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[Bayonet Hipshot]

I am curious what would happen if both of them were to fight each other to the death. 

 

Solas is a powerful mage, especially after Trespasser. However, Cassandra is a good Seeker and capable warrior.

 

Recall that while all the Qunari who faced Solas did get turned into petrified statues, they did not have a Templar or a Seeker in their group when facing Solas. Heck they did not even bring Magebane with them which was pretty stupid of them.

 

So I guess what I am wondering is can Cassandra shut Solas down using something like Spell Purge or Silence or Holy Smite or will she get turned into a petrified statue ? Also, can she dispel the petrify effect Solas does or is that beyond her ability ?

 

Thoughts & comments are welcome.

[Totally Not a Poodle]

Probably beyond her ability. A Templar or Seeker might stand a better chance against him than most, but I still think they would fail in defeating him.

 

The magic that Templars and Seekers are trained to fight against has been diluted to fighting against the common magic you would find among human populations, such as Tevinter. Solas is one of the Elves to have lived before the veil went up. Naturally, his magic is going to be more powerful and more... unknown. His capabilities are a complete unknown. For example, the petrification he did on those Qunari that went after him. He didn't even need to wave a finger and the effect was instantaneous. Templars and Seekers must be prepared for a spell in order to fight it. How can you be prepared for something like that?

 

I think, it won't be a test of strength in battling Solas but a test of mind. In order to beat him, we will need to appeal to his better nature and show him the evidence that this world does not need to be destroyed. A hard gamble.

 

However, depending on the relationship between the two, he could wish to fight honourably against her. A fair fight. I doubt he would risk it though.

[Ghost Gal]

After Trespasser, Solas could turn Cassandra into a status faster than she can summon the energy to cast Spell Purge.

 

Remember the scene with the Vidasala? She started to lift her spear while his back was turned, his eyes glowed, and she turned to stone before the spear even left her hand? Yeah, that's what would happen to Cassandra until she got a serious power boost or he got a serious power downgrade.

 

Now, that said, whether he'd go through with it is another matter. I don't personally see him just irreversibly killing his old friend out of hand. (I know he's ruthless, but after his time in Inquisition hopefully not heartless. Not "kill Felassan for failing to retrieve the Eluvian password" heartless anymore.) I can almost see him letting her get in a few hits before using his magic to knock her out, or just petrify her until he's able to leave and release her once she's no longer able to follow him, or something.

 

But either way, with his current state of power I don't think Cassandra would have a chance.

[Gervaise]

There are two Seeker powers that could potentially be used against Solas.  

 

The first is the ability to set the lyrium within a person's blood aflame.    Cassandra claims to be able to do this although we see no evidence of it in the game.   I assume the person would have to be using lyrium to augment their powers for it work.    I don't think Solas needs to do this since absorbing the power of Mythal but if the "magic" in the blood of all elves is related to lyrium then it is possible she could at least slow him down if not kill him outright with this power.

 

The second ability is one that Cassandra does not claim to have and she states is very rare.    That is the ability to bend someone to your will to so great an extent that you can actually kill then.    Cassandra only claims the ability to paralyse.     She says this works against both Templars and mages and does not require the use of lyrium but is purely down to your force of will.    So is it possible that a Seeker with a strong enough willpower could at least paralyse Solas?

 

A third aspect to consider is the relationship of spirits to Seekers and how they come by their abilities in the first place.    Is the Seeker actually doing these things or is it their faith spirit acting on their thoughts?       It is noticeable that back in the first Inquistiion, Ameridan seemed to have a familiar spirit that advised him.   It is only briefly referred to but it would make sense considering the majority of the time he was going after demons, abominations and maleficarum that likely included blood mages and so would need some form of protection against their mind control.    Seekers are also immune to possession and blood magic mind control and I wonder if it is their friendly faith spirit that gives this.    

 

Faith spirits and hope spirits (which I think we have yet to encounter) are said to be the most powerful and the main trick is getting them to take an interest in you and want to aid you.   When going up against a person who means to destroy the world to achieve his aims and seems to have potential power far in access of normal mortals, you would need a huge amount of faith (in yourself if nothing else) and ability to inspire hope in your followers.      So whether it was Cassandra or someone else, likely the key to confronting Solas would be to have a powerful faith or hope (or both) spirit on your side.

[vertigomez]

Depends. Is he intent on lecturing you about how Ur Doin It Wrong? If sufficiently distracted by his own spiel, she may be able to knock him over the head without him noticing.

If not, she gets gorgon'd.

[Melyanna]

I always thought Solas was meant to look like he has godlike powers in the ending of Trespasser, so I think he would be too powerful for Cassandra, unless she had a major boost (like the Inquisitor with the mark).

But I like the comment above: the idea of Cassandra punching Solas while he's busy lecturing is fun.

[Xerrai]

I don't know for sure, I guess it would really depend on who would get the first hit. How big is this cage again?

 

Because in close quarter combat, I think Cassandra would just maul his a** before he could do anything. But otherwise, Solas will just blink and turn her into stone before she got close.

[Ghost Gal]

Solas can turn people to stone with a thought.

 

He could turn her to stone faster than she could lift her fist to punch his face.

 

Unless he was distracted or she really played off his desire not to kill his old ally, in a one-on-one fair fight where both sides are prepared and paying attention to the other she couldn't get so much as one hit in. Not unless he got a significant power reduction or she got a significant power boost.

[Lazarillo]

I don't know that the whole "flaming blood-lyrium" would be useful against Solas anyway. It is against Templars because Templars ingest the stuff. But an ancient Elf probably has magic from some other source, and thus would be immune to it, even if she could use it to do serious harm (which she states she can't anyway). As for the medusa-blink, it is not impossible that there are limitations on it, and that someone who was naturally resistant to magic (like Cassandra), might not be as simple to transform (although one would think the Viddasala, being as her role involved suppressing magic, would not go into a fight without having similar advantages...though on the other hand, Qunari are very suspicious of such things...so mabe...).

That all said, in a one-on-one sense, Solas commands a power that seems quite on a different level from anything anyone in Thedas has likely seen in thousands of years. I think it's safe to say that no one could match him currently mano-a-mano. But at the same time, there's no reason to assume that anything he can do is "off limits" to others...he's a very powerful mage with knowledge and experience on his side, but that doesn't mean someone couldn't match him or even surpass him in time. Cassandra won't be doing it in the near-future, though.

[PapaCharlie9]

Are you talking purely about game mechanics, or the characters in the story? If the latter, a Seeker should be able to shut down any mage, with sufficient preparation, and with other Templars to help. As I understand it, Templars overwhelm a single mage with force of numbers and a lot of lyrium.

But Trespasser Solas isn't any mage. He's part Evanuris too. So who knows? He's still mortal, as far as we know, and just one Knockout Bomb would probably be enough to take him out. Even a strong cup of tea might work.

For game mechanics, Rift Mage would win every time. Every Veilstrike and PotA hurts the Templar's DPS, since they essentially can't do anything for those durations. Stonefist with the stagger upgrade can come pretty close to stagger locking a Templar. And if the Rift Mage has the Ring of Doubt, forget about it, since the Templar has to close to melee range to do damage. Even Fade Step is going to make any melee difficult.

Swap Blackwall for Cass and I think it's a more even match. Any kind of anti-stagger/knockdown buff would minimize the Veilstrike/PotA advantage. Champion has those abilities, so would probably have higher effective DPS. Still going to be difficult with Ring of Doubt, though, and Rift Mage being able to attack at range.

The one ace up the sleeve of a warrior is Grappling Chain/Give Them The Boot. If a warrior can land one of those while the mage is not invisible, they can get in some high damage hits before the mage recovers. Grappling Chain, then Wrath of Heaven, then Spell Purge might be enough for Cass to take Solas out, though it would take 3 or 4 iterations.

[Beerfish]

Solas is about 3 pay grades higher than Cassandra....unfortunately.

[thats1evildude]

I think Robot Chicken had a skit about this.

 

 

Just to be clear, Cassandra is the guy in the wheelchair.