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[Medhia_Nox]

Bioware is so behind on this topic it's mind blowing... the world is exploding with people not caring about all kinds of things and they're stuck in the past... I don't think they realize quite how dated they are in many respects if observed from the outside.

 

They have one option, which is the only option anyone ever has, which is to express what they actually care about and believe in... and hope people resonate with it.

 

What?  

 

Is there another video game company that goes out of its way to provide this kind of content to every game they make?  

I find them to be at the forefront of LGBT topics in video games.

[Milana]

So there is a game called Technomancer, and the only same sex option in the game makes note of how he 'doesn't spend his nights alone wink wink'. Of course

Hmm he mentions he's had flings yes, so have female companions for that matter,but he still isnt an overpromiscuous type or smth like that.

 

He just says that hes never had serious relationship, not like he doesnt want he just hasnt meet a right person yet.

 

In fact his romance seemed the most deep and meaningful, and well integrated into the main plot.

[9TailsFox]

Meer did a voice of Shepard saying he *is* a woman, and so that would mean trans woman instead.

Meer also did voice of this.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

What?  

 

Is there another video game company that goes out of its way to provide this kind of content to every game they make?  

I find them to be at the forefront of LGBT topics in video games.

 

Honestly, most games that offer multiple romance options have at least one same sex option now. It's not something you usually see with "set character" games with one canon romance plot, but in "create your own character" games with multiple love interests, same sex options are basically the norm at this point. Bioware has been really consistent about this with their Dragon Age series since before it was the norm, but pretty unreliable for same sex options in Mass Effect. Only the third game had options for males at all. So, I think there's fair enough reason to be a bit concerned about Mass Effect. If it was Dragon Age, yeah, I'd say it was a given. 

[Spirit Keeper]

I actually want to raise a further point based on the email I mentioned in my original post. Being openly gay and comfortable with that fact does NOT mean having sex. The media needs to get over it and stop making promiscuous gays to show how 'open' they are. Literally a simple "Well I've never had sex but I just know i'm gay", I knew I was gay soon after reaching puberty even though I didn't have a word for it back then and from the age of 16 onward it was a process of simply telling friends and family I liked men sexuality and not women, that does NOT mean I went around trying to find people to sleep with just to 'prove' something. The closest thing Bioware has done with that was with Dorian where most of the random people he slept with was just annoy his father, really? Come on. Being comfortable with ones sexuality and being promiscuous are mutually exclusive and Bioware (along with all media) needs to stop chaining gay people up with that idea.

 

When I talk about this issue with my close friends they always joke "Well how else are people supposed to know they're gay if they aren't slutty?" and it really is a massive sad joke the media keeps playing on gay people. People aren't stupid, my example above of ""Well I've never had sex but I just know i'm gay" will quite literally let people know the person is gay. Bioware really needs to stop using this stereotype for all it's gay and bi men. 

 

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I actually want to raise a further point based on the email I mentioned in my original post. Being openly gay and comfortable with that fact does NOT mean having sex. The media needs to get over it and stop making promiscuous gays to show how 'open' they are. Literally a simple "Well I've never had sex but I just know i'm gay", I knew I was gay soon after reaching puberty even though I didn't have a word for it back then and from the age of 16 onward it was a process of simply telling friends and family I liked men sexuality and not women, that does NOT mean I went around trying to find people to sleep with just to 'prove' something. The closest thing Bioware has done with that was with Dorian where most of the random people he slept with was just annoy his father, really? Come on. Being comfortable with ones sexuality and being promiscuous are mutually exclusive and Bioware (along with all media) needs to stop chaining gay people up with that idea.

 

When I talk about this issue with my close friends they always joke "Well how else are people supposed to know they're gay if they aren't slutty?" and it really is a massive sad joke the media keeps playing on gay people. People aren't stupid, my example above of ""Well I've never had sex but I just know i'm gay" will quite literally let people know the person is gay. Bioware really needs to stop using this stereotype for all it's gay and bi men. 

What about Steve Cortez? The only person he ever slept with other than Shepard is his late husband. 

[dgcatanisiri]

I actually want to raise a further point based on the email I mentioned in my original post. Being openly gay and comfortable with that fact does NOT mean having sex. The media needs to get over it and stop making promiscuous gays to show how 'open' they are. Literally a simple "Well I've never had sex but I just know i'm gay", I knew I was gay soon after reaching puberty even though I didn't have a word for it back then and from the age of 16 onward it was a process of simply telling friends and family I liked men sexuality and not women, that does NOT mean I went around trying to find people to sleep with just to 'prove' something. The closest thing Bioware has done with that was with Dorian where most of the random people he slept with was just annoy his father, really? Come on. Being comfortable with ones sexuality and being promiscuous are mutually exclusive and Bioware (along with all media) needs to stop chaining gay people up with that idea.

 

When I talk about this issue with my close friends they always joke "Well how else are people supposed to know they're gay if they aren't slutty?" and it really is a massive sad joke the media keeps playing on gay people. People aren't stupid, my example above of ""Well I've never had sex but I just know i'm gay" will quite literally let people know the person is gay. Bioware really needs to stop using this stereotype for all it's gay and bi men. 

 

In all honesty, on that count, I'm less concerned with Mass Effect than I am with Dragon Age. Maybe it's just that Kaidan and Steve in ME3 were the only options, but they were good at countering this - Steve had been in a committed monogamous relationship, and Kaidan's romance lock-in talks specifically about how he's not in many relationships. I still have concerns, given that getting just M/M relationships in the game was like pulling teeth, dragging them, kicking and screaming the whole way, but the 'promiscuous gay' seems less of a thing in Mass Effect. Granted, that's still a sample size of one game out of three, but I'm taking my positives where I find them right now.

 

Dragon Age, though... They are LOUSY with this trope. Zevran and Iron Bull both talk about their sexual histories, and Fenris/M!Hawke is the only M/M pairing that doesn't at some point imply one or both parties enjoys even light bondage (Zevran and Dorian both offer unprompted comments about rope, in the context of being tied up, and a purple!Hawke brings up 'other uses' for chains in MotA), so there's this really overused idea that M/M sex is inherently kinky.

[legbamel]

To be fair, Zevran makes the same rope comment to a female Warden and F!Hawke makes the same comment about chains.  Those lines are not specific to m/m interaction.  That said, the DA universe could use a little more variety in their male romances.  There has to be happy medium between "slept with a hundred people" and "blushing virgin" for the guys.  Blackwall came close but then, y'know, lying murderer and all.  Gimme a Ser Steve, please!  Without the side of dead spouse angst, preferably.  Not all previous committed relationships have to end in traumatic deaths.

[Seraphim24]

What?  

 

Is there another video game company that goes out of its way to provide this kind of content to every game they make?  

I find them to be at the forefront of LGBT topics in video games.

 

There's just a lot of closetedness the tumblr generation is happy to just go into any old topic and get any old response.

 

Like, I could go on at length at the relationships between pansexuality, bisexuality, genderfluid, transgender, BDSM, men, women, video games, everything and anything there is but there's no real point here, everyone just gets tight-lipped and it's a waste of time.

[JasonPogo]

So I am not going to read 15 pages of comments.  But I have to say this is a no win situation for Bioware.  No matter who or what kind of romance they give us people will complain.  Just look how much bitching all those poor straight guys did about Dragon Age Inquisition.  All the good option were gay or for woman. Or so they would cry.  And then there are the gay community crying that their options are promiscuous!  They just can't win. 

[Panda]

So I am not going to read 15 pages of comments.  But I have to say this is a no win situation for Bioware.  No matter who or what kind of romance they give us people will complain.  Just look how much bitching all those poor straight guys did about Dragon Age Inquisition.  All the good option were gay or for woman. Or so they would cry.  And then there are the gay community crying that their options are promiscuous!  They just can't win. 

 

There is no way to get everybody happy, even if you have even numbers, some people will still not like what they got. However I do think Bioware could try to avoid cliches and making romance options too similar, in this case making gay and bi characters promiscuous type. Though I don't think BW even did  that with ME's romances, I don't think Kaidan, Steve nor Liara were like that at all so I don't think that criticism holds that true in terms of ME, it's more of complaint about DA.

[nfi42]

There is no way to get everybody happy

 

Well you could make everyone happy romance wise but then the game would just be a romance simulator without any rpg or shooter elements or a story.

[SofaJockey]

DAI: Josie. No Sex.

Result: Complaints from people who wanted to bang...

 

Answer: BioWare will tell the stories they want to tell and that's the end of it.

[9TailsFox]

DAI: Josie. No Sex.

Result: Complaints from people who wanted to bang...

 

Answer: BioWare will tell the stories they want to tell and that's the end of it.

You forget complains from people who find disney princes boring. And she is not companion.

[Shechinah]

You forget complains from people who find disney princes boring. And she is not companion.

 

She's still a romance and the topic is specifically about non-heterosexual romances being promiscuous which Josephine's is not from what I know.

[Shechinah]

The closest thing Bioware has done with that was with Dorian where most of the random people he slept with was just annoy his father, really? Come on. Being comfortable with ones sexuality and being promiscuous are mutually exclusive and Bioware (along with all media) needs to stop chaining gay people up with that idea.

 

I do not recall having ever heard anything that indicated this? The most I recall of Dorian talking about his previous relationships was him talking about how you didn't dare to hope for more in a relationship in Tevinter because of how things were. That dosen't mean he was promiscuous.

 

Also, did you mean that being comfortable with ones sexuality and being promiscuous is not necessarily mutually inclusive? Because in the same sentence you say that Bioware along with all media needs to stop chaining gay people up with that idea but mutually exclusive means that two or more events cannot occur simultaneously. I'm just asking so I'm sure I didn't misunderstand.

[Heathen Oxman]

DAI: Josie. No Sex.

Result: Complaints from people who wanted to bang...

 

Answer: BioWare will tell the stories they want to tell and that's the end of it.

 

^ Thhhhiiiissssss.

[fdrty]

Do people think Bioware make dating sims? They make RPGs with romantic subplots. Don't expect every flavour of character to romance. If you want that, go play a visual novel.

 

Gay people have sex. Therefore a gay character who has sex is not unrealistic, or an unfair representation of gay people, because gay people have sex. If they wrote a storyline which was critical of how much sex a gay person did or didn't have, then that would be bad. But they don't, and as for the OP, you're projecting your own desires and prejudices onto the game, and criticising it for not meeting those standards.

[SnakeCode]

Subplot is being generous, more like five minutes worth of throw away content. It has little to no depth, doesn't tie into the main story at all, and all in all is far too gamey for my liking (i.e. Press flirt option to win).

 

I could name a game that does it's romance content justice, but the very mention of the franchise on these boards causes hackles to be raised and brings about immense amounts of butthurt.

[Seboist]

Subplot is being generous, more like five minutes worth of throw away content. It has little to no depth, doesn't tie into the main story at all, and all in all is far too gamey for my liking (i.e. Press flirt option to win).

 

I could name a game that does it's romance content justice, but the very mention of the franchise on these boards causes hackles to be raised and brings about immense amounts of butthurt.

Bruh, I can name a DLC to a 2D 8 bit throwback game that does it's "romance content" justice, the Plague of Shadows one for Shovel Knight. The story and motivation of the PC revolves around romance, and it isn't a cringefest like the typical BW "romance" and has some interesting character development at the end.

 

[SmilesJA]

I never found the Bioware romances "cringe worthy".

[Seboist]

I never found the Bioware romances "cringe worthy".

You never played Jacob's romance or picked the Paragon dialogue in Ashley's romance in ME1 then.

[Sarayne]

You never played Jacob's romance or picked the Paragon dialogue in Ashley's romance in ME1 then.

Lets be honest here, no one did the Jacob romance.

[SmilesJA]

You never played Jacob's romance or picked the Paragon dialogue in Ashley's romance in ME1 then.

 

I felt they were fine.

[fdrty]

Subplot is being generous, more like five minutes worth of throw away content. It has little to no depth, doesn't tie into the main story at all, and all in all is far too gamey for my liking (i.e. Press flirt option to win).

 

I could name a game that does it's romance content justice, but the very mention of the franchise on these boards causes hackles to be raised and brings about immense amounts of butthurt.

 

Just out of curiosity, what franchise is that?