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[Chealec]

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Let me guess, you are British and you voted against leaving the EU, and now (boohoo) you lost your faith in democracy?...

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I am British, I did vote against leaving the EU - but I never had much faith in democracy, it's just the least bad option ("it's the worst form of government apart from all the others that have been tried"); if it actually goes through, and there's still a slim possibility it won't, then that would amount to a massive change in the governance and economics of this country based on the opinion of ~34% of the electorate, some of which, it now seems, didn't actually realise the consequences or believed the Brexit rhetoric and are now regretting their decisions.

 

In most democracies, to act on vote this important (though technically, this was a non-legally binding public referendum), would probably require a 2/3s majority (with a minimum required turn-out) not a 52/48 split with a 72% turn-out.

 

When Scotland had an independence referendum recently it was deemed important enough to spend 6 months explaining the situation, creating a several thousand page analysis document and lowering the voting age to 16 to give the people who'd have to live with the consequences longest a voice.

 

This EU referendum basically had 10 weeks of public debate filled with misinformation and obfuscation - but the Brexit camp better understood the "great British public", had better pithy slogans ("We want our country back", "Make June 23rd Independence Day") and were backed by big red-top tabloids (Rupert Murdoch, owner of one of those tabloids, has influence in Downing Street but not in Brussels - so he wanted out)... so the turkeys voted for Christmas.

 

 

That's the last I'm going to say on the subject though, on this forum - it's not the place for it.

[Xilizhra]

In fact - having a character - gay or straight ACTUALLY be promiscuous would be something brand new for Bioware... and players would lose their minds to find their X-mance was unfaithful.  It would be glorious.

That's actually not new; they tried it with Jacob.

[Laughing_Man]

I am British, I did vote against leaving the EU - but I never had much faith in democracy, it's just the least bad option

 

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Well, I am not British, I don't claim to understand all the long term implications of either choice, but the thing about Democracy being the best available option (or least bad if you insist) is still true even after this referendum.

 

I also think that both sides had valid concerns, and that the sense of doom and entitlement from the losing side is rather surprising.

You don't get to play the game like everyone and then throw a tantrum and denounce the game after you lose.

 

The British public would have been influenced by this decision in its entirety, and therefore the entire public is allowed to vote on the subject.

The idea that only the "enlightened few" should be able to vote (and decide who the enlightened are of course), is incredibly entitled and frankly disgusting.

 

 

In any case, all this was only tangentially related to my post, and I'm surprised to see a large post aimed at a single line.

[CronoDragoon]

I believe that the choice to go for the sexuality related daddy issues loyalty quest, had nothing to do with wanting to show a different aspect of Tavinter culture, and everything to do with using the game to preach about homosexuality.

 

And you'd be wrong about that since the writer has specifically stated otherwise. At this point attempting to portray the loyalty quest as about nothing but homosexuality is straight-up delusion. It's bringing a pre-existing bias about this sort of content (which I know you have, since I've seen your posts in other threads whenever a social issue is discussed).

 

You also seem bizarrely oblivious to the fact that Dorian's larger stance on Tevinter culture is itself a form of political preaching, especially since it deals with actual freaking politics. You're uncomfortable with the game discussing homosexuality in any fashion, it seems, and that's an untenable viewpoint from which to argue.

[AlanC9]

You should have added a "drops mic" to that.

[AlanC9]

The idea that only the "enlightened few" should be able to vote (and decide who the enlightened are of course), is incredibly entitled and frankly disgusting.

Good thing nobody here took that position, then.

[AlanC9]

I think its not quite the same plot because there's more of a sense that a compromise could be found there. If Dorian is straight then there's always the possibility that he'll run into a nice Mage girl with a decent blood line who he's OK with marrying, whereas Dorian being gay means that any marriage would be unacceptable to him.

Yeah, that's why I thought that it would work better with a female Dorian. A woman refusing to prostitute herself that way at all is a trope, which just isn't the case for men.

[Medhia_Nox]

That's actually not new; they tried it with Jacob.

 

Jacob cheats on the player?

[Draining Dragon]

Jacob cheats on the player?

If FemShep romances Jacob in ME2, he will cheat on her with Dr. Cole in ME3.

[Hazegurl]

Lots of Jacobmancers raged over that. lol!!

 

But anyway, I don't consider a promiscuous person as being the same as unfaithful. All it means is that they slept with a lot of people.  Jacob was hardly promiscuous, he's just a cheater.

[KaiserShep]

I mentioned above: "conversion therapy" was raised as a hot topic at some point in the recent past in the US.
Seems to me that Dorian's "loyalty quest" was a sock puppet used to raise this issue and preach about it.
 
The magic factor is just the flavor and the excuse to insert it into the setting.

I dunno. Reparative therapy is pretty insidious, and makes for a good analogue in a fiction that includes something like blood magic.

[Grieving Natashina]

Jacob cheats on the player?

Yep. However, Shepard can deck him for it in the Citadel DLC.

[SKAR]

Yep. However, Shepard can deck him for it in the Citadel DLC.

Cool. I'm looking it up. Only black romance and they make him a cheater. A little racist don't you think? Sexy @$$ Shepard and he goes for Brynn? Whatever. N7 operative, Hero of the Citadel, destroyer of the collectors, first human spectre. Doesn't get more sexier than that. I kind of want femshep to be a Ryder romance. What about vice versa?

[Grieving Natashina]

Racist? No. Not well thought out and tacky? Yep. Just my two creds.

[KaiserShep]

Racist? No. Not well thought out and tacky? Yep. Just my two creds.

 

 

I wonder how fans would have reacted if almost everyone moved on after Shepard was put away. Liara with Feron, Miranda with…I dunno…Rupert? Tali with Reegar (if he lived, in which case everyone would make sure he died XD). 

[SKAR]

I wonder how fans would have reacted if almost everyone moved on after Shepard was put away. Liara with Feron, Miranda with…I dunno…Rupert? Tali with Reegar (if he lived, in which case everyone would make sure he died XD).

I would've been pi$$3d. Then again the Reapers came. And I can do to whatever I want. Get me some Diana Allers. Who the bloody hell is Rupert? That's why I like ash. She'd never cheat on me.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Yep. However, Shepard can deck him for it in the Citadel DLC.

That's.. a little messed up, to me. I'm not really comfortable with the idea of offering domestic violence simulators in games. 

[CronoDragoon]

That's.. a little messed up, to me. I'm not really comfortable with the idea of offering domestic violence simulators in games. 

 

They aren't a couple anymore, so it's back to normal violence, no worries.

 

Also, anyone remember that poster who was around during the ME3 endings debacle that went back to his ME2 save to kill Garrus so that he wouldn't eventually hook up with Tali in ME3...because Tali was his primary romance and no one was allowed to romance her even in alternate playthroughs? Good times.

[KaiserShep]

They aren't a couple anymore, so it's back to normal violence, no worries.

 

Also, anyone remember that poster who was around during the ME3 endings debacle that went back to his ME2 save to kill Garrus so that he wouldn't eventually hook up with Tali in ME3...because Tali was his primary romance and no one was allowed to romance her even in alternate playthroughs? Good times.

 

 

I regret not getting into this forum sooner. I always miss the good stuff.

[SKAR]

That's.. a little messed up, to me. I'm not really comfortable with the idea of offering domestic violence simulators in games.

She just slaps him.

[CronoDragoon]

"fond"

 

[grumpymooselion]

That's.. a little messed up, to me. I'm not really comfortable with the idea of offering domestic violence simulators in games. 

 

Honest to goodness, cheating on Shepard just sounds like one of the worst ideas possible, especially a renegade vanguard Shepard.

[Who Knows]

That's.. a little messed up, to me. I'm not really comfortable with the idea of offering domestic violence simulators in games. 

There's other instances of unnecessary violence in Mass Effect as well.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

There's other instances of unnecessary violence in Mass Effect as well.

Yes, but to me some things are just distasteful. It's like if they added an option to rape a character. Domestic violence is, for me, over the line of what's really "okay" for a protagonist choice. I realize people's opinions on this will vary. 

[Who Knows]

Yes, but to me some things are just distasteful. It's like if they added an option to rape a character. Domestic violence is, for me, over the line of what's really "okay" for a protagonist choice. I realize people's opinions on this will vary. 

Fair enough. I'd argue that it's severely less distasteful than the various ways that Shepard can execute people or contribute to the genocide of entire species, but yea.