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[Cyberpunk]

The two choices in trespasser were either to

 

1. Disband the Inquisition

2. Downsize the Inquisition and submit it under the Divine

 

Now I understand why Bioware did not write in more choices. BUT those choices limit the sort of characters that you could play.

 

My good character disbanded the Inquisition. My mage hating but Chantry loving character downsized and submitted under the Divine. Both made sense.

 

BUT my selfish Dalish Mage who just raised the BEST army in the south, would never downsize, disband, or submit under anyone. She declared the Inquisition for herself, and eliminated all rivals to her own personal power. She wanted to control a kingdom basically. There should have been a 3rd choice for a selfish or evil character to essentially say no to both Orlais and Ferelden and to dare them to act.

 

Basically an act of defiance in light of Solas' threat. The Inquisition should have been given a possible ending like the Teutonic Knights, which eventually became their own kingdom. 

[vertigomez]

I think the Inquisition would probably end up squished by Orlais and Ferelden at least and the Inquisitor drawn and quartered if you completely refused to cede power.

[ArcadiaGrey]

Going forward that option would result in a huge power struggle between Orlais and Ferelden, having to write that into DA4 as but one of 3 possible outcomes would be unrealistic.

I like the idea, but the IQ isn't written to be anything you want them to be.  There's an essentially 'doing it because it's needed' core going through all of them.  Evil, selfish bastards need not apply. 

 

Maybe one day...

[PapaCharlie9]

BUT my selfish Dalish Mage who just raised the BEST army in the south, would never downsize, disband, or submit under anyone. She declared the Inquisition for herself, and eliminated all rivals to her own personal power. She wanted to control a kingdom basically. There should have been a 3rd choice for a selfish or evil character to essentially say no to both Orlais and Ferelden and to dare them to act.
 
Basically an act of defiance in light of Solas' threat. The Inquisition should have been given a possible ending like the Teutonic Knights, which eventually became their own kingdom.

Solas Greatly Approves.

Since, of course, your Dalish's foolish ambition would enable Solas, and probably the nobility of both Orlais and Fereldan, if not Antiva, Nevarra, Tevinter, the Qunari and a few more, to infiltrate and corrupt your organization.

Your Dalish would either be dead by assassination or blackmailed into a puppet before the end of the year.

[Shechinah]

That would basically result in a fail ending as far as I can see;

 

Orlais and Fereldan would have had cause to set aside their differences to launch a joint campaign against the Inquisition. The Inquisition's support would have crumbled given that it would be politically suicide for nobles to side with the Inquisition so it would lose funding and there'd be little reason for the common people, with the exception of the fanatic, to be willing to fight against their country and countrymen so they'd likely leave which diminishes the Inquisition's forces.

 

Additionally, given how your advisors might feel about it, the Inquisition would lose important members of it's leadership. There's little reason as to why the Divine, regardless of who you pick, would express approval of such an action so her support would be gone as well.

 

Basically this decision would logically not result in an importable save but in a non-importable ending that is basically a game-over.

[vbibbi]

I agree with your intent, but given the limits provided within the base game, these two options make sense. It's a larger issue IMO where there was only one allowed method to play the Inquisitor, and that was someone who was committed to using the Inquisition to bring back order. We weren't able to rp as someone who wanted to use the Inquisition to gain power for their own ends. We can headcanon that, but it does not show up in the actual game at all, apart from the initial speech we give when we're made the Inquisitor.

 

So in order for this option to come about at the end of Trespasser, we would have needed the option in the main game.

[Xilizhra]

My solution to this would be to sign a treaty with Ferelden and cede any territory taken there. If the Inquisition can be an ally of Ferelden and a bulwark against Orlais, then Orlais would stand alone against Ferelden, the Inquisition, probably Nevarra, and definitely the Divine. I think that should allow the Inquisition to retain its full power.

[Andromelek]

I would like to conquer Ferelden and cede the power the Inquisition has in Orlais, with Loghain out of the screen those dog lords mean no threat nor challenge for anyone.

[thats1evildude]

There should have been a 3rd choice for a selfish or evil character to essentially say no to both Orlais and Ferelden and to dare them to act.

 

I doubt your highly moral advisors and the majority of your troops would go along with the Inquisitor trying to carve out their own kingdom.

[Fredward]

Meh, I like to think my Inquisitors who don't disband just go from wielding a lot of hard power to focusing on soft power. Refocusing on secrets and favors and investing in banks, plying sympathetic Chantry types to lobby for a verse about the Herald in the Chant etc.

[Voidinist]

It would have been nice to include this, though. An actual fail state in which the Inquisitor dies to their own hubris and the threats of Solas and the Qunari grow stronger after the Chantry/Orlais/Ferelden wastes time, effort, and resources getting rid of the Inquisitor.

[vertigomez]

It would have been nice to include this, though. An actual fail state in which the Inquisitor dies to their own hubris and the threats of Solas and the Qunari grow stronger after the Chantry/Orlais/Ferelden wastes time, effort, and resources getting rid of the Inquisitor.

That would be neat. A non-standard game over.

[katerinafm]

I do wish there was a way to not disband but not submit to the Divine. It doesn't make sense for not believer inquisitors like most Dalish elves.

[Lord of War]

Straight up accepting Orlais's offer would be the selfish move here, though. You'd keep everything, and all you'd have to do is play lip service to Val Royuex. 

[Melbella]

Straight up accepting Orlais's offer would be the selfish move here, though. You'd keep everything, and all you'd have to do is play lip service to Val Royuex.

Yeah, it almost seems like folding into the Chantry should have been the "hidden" or "compromise" third option, with the first two being do what Ferelden wants (disband) or do what Orlais wants ("partner" with them). Maybe you only get the third option if you have high approval (Cass or Viv) with the Divine or, for Leliana, do all of her quests, and support their candidacy beforehand.

[Cyberpunk]

Actually I think if the Inquisition were to start its own state, the way I have RP my Dalish Elf Inquisition basically already makes it a defacto military power. It would have been possible for Bioware to write it in, and in DA4 in Tevinter, we hear stories about how Orlais and Ferelden are negotiating with the Inquisition or that the Inquisitor has playing Orlais against Ferelden. 

 

Basically a Machiavellian Inquisition. 

[Cyberpunk]

I think the Inquisition would probably end up squished by Orlais and Ferelden at least and the Inquisitor drawn and quartered if you completely refused to cede power.

 

With the power of my Inquisition being focused on the army and Cullen being very loyal. I wanted an ending that would dare them to try. PLUS my Inquisitor would play Orlais and Ferelden against each other, which was the point. 

[vertigomez]

With the power of my Inquisition being focused on the army and Cullen being very loyal. I wanted an ending that would dare them to try. PLUS my Inquisitor would play Orlais and Ferelden against each other, which was the point.

The more you keep daring (and not getting out of their sovereign territory), the more likely it is that other nations are going to take note, and pretty soon not only do Ferelden and Orlais have you on their **** list but so does everybody else. What's Cullen gonna do, lmao?

It would have been a fun option, but you said "she wanted to control a kingdom basically" which means that you'll get treated like an enemy and mercilessly crushed by the might of at least several powerful actual kingdoms. They're willing to put aside their petty grievances to swat your power-hungry patella off the map.

[Cyberpunk]

My solution to this would be to sign a treaty with Ferelden and cede any territory taken there. If the Inquisition can be an ally of Ferelden and a bulwark against Orlais, then Orlais would stand alone against Ferelden, the Inquisition, probably Nevarra, and definitely the Divine. I think that should allow the Inquisition to retain its full power.

 

That would be an example of what they could have written in. Something like that is my personal headcanon except my Inquisitor would have allied with Orlais and kept manipulating the two powers so that each one needs the Inquisition to NOT be hostile in order to deal with the other. 

[Cyberpunk]

I would like to conquer Ferelden and cede the power the Inquisition has in Orlais, with Loghain out of the screen those dog lords mean no threat nor challenge for anyone.

 

Not sure Bioware will sacrifice Ferelden like that in any plot though. But I like where your story is heading. 

[Gervaise]

I did wonder about this option being available for someone who was actually very committed to the Maker, had declared their faith and gone around doing everything in the name of Andraste.   So to oppose you they had to literally do what they did to Andraste and that I suppose is the drawback of the idea; because someone would have double crossed you and arranged your capture before you were able to appeal to the faithful.

 

Let's face it, just by attending the Exalted Council you are to an extent placing yourself under the jurisdiction of the Divine.    The Divine is also no fool since they have arranged the Council deep in Orlesian territory, so if you refuse to comply you are going to have to fight your way back to the border, if you aren't immediately placed under arrest.     You could have insisted on a neutral location somewhere but that would simply alert the powers that you are getting above yourself.

 

I'm still not happy that I couldn't take Ferelden to task more over the fact that their nobility did nothing to help in the crisis, particularly in the Hinterlands or Crestwood, and that but for the Inquisition most of their freeholders would be dead.    So insisting that the freeholders should decide who should reside in Caer Bronach and receive their taxes would be in keeping with the laws of Ferelden but I suppose you would still need the backing of the Divine for this.

 

The Inquisition was originally set up under the authority of Divine Justinia.    It is clear it was intended by her to enforce any decisions reached at the Conclave and her will in the matter in particular.    So long as there was no new Divine, that authority was still valid but with the new Divine in place, the control of the Inquisition would technically pass to her anyway.    Thus, to my mind, this was an academic exercise on the part of the Divine, intended to let you save face and make the decision for yourself whether to officially place yourself under her jurisdiction as her private army or to disband.    Really the Divine had you over a barrel because if you refuse to disband and retain the organisation independently of her, that is a challenge to the faith and she can call an Exalted March, which Orlais and Ferelden, plus likely Nevarra as well, would only be too willing to support.    Sadly there is no gratitude among the leadership of Thedas as Andraste discovered to her cost.  

[Catilina]

Pro:

 

My moderate Andrastian Trevelyan choosed the downsize and submit under the Divine.

 

With my elf and Qunari mage I would like an option to be an independent organization of the Inquisition, not the fist of the Chantry (as the Templar Order). The Chantry need some control...

 

Of course, not possible to maintain a strong military organization without political support ... I do not think, Orlais would support that, if it were independent of the Chanty, perhaps Ferelden, Nevarra and the Free Marches?

 

Contra:

 

This organisation created for a particular purpose, the supporters agreed to its purpose. The immediate danger, however, was averted. What can keep up the organization? 

The templars probably would leaving, without the Chantry (I think)

The mages probably would remain in the organization, but let's face it, it would be hard to get supporters for an independent mage-army... (From only one lonely independent mage can get scared the people in Thedas...)

The soldiers? Who know...

 

In addition, an independent military organization can become quite dangerous if the leader is not correct.

What kind is your leader? A tyrant? A good man, who just want to keep the balance (the power can corrupting easily, but suppose your character are strong enough for the resist...)? 

 

It would be difficult to predict the end, I think the writers would problems with it. 

[Aliceeverafter]

The two choices in trespasser were either to

 

1. Disband the Inquisition

2. Downsize the Inquisition and submit it under the Divine

 

Now I understand why Bioware did not write in more choices. BUT those choices limit the sort of characters that you could play.

 

My good character disbanded the Inquisition. My mage hating but Chantry loving character downsized and submitted under the Divine. Both made sense.

 

BUT my selfish Dalish Mage who just raised the BEST army in the south, would never downsize, disband, or submit under anyone. She declared the Inquisition for herself, and eliminated all rivals to her own personal power. She wanted to control a kingdom basically. There should have been a 3rd choice for a selfish or evil character to essentially say no to both Orlais and Ferelden and to dare them to act.

 

Basically an act of defiance in light of Solas' threat. The Inquisition should have been given a possible ending like the Teutonic Knights, which eventually became their own kingdom. 

Mother Giselle is very keen to point out the Inquisition knows when to lay down its weapons. I don't think a power mad elf would have been made Inquisitor. I think Cassandra would have just thumped them.

[GoldenGail3]

LOL! Our Quizzies would get along, but I don't really know if Artemis is too keen on dying by battling with both Orlais and Ferelden though, so yeah... He wisely bowed down to the Chantry though.

[LobselVith8]

BUT my selfish Dalish Mage who just raised the BEST army in the south, would never downsize, disband, or submit under anyone. She declared the Inquisition for herself, and eliminated all rivals to her own personal power. She wanted to control a kingdom basically. There should have been a 3rd choice for a selfish or evil character to essentially say no to both Orlais and Ferelden and to dare them to act.

 

Basically an act of defiance in light of Solas' threat. The Inquisition should have been given a possible ending like the Teutonic Knights, which eventually became their own kingdom. 

 

I don't think that it is necessarily evil or selfish not submit to the demands of Orlais or Ferelden. Trying to use the Inquisition to re-establish a sovereign elven homeland, for example - where Andrastian elves wouldn't be killed in acts of genocide (the purges) and the Dalish would be free to follow their culture and religion without being attacked (since it was illegalized after the fall of the Dales) - would have been nice. You could want to continue the Inquisition to continue supporting Briala, who I see as the most ideal candidate to help the elves in Orlais and the Dales.

 

There's also the hypocrisy of Tegan's claims (in the post-Dalish Boon world state) because Bioware changed the outcome of the Dalish Boon, and now Redcliffe owns the Hinterlands that were given to the Dalish.