Some of that wording is a little awkward, though - so I'm not entirely sure what it means.
I know that Alistair was a virgin, but did Cullen and Kaidan also make statements to that effect? That a character doesn't discuss his sexual history doesn't necessarily mean that he doesn't have one.
So it's possible that OP's request might be satisfied by a character who simply doesn't discuss that aspect of his past.
Isn't Kaiden in his late 20s? It's really depressing if he's a virgin.
Isn't Kaiden in his late 20s? It's really depressing if he's a virgin.
He's 32 in ME1.
Isn't Kaiden in his late 20s? It's really depressing if he's a virgin.
Not that I think he is, but why would it be depressing? Maybe he is waiting for the right person or something.
He's not a virgin though. He's apparently bisexual and he had a girlfriend in BAAT.Isn't Kaiden in his late 20s? It's really depressing if he's a virgin.
He's not a virgin though. He's apparently bisexual and he had a girlfriend in BAAT.
No he didn't. He had a crush in BAaT. He and Rhana were never actually a couple.
@SKAR, You can be both bisexual and a virgin.
Kaidan's sexual history is up in the air. We know he isn't promiscuous and that's about it. If Kaidan was romanced by FShep in ME1, in ME2 he mentions going out on a date with another woman. We don't know if he had sex on that date. I suppose one can assume he's a virgin if they like.
@SKAR, You can be both bisexual and a virgin.
Kaidan's sexual history is up in the air. We know he isn't promiscuous and that's about it. If Kaidan was romanced by FShep in ME1, in ME2 he mentions going out on a date with another woman. We don't know if he had sex on that date. I suppose one can assume he's a virgin if they like.
I think he doesn't specify whether it's a man or a woman, he just says it's a doctor on the Citadel in the letter he sends after Horizon.
Fine. That's what I meant. They didn't have sex obviously but he had to of had a companion in his past.No he didn't. He had a crush in BAat. He and Rhana were never actually a couple.
You can leave the bisexual and virgin out of it. Obviously. . Apparently he knows what he's doing when he goes down on femshep. Or male shep. Anyone could be a virgin. Garrus, Tali, even shep. They sure don't make love like they are. Assume what you will but I guess anyone can be a virgin.@SKAR, You can be both bisexual and a virgin.
Kaidan's sexual history is up in the air. We know he isn't promiscuous and that's about it. If Kaidan was romanced by FShep in ME1, in ME2 he mentions going out on a date with another woman. We don't know if he had sex on that date. I suppose one can assume he's a virgin if they like.
You can leave the bisexual and virgin out of it. Obviously. . Apparently he knows what he's doing when he goes down on femshep. Or male shep. Anyone could be a virgin. Garrus, Tali, even shep. They sure don't make love like they are. Assume what you will but I guess anyone can be a virgin.
I only brought it up because you stated that he's bisexual as if to say his bisexuality means he isn't a virgin. Garrus isn't a virgin, he tells Shep about his "reach vs flexibility" moment with a female Turian. Tali probably is one, and Shep is only a virgin if the player roles play him/her as one. As for Kaidan's techniques, it's not like a virgin wouldn't know how to have sex or go down on someone. Ya gotta start somewhere. But no, I don't think Kaidan is a virgin.
I think he doesn't specify whether it's a man or a woman, he just says it's a doctor on the Citadel in the letter he sends after Horizon.
You're right. I just assumed it was a female because Kaidan could only romance FemShep at the time.
Thats all I needed to hear.I only brought it up because you stated that he's bisexual as if to say his bisexuality means he isn't a virgin. Garrus isn't a virgin, he tells Shep about his "reach vs flexibility" moment with a female Turian. Tali probably is one, and Shep is only a virgin if the player roles play him/her as one. As for Kaidan's techniques, it's not like a virgin wouldn't know how to have sex or go down on someone. Ya gotta start somewhere. But no, I don't think Kaidan is a virgin.
You're right. I just assumed it was a female because Kaidan could only romance FemShep at the time.
Not that I think he is, but why would it be depressing? Maybe he is waiting for the right person or something.
Even if he chose to be celibate - and the game doesn't suggest that - it's still really sad (to me, anyway) that he's basically waited for more than a decade to meet someone he can feel a connection with in that way. Of course, the plot doesn't suggest that at all.
I only brought it up because you stated that he's bisexual as if to say his bisexuality means he isn't a virgin. Garrus isn't a virgin, he tells Shep about his "reach vs flexibility" moment with a female Turian. Tali probably is one, and Shep is only a virgin if the player roles play him/her as one. As for Kaidan's techniques, it's not like a virgin wouldn't know how to have sex or go down on someone. Ya gotta start somewhere. But no, I don't think Kaidan is a virgin.
Quarians are a bit of a special case though, since actual intercourse for them is (accepting the nonsense immunology) dangerous in a way that really isn't easy to translate to how we think about things IRL. Our attitudes toward sex and virginity would be a little different if having it was like playing russian roulette.
In Kaidan's sex scene in ME1 it's implied he's had sex with a woman before.
Meer's hidden lines doesn't really prove that Kaidan being bi from the beginning since Meer did voice a FemShep line saying he was a woman. (Tho I have no problem with BroShep being a trans man) Also, ME2's Kaidan could still be faithful to FemShep considering his extreme reactions in ME3.
Neither Liara, Tali, Garrus or Thane had prior sexual experience with a human. They could be considered as a virgin if you want to since you still do a good deal of persuasion to convince them about interspecies relationship.
Meer's hidden lines doesn't really prove that Kaidan being bi from the beginning since Meer did voice a FemShep line saying he was a woman. (Tho I have no problem with BroShep being a trans man) Also, ME2's Kaidan could still be faithful to FemShep considering his extreme reactions in ME3.
Neither Liara, Tali, Garrus or Thane had prior sexual experience with a human. They could be considered as a virgin if you want to since you still do a good deal of persuasion to convince them about interspecies relationship.
Meer did a voice of Shepard saying he *is* a woman, and so that would mean trans woman instead.
Meer's hidden lines doesn't really prove that Kaidan being bi from the beginning since Meer did voice a FemShep line saying he was a woman. (Tho I have no problem with BroShep being a trans man) Also, ME2's Kaidan could still be faithful to FemShep considering his extreme reactions in ME3.
Neither Liara, Tali, Garrus or Thane had prior sexual experience with a human. They could be considered as a virgin if you want to since you still do a good deal of persuasion to convince them about interspecies relationship.
I'm pretty sure those weren't cut lines, but rather that for VO recording reasons Bioware had Hale and Meer read the entire script.
Meer did a voice of Shepard saying he *is* a woman, and so that would mean trans woman instead.
I'm pretty sure those weren't cut lines, but rather that for VO recording reasons Bioware had Hale and Meer read the entire script.
Yea, there's also lines Meer recorded for whats-his-face calling Male Shepard a princess.
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Salarian looks like something is going on. *Giggity*
Also lines were recorded for a lesbian romance with Ashley that were cut.Yea, there's also lines Meer recorded for whats-his-face calling Male Shepard a princess.
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Still, if we're going this route: Dorian's storyline could easily have been a heterosexual vanilla story about his parents using Blood Magic to change him because he falls in love with/marries a girl who would destroy his family's status in Tevinter. It might not be a subtle story, but the overarching point of Dorian's storyline was that he put love/himself above his family's obsessive interest in good breeding and political ties.
I don't think it could have, because the Dorian storyline doesn't stand alone in the context of the DAI universe. It stands in context of IRL as well. 'Forbidden love because of class' themes have a universal applicability regardless of orientation- 'shock therapy', 'change who I am', and 'rejected because I wouldn't conform to sexual norms' doesn't. Particularly with the very recent and public shift of acceptance of homosexuality in western cultures, a part of which did have a root in response to disgust with 'cure the gay' efforts that read more as mental trauma (akin to blood magic) than anything else.
Thirty, fourty years ago you might have been able to have a 'straight' equivalent if Dorian was, say, in love with an elven slave. Then you could have metaphorical parallels to inter-racial relationships and American cultural contexts. But that same story wouldn't resonate now because inter-racial relationships are normalized, and thus unexceptional. Same with inter-class relationships. Dorian being blood-magiced because he dared to date outside his social strata wouldn't resonate with an audience who doesn't identify with such because they expect/accept such things. He'd get sympathy, but people wouldn't identity with it. People face social disfavor for dating outside their social group- but parents don't take their kids to traumatizing conditioning programs to 'fix' them.
Dorian's story could have been changed to be more universal- but I don't think it was. Despite some efforts to make homosexuality irrelevant in the DA universe, Dorian's story really only works with the impact it has because homosexuality is quite relevant to the audience outside of the DA universe. If Dorian wasn't gay, the same audience wouldn't react the same way.
It's been a while since I've played it, but does Dorian's personal quest at any point actually make a big deal about the fact that he's gay? As I remember it, it really came down to disobedience messing with his family's ambitions.
It's not that he's gay... but the father also doesn't make emphasis on roles and responsibilities either.
Dorian's father's motivations doen't actually factor into the core dialogues about it much. Even in the discussion with Cole and other companions, the subject barely comes up compared to how Dorian feels- and Dorian's feels are written in much more ambiguous terms that do correlate more to homosexuality being the issue than his family's ambitions.
Bioware is so behind on this topic it's mind blowing... the world is exploding with people not caring about all kinds of things and they're stuck in the past... I don't think they realize quite how dated they are in many respects if observed from the outside.
They have one option, which is the only option anyone ever has, which is to express what they actually care about and believe in... and hope people resonate with it.
So there is a game called Technomancer, and the only same sex option in the game makes note of how he 'doesn't spend his nights alone wink wink'. Of course 
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