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[Fredward]

Spoilers from like... everything. Games/comics etc.

 

One, Flemeth had daughters. At the very least she had Morrigan and Yavana (if we assume that every WotW is a daughter) and we know that Flemeth carries over something  to her daughters. Morrigan thinks it was possession but Flemeth says it has to be taken willingly and we know Yavana wasn't Flemeth unless there are multiple Flemeths. Which, there might be. Cuz we know she can split herself off into amulets as an insurance policy. We also know that Mythal came to Flemeth as a wisp of the goddess she once was. We also know that Flemeth put something in the an eluvian before Solas absorbed/merged with her.

 

So, the question: could Mythal have split herself further and deposited bits of her divinity in her daughters?

 

Next question! Whats with Solas and his aversion/disgust towards Grey Wardens? He seems to be downright afraid of them killing archdemons or at the least think it's spectacularly stupid. He says stuff like "action is not inherently preferable to inaction" and "for all we know killing the archdemons could be making things worse." Are they Grey Wardens misinterpreting the roles of the archdemons? Yavana mentions that dragons are the lifesblood of the world, does this include archdemons? Does it refer specifically to archdemons? Are the archdemons doing something fundamentally necessary while they're sleeping underground until they're corrupted by the darkspawn? Or does he just object cuz he's evil and the using the darkspawn/archdemons factor into his plan somehow and he needs Grey Wardens out of the way?

 

Also, side question: do you think Andraste's direct bloodline is gonna play a role in future games?

[Captain Wiseass]

I dunno, we'll probably find out in future games, and I doubt it.

[thats1evildude]

The answer to all your questions is:



We know that the ancient elves once mined for lyrium after defeating the Titan(s). We know they abandoned those mines, fearing some unknown cataclysm.

We also know the Old Gods are underground. It is possible that the ancient elves discovered the Old Gods and hurriedly abandoned their mines. His dislike of the Wardens and their plan could be based on a genuine fear of the Old Gods.

"But the Wardens have killed five Old Gods already!" Sure did. But we don't know what effect killing all seven Old Gods will have on the world. What if it makes the darkspawn intelligent? What if death is what the Old Gods truly want?

[nightscrawl]

The point about the darkspawn is that no one knows what will happen when the (last) of the Old Gods are finally killed, either by having the final two Blights, or by whatever method the Wardens come up with. Not even the Grey Wardens know. When a Blight is not active, the great bulk of them remain underground, digging and tunneling to find an Old God and corrupt it with the taint, thus starting a Blight. If there is no Old God to spur them on with its call, the darkspawn very well may just become untethered and head to the surface, corrupting everything in their path, in addition to the various acts of violence. That is the great concern Solas is alluding to.

 

 

And uh... did Andraste have children?

[Qun00]

The answer to all your questions is:

That's just evil, dude.

[raging_monkey]

Yeah she did most died off

[Captain Wiseass]

 

And uh... did Andraste have children?

Two daughters, according to a codex entry.

[dawnstone]

The Old Gods aren't archdemons until they're exposed to the Blight. Until that point they're still Old Gods singing in their sleep. Almost like they're in Uthenera or something.

[thats1evildude]

Two daughters, according to a codex entry.

One daughter died off and the other married a Tevinter magister. Records tracing her bloodline have been lost.

[nightscrawl]

One daughter died off and the other married a Tevinter magister. Records tracing her bloodline have been lost.

 

Okay... so much potential with this. But... there have been so many "so-and-so is a descendant of Jesus" things that it might just be a bit played out at this point.

[vertigomez]

Okay... so much potential with this. But... there have been so many "so-and-so is a descendant of Jesus" things that it might just be a bit played out at this point.

Plot twist: DA4's primary antagonist is the last descendant of Andraste, and we have to kill them. Cue crises of conscience or gleeful murder.

[Steelcan]

Dos stands for denial of service, you're welcome

[Andromelek]

Dos stands for denial of service, you're welcome

I thought it was the spanish for "two" and expected to see another comunity bash on language

[dawnstone]

Plot twist: DA4's primary antagonist is the last descendant of Andraste, and we have to kill them. Cue crises of conscience or gleeful murder.

Well, if the last descendant of Andraste is Morrigan, and she ends up being an antagonist with the last bit of Mythal jumping into her...

 

 

Nah, they'd never do it.

[Qun00]

I thought it was the spanish for "two" and expected to see another comunity bash on language

I'm not the only one, then.

[vertigomez]

Well, if the last descendant of Andraste is Morrigan, and she ends up being an antagonist with the last bit of Mythal jumping into her...



Nah, they'd never do it.

If Morrigan ends up being the last descendant of Andraste I will **** myself laughing.

I'll let you imagine what those asterisks are.

[Qun00]

Screw that. I'm more interested in meeting Andraste herself, somehow. Her ghost, a flashback, something.

We've been meeting these elven gods, so it's about time Andrastianism got some love too.

[Andromelek]

Well, if the last descendant of Andraste is Morrigan, and she ends up being an antagonist with the last bit of Mythal jumping into her...
 

 
Nah, they'd never do it.

Meh, she' not badass, if there's a major villain, other than Solas (s)he has to be badass, so Bioware can make a marketing campaign based on him/her just to pass it to a secondary role and keep Solas as main bad, because I wouldn't make a trailer for Solas, he's rather baldass.

[Gervaise]

Apparently lots of people have tried to claim a connection to Andraste down the years, which is why the writer makes the point that descendants of Andraste only ever seem to have daughters and in Thedas it would seem that on the whole women still take their husband's name, thus making it very difficult to trace the family beyond the daughter who married the mage, before they disappeared together, I seem to recall, before Andraste actually started her campaign against Tevinter.  

 

So they could have gone south into the wilds of Ferelden or they could have gone north, perhaps to what is now the Freemarches, Antiva and even Rivain, which would seem remote enough for them to be safe from reprisals and which traditionally has a matriarchal society that reveres "wise women", who dispense wisdom to the community.     Potentially the descendent of Andraste could be someone we have yet to meet.

 

Other candidates than Flemeth and her daughters whom we have already met?    What about Calpernia?   No one knows who her family was.   According to her short story she has immense natural talent for magic but before it manifested itself, she was heard by other servants to mutter in a strange language when asleep.   

 

To be honest, apart from the implications for the southern Chantry, and to a lesser extent the Imperial one, what significance does being the descendent of Andraste really have?     May be traditional stories handed down through the family telling the truth about what really happened back then.    Possibly some artefact that only a descendent can use?    Flemeth seemed more interested in Calenhad's bloodline than her own.

 

Any bloodline would be so diluted by now, I really doubt that could have an significance but if the writers want it to, then I've no doubt it could.    Remember that whilst Flemeth only appears to have daughters, it could be that she had sons but they died as children.    Her bloodline clearly is able to have something other than daughters; look at Kieran.

[PapaCharlie9]

Next question! Whats with Solas and his aversion/disgust towards Grey Wardens? He seems to be downright afraid of them killing archdemons or at the least think it's spectacularly stupid. He says stuff like "action is not inherently preferable to inaction" and "for all we know killing the archdemons could be making things worse."

I took his aversion to be about the Warden "ends justify the means" approach to everything and deja vu of the Evanuris, who probably justified their atrocities in the same way.

Like he's one to talk. Maybe it's just plain old guilt.

I take it you are referring to this argument with Erimond?

Inquisitor:Why would the Wardens try to kill the Old Gods?
Erimond: A Blight happens when darkspawn find an Old God and corrupt it into an Archdemon.
Erimond: If someone fought through the Deep Roads and killed the Old Gods before they could be corrupted… poof!
Erimond: No more Blights. Ever. The Wardens sacrifice their lives and save the world.
Solas: That’s madness! For all we know, killing the Old Gods could make things even worse!

You jumped the gun a bit and read "archdemon" into "old god". The whole point of that dialogue is Erimond's (or, perhaps more accurately, The Architect's from The Calling) argument that killing the buried Old Gods before they become Archdemons will end all Blights.

Here Solas's complaint isn't specifically about Wardens, it's about Erimond's and Clarel's insanely reckless plan. Which, after all, turns out to be a ruse de guerre anyway.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Dos stands for denial of service, you're welcome

Also Desktop Operating System.

[Fredward]

Also Desktop Operating System.

 

Also, Deathly Old Spinster.

[Gervaise]

Solas' anxiety isn't just expressed in that conversation with Erimond.   If you talk to him when you get back to Skyhold he is beside himself that you need to take action to stop it.   Now I assumed this was because he was worried about the poor spirits being wrenched through the Veil against their will and turned into demons.   I recall I even said as much to him.   This turned out not to be the case.    It was specifically going after the old gods that was concerning him, though as usual he quickly recovered himself when he may have realised he was giving too much away and never broached the subject again.   Naturally we weren't allowed to either.

 

I am also of the opinion that when Solas says that something "could" make things worse that in fact is code for him knowing that it most definitely will, although I suppose it could be hindsight working because he knows from bitter experience that the best laid plans do not always have the result you intended.

[nightscrawl]

Any bloodline would be so diluted by now, I really doubt that could have an significance but if the writers want it to, then I've no doubt it could.    Remember that whilst Flemeth only appears to have daughters, it could be that she had sons but they died as children.    Her bloodline clearly is able to have something other than daughters; look at Kieran.

I think the importance would lie in the symbolism, not in the actual bloodline.