind of date or answer from Bioware on when we can get a patch. Was it the right way ? I don´t know, all i know is that i am experiencing a few bugs that bother me and i would really love to see some clarification from a company that i trusted since Baldurs Gate 1.

[Spuro]

Quill74Pen wrote...

I will *not* partake in any so-called boycott of Bioware products.
It's disappointing that so many thread contributors apparently had horrible experiences with their copies of DA:O, but I did not. In fact, the only major framerate issue I can remember is at the end of the battle against the archdemon. That was particularly bad because I thought my PS3 had frozen. But other than for that, there really wasn't anything else noticeable, let alone game breaking.
Keep up the *excellent* work Bioware, and I look forwad to any patches and downloadable content you might release in the future for the PS3 version of DA:O.
Quill74Pen

That's a very selfish attitude.  Just because *you* don't experience issues doesn't mean other people don't.   In fact, it is quite the contrary, as there are threads created every day on a whole range of issues that has not been officially addressed at all.

Developers roughly fall under 4 categories:

1. Developers that release games with a number of bugs but give continued support to its players. 
2. Developers that doesn't give customer support but release games that are almost bug-free, (As 100% bug-free games are impossible).
3. The best developers release games that have very little bugs but still offer customer support (support as in releasing patches, being active with the community, etc.). 
4. The worst developers release games that features a fair number of glitches and bugs, in addition to providing little to no support. 

Unfortunately, Bioware at this point in time with this game falls under the 4th category.  Dress it up all you like, but the bottomline is that Bioware are ignoring its consumers and worst part is that they are most likely aware of it.

[Sambuque]

From what I played, DA seems to be an awaesome game; but the framerate induces an eye-blowing effect that I couldn't endure. I finished Bayonetta and played Sacred2 about 30 hours, and didn't complain about the framerate anywhere, so i'm not a framerate **** or looking for perfect tech. It's just that in the case of DA, the framerate is simply bellow what's acceptable.



There's a lot of bugs reported by a lots of DA players. I haven't experienced them as I couldn't play the game but I believe they exist; or that some secret organisation reports false bug

I always played on console since the early nineties and I don't remember of any console game with so many bugs.



That's a lot of peoples for so few support:

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[Rugerious]

Quill74Pen wrote...

I will *not* partake in any so-called boycott of Bioware products.

It's disappointing that so many thread contributors apparently had horrible experiences with their copies of DA:O, but I did not. In fact, the only major framerate issue I can remember is at the end of the battle against the archdemon. That was particularly bad because I thought my PS3 had frozen. But other than for that, there really wasn't anything else noticeable, let alone game breaking.

Keep up the *excellent* work Bioware, and I look forwad to any patches and downloadable content you might release in the future for the PS3 version of DA:O.

Quill74Pen

Finally some sense. I agree with you. The only problem I've even had was my playstation overheating cause I played all day.

[brunomalta]

There are indeed quests broken, and this is in all versions. If you didn´t find it, it means that you probably never made all the side quests.

Modifié par brunomalta, 29 janvier 2010 - 05:30 .

[brunomalta]

Maviarab wrote...

We choose the worst version of the game and now we are paying the price.

You said it bro...so stop ya whining yeah?

Nope. 

You fell unconfortable with my whining? Don´t read the thread. It is so simple, or contribute with the discussion with something relevant, what about it ?

[Enz0matriX]

Forgive my spelling

I am a ps3 fan boy, I have to say that the ps3 is awesome system and I honestly think that the ps3 could just skate by on its hardware alone and just do a os or software update to make it easy to code. Just one of my many thoughts. But anyway one of the best looking games I’ve played with lil or no problems was metal gear 4 now that was amazing game that’s just to me. Now back to the DO:A Look ps3 people I know we get no help or no tech support okay but look I have to say being apart of the ps3 family I always thought we sat very patiently and waited calmly look we waited for the ps3 to come out and we wound up with the better system overall I mean we will get ours soon I have no doubt but just hang in there everyone just awhile longer enjoy DO:A play the other story’s and attempt different endings just bide your time awhile longer and you will soon be enjoying the DLC



I will so get flamed for this

[Shadowcrazy4]

stop complaining to BIOWARE about this awesome game...or it'll be the last bioware game to hit the ps3. and i'll kick your ass online if that happens



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[rtype33]

Im not tying to be all pissed because I love BioWare and the fact that they've been giving us great games for years now. However it still feels like the PS3 community is getting the short end of the stick every way you look at it. The 360 gets every patch and DLC quicker than us. I mean they now even have RtO out now and we haven't even heard word of a release date on the PS3.

If I knew it was going to be like this on the PS3 I would have just bought DA:O for my 360.

Modifié par rtype33, 29 janvier 2010 - 07:54 .

[MisterBellyButtonMan]

The main problem with releases on the PS3 is that it's hardware is not as akin to the PC as the X-Box 360. It is truly a multimedia juggernaut and I probably only use it for gaming maybe 25% of the time I use the thing. I haven't experienced framerate issues, but I also have the older model with the "Emotion Engine" and all that jazz so that might make a difference.



The system itself has less memory than the X-Box 360 and definitely a PC. Programming for the PS3 is difficult because of this. Many very good programmers have explained this to me in the past and I just accept it. Now that BioWare has gotten a game working well enough on the PS3 and they have announced more development projects for the PS3 we'll see better and better games. However, it will always be a step behind the PC and the X-Box 360. Unless Sony shells out some serious cash to get developers to make exclusive games this will always be the case.



Now that BioWare has done the experiment and sales figures were acceptable we'll see better and better content from them over time. I suppose I would be more miffed if I gamed more on my PS3. In any case I think this was a fine first attempt and want to see more.



But that's coming from someone that has had developers explain the pitfalls in developing for the PS3 and optimizing games for the system, which is in short, a pain in the butt. I expect my games to come out after the other platforms and have no other expectations from developers.

[valdermos]

I dont think its a case of loving your ps3 or DA:O that has people so annoyed, its the fact that we've been left in the dark. This section is supposed to be ps3 community/support but where's the support. Plus the fact that when RTO was first to be released on jan 5th the release date for ps3 was coming soon, then when it went up on xbox live (i know it was only temp) the release date for ps3 was still coming soon and now that it's up and running on xbox live (fingers crossed it stays up and running) the release date for ps3 is pending its no wonder that people are frustrated

[MisterBellyButtonMan]

This is true a simple "we have no idea when it will be ready, still ironing things out" would probably satisfy most people.

[Tabogon]

It's been said in many other threads and it should be obvious for the most of you, but here's some quick thoughts:

1. PS3 doesn't get the support like XBOX and PC because there aren't as many PS3 users until just recently with the price drop of the system.

2. Older vs Newer systems, I am willing to bet that most of the people that have major issues are using older systems (known to have heating issues that could cause bad frame rates on any game)

3. Based off #2, we can safely assume that BIOWARE needs to take their time with a patch or it will be a broken patch based of off incorrect information.

4. Last, but really the most obvious, "there are threads created every day on a whole range of issues that has not been officially addressed at all" is easily explained by the fact that it's mostly the same people rehashing the same problems.

[Sacrificial Bias]

Maviarab wrote...

We choose the worst version of the game and now we are paying the price.

You said it bro...so stop ya whining yeah?

Yeah, and I'm sure you said the same thing about the RROD on the 360 when it first came out right?

Not like complaining about it ever did anything...

Oh wait!  YES IT DID!

[Quill74Pen]

Spuro wrote...

Quill74Pen wrote...

I will *not* partake in any so-called boycott of Bioware products.
It's disappointing that so many thread contributors apparently had horrible experiences with their copies of DA:O, but I did not. In fact, the only major framerate issue I can remember is at the end of the battle against the archdemon. That was particularly bad because I thought my PS3 had frozen. But other than for that, there really wasn't anything else noticeable, let alone game breaking.
Keep up the *excellent* work Bioware, and I look forwad to any patches and downloadable content you might release in the future for the PS3 version of DA:O.
Quill74Pen

That's a very selfish attitude.  Just because *you* don't experience issues doesn't mean other people don't.   In fact, it is quite the contrary, as there are threads created every day on a whole range of issues that has not been officially addressed at all.

Developers roughly fall under 4 categories:

1. Developers that release games with a number of bugs but give continued support to its players. 
2. Developers that doesn't give customer support but release games that are almost bug-free, (As 100% bug-free games are impossible).
3. The best developers release games that have very little bugs but still offer customer support (support as in releasing patches, being active with the community, etc.). 
4. The worst developers release games that features a fair number of glitches and bugs, in addition to providing little to no support. 

Unfortunately, Bioware at this point in time with this game falls under the 4th category.  Dress it up all you like, but the bottomline is that Bioware are ignoring its consumers and worst part is that they are most likely aware of it.

Selfish? And the opening post would be, what?, selfless? To me, it comes down to this: Folks who have issues with the game are always *more* vocal than those who do not. Which is why it seems like they're the majority a lot of the time when, in fact, they're not.

Look, I sincerely hope Bioware comes through for the folks who are having problems. Really, I do. But I think it's a huge mistake to go beyond civility toward Bioware — as some folks have — because it serves no purpose other than to make the posters look juvenile. If that happens, their contributions (regardless of accuracy) are most likely ignored or put on the backburner by Bioware employees.

Quill74Pen

[Sacrificial Bias]

Quill74Pen wrote...

Selfish? And the opening post would be, what?, selfless? To me, it comes down to this: Folks who have issues with the game are always *more* vocal than those who do not. Which is why it seems like they're the majority a lot of the time when, in fact, they're not.

Look, I sincerely hope Bioware comes through for the folks who are having problems. Really, I do. But I think it's a huge mistake to go beyond civility toward Bioware — as some folks have — because it serves no purpose other than to make the posters look juvenile. If that happens, their contributions (regardless of accuracy) are most likely ignored or put on the backburner by Bioware employees.

Quill74Pen

You are of course assuming, in blind faith, that they actually read the things here before deleting or hiding them, much like previous topics.

However, when just such a "hate" thread is left laying around for 72+ hours before such action is taken, you know for sure that they don't even look in this general direction for at least that length of time.

[Rugerious]

Call Customer support. I called and got at least an estimated time 2 weeks (i called on the 29th). Instead of whining on your computers talk to the canadadadian folks at bioware customer support.

[Bathead]

Tabogon wrote...

It's been said in many other threads and it should be obvious for the most of you, but here's some quick thoughts:
1. PS3 doesn't get the support like XBOX and PC because there aren't as many PS3 users until just recently with the price drop of the system.
2. Older vs Newer systems, I am willing to bet that most of the people that have major issues are using older systems (known to have heating issues that could cause bad frame rates on any game)
3. Based off #2, we can safely assume that BIOWARE needs to take their time with a patch or it will be a broken patch based of off incorrect information.
4. Last, but really the most obvious, "there are threads created every day on a whole range of issues that has not been officially addressed at all" is easily explained by the fact that it's mostly the same people rehashing the same problems.

This is not true in my case. I am using an older discontinued 80 G. model, and DAO runs fine. NO major game-breaking or framerate issues at all. 
I suspect this could be a major part of why a patch is taking so long, that the problems are too inconsistent and varied amongst the different versions of the console. I would think one has to be careful that a patch that may fix something on one PS3 unit, might screw something up on a different unit. At least, that's my theory.

Modifié par Bathead, 30 janvier 2010 - 05:56 .

[tallon1982]

I don't know if this was mentioned but there's a lot more red tape to cut through to get things done though Sony. It's why a lot of delays happen for PS3 games. The licensing is and always will be an issue. If you want to rage against someone why not pester Sony for their gauntlet of red tape that prevents programmers to get patches out to the gamers that need them?

[LadyVaJedi]

When I play DAO the dead corpses do take a couple minutes to be looted. The load screens do take a bit. And so of the side quests are glitched. The quest signs stay up on some of the guys when I have turned in the items or accomplished the goal. I am wondering why RTO isn't out yet for the ps3 as well.

[Paul143]

keep it up the good work bioware... im willing to wait any patches and downloadble content you might release... Hoping RTO will release early as much as possible for ps3... thanks

[Sacrificial Bias]

I wonder when or even IF the various brown-nosers will ever pick up on the FACT that the last post anyone from Bioware ever made in this forum was a little over a month ago.



It was a short message from Fernando Melo stating, "Moved to PS3 support" and what not, which is very nice and all on top of the fact that he didn't provide any actual help with the problem the OP had. [/sarcasm]



And while several people have made it abundantly apparent that PS3 support is somewhat lacking for most games on the platform, I still find it kind of funny that a lot of people still haven't been able to come up with a witty comeback for the utter lack of response whatsoever from Bioware in regards to anything related to this platform.



Bioware's behavior is somewhat reminiscent of a parent stuffing their fingers in their ears and letting the babies scream away for hours on end(which is excellent parenting btw).



And if Bioware truly is too busy to respond despite the notably higher instances of acknowledging the existences of those who own the other versions of the game on PC and the 360, I can't help but to beg the question of who's fault that actually is. As someone else once said, "Spinning a plate on a stick is impressive, but try to spin 3 plates at once and you'll just end up digging porcelain out of your face."

[Rythuse]

I have played oN about 4 play throughs worth of time actually 3 I'm on an iPod so it's annoying to go back and delet....anywaay I havnt seen that many bugs the loot problem only happens to me if I have had my ps3 on for like15 hours straight and it may be a repetitive arguement but the ps3 is a muuuuuch harder console to do things for it is much more complete then the xbox 360 I know 1 person won't make a difference but I am not bouycotting an you all should research on te ps3 before you complain