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[Kabooooom]

Time will tell for me.

I still haven't forgiven them for going "Its in the books" to any story criticisms for Halo 4. And I am still livid with them for removing the franchise's staple feature of split screen multiplayer for Halo 5, as well as injecting infuriating micro-transactions into the competitive play. Plus 343 seems just as human-centric as Bungie was; all I want to see is another game like Halo 2, one that tells the alien's side of things, but that doesn't look like it will ever happen with them.

Yeah, probably not. They could have had a few missions in H5 as the Arbiter and the Swords of Sanghelios and fans would have been absolutely stoked about it.

I think the story is definitely going to remain human centric though, if nothing else then because the extended lore has the (absolutely idiotic but now central to the story) plot point about ancient humanity and inheriting the Mantle. Luckily, they seem to be focusing more on Chief's character arc more than anything else so far, since he has a yet to be fully explained and mysterious role in the Librarian's plans. And I support that. Both in Halo 4 and 5 it was more a focus on the individual characters than anything.

But it's all building up to the ultimate, inevitable, and super obvious conclusion where humanity faces the return of the Flood in full force (like the Forerunners and Ancient Humanity faced) since they are a "trial" of the Precursors to evaluate worthiness for obtaining the Mantle, and then we are forced to make a difficult choice such as firing the Halo array. Which was also foreshadowed in H1 and the Forerunner saga.

So, I agree, I don't think it will be anything more than a heavily humanity focused storyline from here on out.

[EpicNewb]

Good stuff

 

I like the mythology

 

If ships will be species based, the Krogan Ark must be called KALROS

[shodiswe]

Yes, by all means, let's have the weakest, poorest and least developed Council race foot the bill for the other 11 races as well. Mass Effect's humanity is already the biggest mary sue race in all of sci-fi, so let's just open the floodgates and make them more powerful and able than the Q.

 

For one, humanity wasn't poor, they probably had the highest per-capita income, their industry was booming and trade deals were prosperous and everyone wanted to make deals with the humans. They might not have had the biggest economy in terms of numbers, but they had a strong economy.

 

Kind of how Norway has 170% of the UK's GDP/capita and no national debt, instead they got future emergency and investment funds. They arn't a big economy, but they are a strong one.

 

But I kind of agree, Human shipyards might have built the ships but I'm sure the other contributed with both tech, materials and money, especialy if there is more than one ARK.

 

The movie 2012, might have been an inspiration. maybe... It had several ARK's

[Sigzy05]

 

Something recently discovered by a user on reddit. One of the ARK ships from the E3 2016 trailer is called "Hyperion:

 

Pointed out in the comments of the post, Hyperion in Greek mythology was one of 12 siblings; Mnemosyne, Tethys, Theia, Phoebe, Rhea, Themis, Oceanus, Hyperion, Coeus, Cronus, Crius, and Iapetus. These are the 12 Titans.

 

If there are 12 ARK ships, that means there could be one for each of the 12 races from the Milky Way; Asari, Salarian, Turian, Human, Krogan, Quarian, Volus, Hanar, Drell, Elcor, Batarian, Vorcha(/Geth).

 

Thoughts? Might we actually be bringing all the races from the Milky Way with us? Also, forgive me if this has been posted already on the BSN somewhere!

 

edit: something I've just found... One of the children of Hyperion is called "Helios". Many of you will probably remember the old leak where it was said we'll be exploring the "Helius" Cluster in Andromeda. Coincidence? I think not.

 

I also tried linking some of the Milky Way species with traits associated with the 12 Titans:

• Coeus(Intellect)=Salarians
• Theia(divine etc)=Asari
• Themis(Law and order)=Turians
• Iapetus(Craftsmanship)=Quarians
• Hyperion is probably humanity
• Oceanus(oceans)=Hanar
• Mnemosyne(memory)=Drell
• Rhea(mountains)=Krogan or perhaps Elcor

 

 

Cool.

[DarthLaxian]

Really? If that ship is carrying the asari, I wouldn't complain.

 

Why do you hate them so much? I'd really like to know!

 

Also: Why wouldn't this work (if they start early enough and have LIED to Shepard to keep this from him and to use him as a pawn, by publicly saying that they don't believe in the Reapers etc...if they started making these things directly after ME1 (when they've just seen what ONE Reaper can do and probably don't want to think about facing an armada of them!), then it's easily possible (look at the Alliance and that Crucible - they've build something that's the size of a dreadnought on short notice (by working around the clock and employing any help possible!)...the secrecy is taken care of by letting SPECTRES doing the recruiting and not letting anybody leave the building site (the guys building those ships might also be the crew (while the passengers would be recruited while the fabrication of the ships is already in progress!), so they would be very glad to be given this chance to survive)

[Vortex13]

Also: Why wouldn't this work (if they start early enough and have LIED to Shepard to keep this from him and to use him as a pawn, by publicly saying that they don't believe in the Reapers etc...if they started making these things directly after ME1 (when they've just seen what ONE Reaper can do and probably don't want to think about facing an armada of them!), then it's easily possible (look at the Alliance and that Crucible - they've build something that's the size of a dreadnought on short notice (by working around the clock and employing any help possible!)...the secrecy is taken care of by letting SPECTRES doing the recruiting and not letting anybody leave the building site (the guys building those ships might also be the crew (while the passengers would be recruited while the fabrication of the ships is already in progress!), so they would be very glad to be given this chance to survive)

 

 

The problem I have with such a theory, is that if the Council did indeed take Shepard seriously, and they put forth the effort and resources to construct a contingency plan, using never before seen technology, then why did they not inform their militaries to prepare as well?

 

By the start of ME 3 the entirety of the Milky Way's military is caught with it's pants down when the Reapers show up. If the Council believed Shepard enough to build ARKs, why didn't they clue in their admirals and generals to the impending doom approaching?

[SofaJockey]

12 ships? 

We know the antagonists them... 

 

[Monk]

12 ships? 

We know the antagonists them... 

 

 

KITT in a humanoid shell? Sa-weeet.

 

Twelve Arks seems too many still. They could barely get one Crucible together. Can't imagine twelve carrier-class ships. And if they're actually a class larger still. 

[Arcian]

Eh, I think humanity in the Halo setting still has them beat, just barely though.

Humanity in Halo is absolute weaksauce with the exception of the Spartan IIs. Yeah, they're being posthumously jerked off by the Forerunners as their successors, but they have yet to back that up with any real actions.

Meanwhile, a small Covenant fleet could wipe out every single Mass Effect species put together, including the Reapers.

[Ibn_Shisha]

Well, if we're going to go all out based on 1 ship name, I would rather the ships be called:

 

1. Hyperion

2. God's Grove

3. Maui-Covenant

4. Mare Infinitus

5. Lusus

6. Renaissance Vector

7. Qom-Riyadh

8. Tien Shan

9. Hebron

10. Nevermore

11. Sol Draconi Septem

12. Sibiatu's Bitterness

 

(No ship for Pacem!)

[UpUpAway]

I've taken issue with the absurd human dominance in this series for a long time.

It severely ruins the integrity of the setting imo.

 

Well, go find a series written by aliens then and enjoy playing that.  Next you'll all be objecting to them using a human alphabet to write the subtitles and claiming that's projecting human dominance within the series as well.

[Kabooooom]

Humanity in Halo is absolute weaksauce with the exception of the Spartan IIs. Yeah, they're being posthumously jerked off by the Forerunners as their successors, but they have yet to back that up with any real actions.

Meanwhile, a small Covenant fleet could wipe out every single Mass Effect species put together, including the Reapers.

This is true, but I think he was just talking about the emphasis on humanity as inheritors of the Mantle as a "human-centric storyline" which is lame, and I agree with him.

Humanity in Halo was weak sauce though, lol. They are hopelessly out-teched by the Covenant, they won a few battles but all in all the Covenant was doing a system by system extermination of humanity.

By the start of Halo, they just lost Reach, the second most populous planet to Earth, literally practically next door to Earth, and the center of humanities' military industrial complex. They were absolutely screwed.

The ONLY reason humanity wins the human-Covenant war is because of sheer luck. Cortana points this out repeatedly. They happened to find alpha Halo with encoded Forerunner data that they discovered just in the nick of time, then they barely destroyed it without letting the Flood loose, and the actions of that contributed to the Covenant civil war, which decimated their forces and High Charity and bought the Sangheili as allies. Then they got lucky with the Ark situation too.

Then Mendicant Bias sends the Chief to Requiem, but what follows in Halo 4 to 5 is basically a long series of lucky circumstances with a touch of Spartan battle skill thrown in.

[goishen]

I would prefer that the Asari ship be named Destiny's Reach, or something like that. 

 

But if we're going back to the trailer you see a human, salarian, and a krogan on one ship.  Not sure if that's the Tempest or what. 

[Kabooooom]

I would prefer that the Asari ship be named Destiny's Reach, or something like that.

But if we're going back to the trailer you see a human, salarian, and a krogan on one ship. Not sure if that's the Tempest or what.

That bridge scene is the Tempest I think. It's the same bridge design, if I'm not mistaken. It looks weird because they apparently don't use the Normandy's (Turian) design, and the bridge is where the Normandy's cockpit seems to be.

Although I suppose it could be somewhere on the Ark. In the "farewell" trailer, there is a bridge or observation deck or something overlooking Earth with Ryder's dog tags and a family picture, and that scene seems to be on the Ark.

[Dean_the_Young]

For one, humanity wasn't poor, they probably had the highest per-capita income, their industry was booming and trade deals were prosperous and everyone wanted to make deals with the humans. They might not have had the biggest economy in terms of numbers, but they had a strong economy.

 

Kind of how Norway has 170% of the UK's GDP/capita and no national debt, instead they got future emergency and investment funds. They arn't a big economy, but they are a strong one.

 

Remind me how many carrier groups Norway has?

 

Laughability of the idea that humanity- a species with less than 50 years of adoption of ME tech- having a higher per-capita income than the othe races with centuries or millenia of Mass Effect adoption aside, when it comes to strategic production, aggregate counts. Total money, not money per person, buys ships, shipyards, and an industrial bases needed.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Well, go find a series written by aliens then and enjoy playing that. Next you'll all be objecting to them using a human alphabet to write the subtitles and claiming that's projecting human dominance within the series as well.

Maybe I will!

Seriously though what makes you think that i'll take issue with subtitles? That would be silly.

Listen man. I want our advancement on the galactic stage to take place within reason. There are alien races that have been on the galactic stage for far, far longer than us and are actually superior to us in many ways. The idea of us catching up to or even surpassing them in a very short time and for no discernable reason whatsoever is absolutely ridiculous to me.

Is it really so wrong to want BioWare to put just a little more thought into this wonderful universe that they've created?

[Kabooooom]

Maybe I will!

Seriously though what makes you think that i'll take issue with subtitles? That would be silly.

Listen man. I want our advancement on the galactic stage to take place within reason. There are alien races that have been on the galactic stage for far, far longer than us and are actually superior to us in many ways. The idea of us catching up to or even surpassing them in a very short time and for no discernable reason whatsoever is absolutely ridiculous to me.

Is it really so wrong to want BioWare to put just a little more thought into this wonderful universe that they've created?

I basically agree with you, except I have no problem with us catching up to them because technology is more or less shared between species in Mass Effect. In a situation like that, we could literally advanced several thousand years in technology practically overnight, as it was literally handed to us. All it would take is a relative understanding of it and being taught how to build more ourselves, then the infrastructure follows.

And I don't even object that much to the infrastructure exploding in the decades after first contact either - to a degree. We know from the lore of mass effect that corporations are god, and money in the galactic market is vast. Humanity also found themselves at a strategically opportune crossroads - they had the location, the motive, and with support of the galactic community they had the means to colonize the Attican Traverse. Which is more or less handed to them by the Council over the Batarians. Humanity had massive favoritism, perhaps due to the perception that we were victimized in the First Contact War. Hell, the Council even gave us a colony world in the Serpent Nebula, right next to the Citadel, that they were saving to hold as a political card over the heads of every other species in the galaxy for millennia (presumably). All of that right there is perfect ingredients for a population explosion and an exponential economic boon.

So what I object to is not that humanity could feasibly compete with other well established species in the galaxy, but the timeframe in which we do. Thirty years is WAY too short and unrealistic. Actually, the entire Mass Effect timeline feels massively shortened.

[UpUpAway]

Maybe I will!

Seriously though what makes you think that i'll take issue with subtitles? That would be silly.

Listen man. I want our advancement on the galactic stage to take place within reason. There are alien races that have been on the galactic stage for far, far longer than us and are actually superior to us in many ways. The idea of us catching up to or even surpassing them in a very short time and for no discernable reason whatsoever is absolutely ridiculous to me.

Is it really so wrong to want BioWare to put just a little more thought into this wonderful universe that they've created?

 

Yes, it would be silly... just as silly as taking exception to 1 ARK ship being named after a Greek mythological character headed to a Galaxy named after another Greek mythological character.  Works of fiction borrow names from our human histories all the time... that doesn't make the story inherently human-centric or about human dominance.  We're all human and they want us as humans from various backgrounds to feel somewhat connected to that universe they've created.  They don't want to make it completely alien.  IDK, maybe it's a generational thing, but I really like it when literature draws on history or on old literature for inspiration... and I don't automatically go pulling out the "human-centric" card when I just see something named after something from our human past.

 

BTW, I'm not saying that there weren't elements of human dominance in the Mass Effect Trilogy... there were (a question of human dominance on the council was, after all, part of the plot).  Still, going on about it in ME:A because we spot 1 name of 1 ARK as having a human origin is just "silly" at this point in time (IMO, of course)... and that's why I brought up something even sillier... just to point out how silly I think it is.

[Kabooooom]

I don't have a problem with the story being being predominantly about human colonization and peripherally about colonization of the other Milky Way species - after all, we are human and I give significantly less fucks about whether or not another species will succeed in this endeavor to be honest.

The only thing I really object to is the "humans are special trope". Like if we go to Andromeda and find that the Remnant are really the descendants of ancient humans, or that they choose us to inherit their legacy, or that humans "genetic diversity" and super interesting badassness is what caught the Reapers special attention - for example.

Luckily, I do think Bioware is more creative than that as a whole. Then again, Mass Effect 2's overarching story was a thing, so maybe not.

[Shadow Recon117]

I don't have a problem with the story being being predominantly about human colonization and peripherally about colonization of the other Milky Way species - after all, we are human and I give significantly less fucks about whether or not another species will succeed in this endeavor to be honest.

The only thing I really object to is the "humans are special trope". Like if we go to Andromeda and find that the Remnant are really the descendants of ancient humans, or that they choose us to inherit their legacy, or that humans "genetic diversity" and super interesting badassness is what caught the Reapers special attention - for example.

Luckily, I do think Bioware is more creative than that as a whole. Then again, Mass Effect 2's overarching story was a thing, so maybe not.

 

I don't think Bioware will go full Halo, but hey I could be wrong.

[Kabooooom]

I don't think Bioware will go full Halo, but hey I could be wrong.

Neither do I. Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting Andromeda's story to be unbelievably amazing or anything, but that's not why I love mass effect in the first place. I'm expecting the game to kick major ass, but I'm sure there will be some annoying plot elements thrown in there.

Especially with Walter's love of Cerberus and that leak about the aliens dropping from the (hopefully placeholder) Cerberus shuttles. I swear there is only one thing that could make me think twice about buying this game, and it is Cerberus having any major role in the story.

[Shadow Recon117]

Neither do I. Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting Andromeda's story to be unbelievably amazing or anything, but that's not why I love mass effect in the first place. I'm expecting the game to kick major ass, but I'm sure there will be some annoying plot elements thrown in there.

Especially with Walter's love of Cerberus and that leak about the aliens dropping from the (hopefully placeholder) Cerberus shuttles. I swear there is only one thing that could make me think twice about buying this game, and it is Cerberus having any major role in the story.

 

wait, what?

[Kabooooom]

wait, what?

I'm sorry if I'm about to ruin your day .

https://www.reddit.c...ay_information/

I really think it is a placeholder though if it's legit. Bioware can't be that unoriginal. I mean I know some people have a hard on for Cerberus, but still, it strains believability.

[Shadow Recon117]

I'm sorry if I'm about to ruin your day .

https://www.reddit.c...ay_information/

I really think it is a placeholder though if it's legit. Bioware can't be that unoriginal. I mean I know some people have a hard on for Cerberus, but still, it strains believability.

 

Thanks for the link. Yea seems like the Cerberus stuff is just placeholder.

[SKAR]

12 ships?
We know the antagonists them...

what?