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[Jallard]

I was just playing in silver and we were about to start when someone entered the lobby and asked who was hosting this game. I told him,  I guess I am....jallard. He left the lobby immediately. I said to myself: "well, that was insulting!?!"

 

So, I assume with him it was all about winning, but I could be dead wrong. Maybe he has played with me before and doesn't like my play style. What's was funny those of us who stayed and entered the game died during the seventh wave.

 

Still, I am reminded of this quote that I read:

 

“For decades, psychologists have noted an irony in elite athletic competition: If you set aside the happy people who win gold and look only at the people who come in second and third, it's the men and women with bronze medals who invariably look happier than the athletes who won silver.

 

Winning is an outcome. However, when people become obsessed with outcomes, they can lose sight of the journey, lose sight of who they are and how they got there, lose appreciation for the value of people who don't win.”

 

My youngest stepson was like that. He was obsessed.  He had to win one hundred percent of the time--even if it meant cheating.

 

For me it comes from the love of the game. When I played baseball and fast pitch softball in my younger days. It was awfully nice to win, but for me it was the love of the game--win or lose. If you gave it your best that is all that matters. Ah, but I digress. 

[ClydeInTheShell]

Yes.

 

Now get in the hack while I "draw aggro".

[yrael]

Games are about having fun. Winning is fun.

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

If you're on pc I can give you some pointers.

[Dalakaar]

I have different goals to the game now that I've played it for years.

 

What I find fun, is not winning. In fact with my potato connection I very often DC before the game finishes anyways.

 

It varies which kit, and which mood I am in, what these goals are.

 

For instance, I'm on Kroguard, my goal is to put my head through as many toasters as possible, and also to send as many mooks flying over things as possible.

 

If I'm on my juggernaut I'll try to actively protect pugs and get some team-dynamics going. Tanking, reviving, etc. I can do damage, and occasionally top-score, but the score isn't my priority.

 

Volus Mercsent with Adas, I play him a bit more utilitarian. Healer/CC essentially.

 

If I'm on my Paladin? Shieldbashing swarmers and dancing with banshees/brutes/everything is fun. I love getting away with absolute madness in C.Q.C.

 

***

 

People leaving many be harmless, I leave most hosts that have RU/RUS in their name, and I used to have a self-made "Blacklist" which included a few (Host Issues) members. I don't blame the ruskies, but their potatoes and my potato dun mix well.

...#distancecauseslag

[yrael]

What I find fun, is not winning. In fact with my potato connection I very often DC before the game finishes anyways.

I'm fine with wiping if I'm having fun with friends. But with pugs, it usually means someone's not carrying their weight and shouldn't be on gold, which I find distinctly Not Fun.

[Jallard]

Games are about having fun. Winning is fun.

 

Yes, but sometimes losing can be just as fun. Then again, I have never been that competitive. It's all about the game.

[Kinom001]

Winning's only everything if there's cash involved. Hard, spendable dinero. Otherwise, not really. I'd rather enjoy myself.

[Jallard]

I have different goals to the game now that I've played it for years.

 

What I find fun, is not winning. In fact with my potato connection I very often DC before the game finishes anyways.

 

It varies which kit, and which mood I am in, what these goals are.

 

For instance, I'm on Kroguard, my goal is to put my head through as many toasters as possible, and also to send as many mooks flying over things as possible.

 

If I'm on my juggernaut I'll try to actively protect pugs and get some team-dynamics going. Tanking, reviving, etc. I can do damage, and occasionally top-score, but the score isn't my priority.

 

Volus Mercsent with Adas, I play him a bit more utilitarian. Healer/CC essentially.

 

If I'm on my Paladin? Shieldbashing swarmers and dancing with banshees/brutes/everything is fun. I love getting away with absolute madness in C.Q.C.

 

***

 

People leaving many be harmless, I leave most hosts that have RU/RUS in their name, and I used to have a self-made "Blacklist" which included a few (Host Issues) members. I don't blame the ruskies, but their potatoes and my potato dun mix well.

...#distancecauseslag

 

I played two games back-to-back earlier in the day, with the same players, in which we were virtually unstoppable as a team. Sometimes the team just clicks. I had never played with these guys before.

[Dalakaar]

I'm fine with wiping if I'm having fun with friends. But with pugs, it usually means someone's not carrying their weight and shouldn't be on gold, which I find distinctly Not Fun.

I noticed the same thing and that led to another realization, at least in my personal experience.

 

Gold has more people to carry than Platinum.

 

Dead serious.

 

Gold also has waaay more scoremongers and mic-divas and just plain harassment than Plat.

 

On Platinum, I have found the typical pug behaviour to be noticeably better than Gold.

 

I suspect the reason for that is that Gold breeds lone wolves who can get away with soloing it because of the relative difficulty of Gold. (Ie, not that terribly difficult in the grand scheme of things.)

 

Platinum however, that changes things. It is significantly harder to solo Platinum than it is Gold. Platinum breeds teamwork, simply because you actually have to work as a team to enjoy success. If the lone AIU with the reegar across the map is soloing Plat? Good on em. Let em do their thing. The only problem I'd have then is if they feel too good to stand in the hack circle I'll alt tab or alt-f4. Although complete tangent; most if not all of the AIU's I've been playing with have been using non-standard shotguns (Even the claymore and crusader showed up in my killfeed in the past week) and are very helpful. Damned odd feeling lol.

 

And don't get me wrong, I'm speaking in ratios and stereotypes more than black/white. Platinum has it's share of diva and scoremongers, but I found on Gold they are much more... prevalent.

 

Anyways, the point of my saying the above, is I have to carry people less on Plat than I do on Gold. And given my rather lengthy experience with the game, I've stopped worrying about currying. The only things I don't tolerate is staying out of the drone/hack. I'd rather they let me do the devices and definitely let me carry the pizza cause I can run it.

 

It hit me one day when I realized, if I'm willing to start the match with only one other person (the host) then I don't care what warm bodies get GIP'd into the game. If that's the case, then really I don't have the right to complain who shows up. And if the other person looks competent I'll start a match with just a duo-pug.

 

Anyways... that's longer than expected.

[Dalakaar]

I played two games back-to-back earlier in the day, with the same players, in which we were virtually unstoppable as a team. Sometimes the team just clicks. I had never played with these guys before.

On PC we're mostly mute, that means 0 communication.

 

I love it when I work well with someone/a team despite a complete lack of verbal communication.

 

Still remember a plat duo between me(Paladin) and the host, a Slayer. We ran through Vancouver like a hot knife in butter. Friend requests were sent and accepted after that match. To this date I still have never talked to the guy/girl/howeveritgenderidentifiesitself.

[0m3ga_R3dd]

Drugs make game fun.

[Jallard]

If you're on pc I can give you some pointers.

 

I am on PC. I was playing earlier today on silver and we were at the reactor playing against the Collector, I believe. I got killed and was out of  medigel. But, while I was lying there my weapon, the Adas, continued to fire until the end of the game. Then during the following two games I could hear every sound but my own weapon. It was if it were on silent. So, I closed out of the game, came back in and everything was back to normal. You got to love DELL XPS  computers. I could only upgrade the stupid video card to a GeForce GTX 750. It;s a piece of crap. But, I cannot afford a new one.

[Salarian Master Race]

Yes, but sometimes losing can be just as fun. Then again, I have never been that competitive. It's all about the game.

 

Losing is only fun if I'm the reason we lost

[Dalakaar]

Losing is only fun if I'm the reason we lost

Seems relevant somehow.

[Jallard]

Losing is only fun if I'm the reason we lost

 

Like I said in an earlier reply I am not that competitive. Still, I like to win but it isn't the end all do all for me. My non competitiveness even showed up in the workplace throughout my life. I was always there giving my all... my 110%....but neither was I a brownnoser or did I play the game of in-house politics. I relied solely upon my work ethic and while more and more work was piled upon me, my coworkers were passing me by up the ladder. I don't know if that universal, but it is the American way.

[Jallard]

Drugs make game fun.

 

I was a Hippie in the sixties and the seventies, but I gave it up for health reasons.

[yrael]

Like I said in an earlier reply I am not that competitive. Still, I like to win but it isn't the end all do all for me. My non competitiveness even showed up in the workplace throughout my life. I was always there giving my all... my 110%....but neither was I a brownnoser or did I play the game of in-house politics. I relied solely upon my work ethic and while more and more work was piled upon me, my coworkers were passing me by up the ladder. I don't know if that universal, but it is the American way.

Not really. The American Way is climbing your way to the top and stepping on everyone along the way. That is pretty much the basis for our country, man.

 

OT: In all seriousness, I think it's silly to be all "why don't other people care more about the journey than the destination like I do, it's so competitive." Different people play for different reasons. A lot of us would rather win than lose, and sometimes losing prevents us from accomplishing certain goals, especially for challenge points. It also means wasting consumables, which can be aggravating if you're low on them. Losing is often just circumstantially fun--like I said, I don't mind it when it happens in an otherwise enjoyable match. Acting vaguely superior about your wholesome enjoyment just invites trolling. I mean, even the thread title is kind of accusatory and disapproving. Just saying.

 

EDIT: Unless you're solely talking about people scorewhoring/getting upset about being outclassed, in which case I think that's also kind of defensible because letting down the team can be pretty unfun, too. When I score waaaaaay lower than the rest of the team, it's disheartening. So once again, "losing" isn't ideal.

[Jallard]

Seems relevant somehow.

 

I laughed until I had tears in my eyes.  Been there....done it.....and bought the t-shirt!

[Jallard]

Not really. The American Way is climbing your way to the top and stepping on everyone along the way. That is pretty much the basis for our country, man.

 

OT: In all seriousness, I think it's silly to be all "why don't other people care more about the journey than the destination like I do, it's so competitive." Different people play for different reasons. A lot of us would rather win than lose, and sometimes losing prevents us from accomplishing certain goals, especially for challenge points. It also means wasting consumables, which can be aggravating if you're low on them. Losing is often just circumstantially fun--like I said, I don't mind it when it happens in an otherwise enjoyable match. Acting vaguely superior about your wholesome enjoyment just invites trolling. I mean, even the thread title is kind of accusatory and disapproving. Just saying.

 

EDIT: Unless you're solely talking about people scorewhoring/getting upset about being outclassed, in which case I think that's also kind of defensible because letting down the team can be pretty unfun, too. When I score waaaaaay lower than the rest of the team, it's disheartening. So once again, "losing" isn't ideal.

 

There are times when on certain maps that I am at the top of the list in scoring, then there are times, when I am in the middle, while still other times when I am either at the bottom of the list or dead in the red. Being out classed doesn't bother me.  It's old hat. So, please don't assume anything. As I stated earlier I like to win too, but I am not going to lose sleep over it if I lose. I have only been playing ME3 multiplayer steadily for a couple of weeks now. So, I am a new. Although several years ago when ME 3 first came out I tried it, but never stuck to it back then. Besides, I am no spring chicken. I have been around for 69 years and I have seen it all. Trust me?!?

[Onewomanarmy]

I think it's easy to forget to have fun sometimes, at least for my own regards. I play the game for fun mostly but then suddenly I remember how badly I want to get scores, get better like the rest and the competitiveness in me takes over and I forget why I'm really there, which is to have fun. The worst part is, that it does me zero good to go score hunting lol, I end up doing crappy anyway

[Sentinel2010]

Even with equally excellent teamwork, winning is always better.

[Dalakaar]

Even with equally excellent teamwork, winning is always better.

I'd rather have ten seconds of true teamwork in a match than win it.

 

And note, that doesn't preclude your argument, but it might expand on it. It's not mutually exclusive.

[Alfonsedode]

I read "Is whinning ...."

It would be more accurate eventually

[yrael]

There are times when on certain maps that I am at the top of the list in scoring, then there are times, when I am in the middle, while still other times when I am either at the bottom of the list or dead in the red. Being out classed doesn't bother me.  It's old hat. So, please don't assume anything. As I stated earlier I like to win too, but I am not going to lose sleep over it if I lose. I have only been playing ME3 multiplayer steadily for a couple of weeks now. So, I am a new. Although several years ago when ME 3 first came out I tried it, but never stuck to it back then. Besides, I am no spring chicken. I have been around for 69 years and I have seen it all. Trust me?!?

...What am I assuming, exactly? That you're not good at understanding perspectives that aren't your own? Because this post is also kind of indicative of that.

 

Plus, you just admitted you're relatively new to this but then tried to cite your age as evidence that you know what you're talking about, which... doesn't make sense? But okay, buddy. Clearly you're an authority on the topic.