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My fears over Bioware's representation of Gay&Bi romances in Andromeda.


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#51
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The gay/bi characters in BioWare games are no more, or less, promiscuous than the straight ones.  You're "afraid" of a "problem" that doesn't, and never did, exist.  Typical PC Knight


Eh, I don't agree with him since there's been variety, but that's not true, at least for DA. I don't think there straight romances with the same background as, say, Zevran, Isabela and Bull.
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Dragon Age:

 

Straight:

Alistair no promiscuous

Morrigan promiscuous

(Sebastian no promiscuous – DLC character)

Cassandra no promiscuous

Cullen no promiscuous

Blackwall no promiscuous

Solas no promiscuous

 

Bi:

Leliana promiscuous (past),

Zevran promiscuous,

Isabela promiscuous,

Merrill no promiscuous,

Anders promiscuous (in the Circle he was not able for a stable relationship),

Fenris no promiscuous,

Josie no promiscuous,

Iron Bull promiscuous

 

Gay:

Sera promiscuous

Dorian promiscuous  (in Teviter he was not able for a stable relationship)

 

Summarize:

 

Straight: 6(+1) – 5(+1):1

Bi: 8 – 3:5

Gay: 2 – 0:2

 

Correct me, if I wrong!


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I don't know if Sera was promiscuous, but then again I never romanced her. I also don't know if Morrigan was promiscuous.  She was the witch of the Wilds and I'm sure she had sex before.  But I don't know if she was promiscuous. Out of all the male gay/bi romances, Fenris is the only one who wasn't promiscuous, and I think it had more to do with him being available to women too.



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I don't know if Sera was promiscuous, but then again I never romanced her. I also don't know if Morrigan was promiscuous.  She was the witch of the Wilds and I'm sure she had sex before.  But I don't know if she was promiscuous. Out of all the male gay/bi romances, Fenris is the only one who wasn't promiscuous, and I think it had more to do with him being available to women too.

Possible, Sera not promiscuous (I don't have experience, just heard), but I'm sure, Morrigan somewhat promiscuous (she's talking about her relationship with men – if I remember good).

 

About Fenris:  I dont think that – Anders and Zevran also available to women.



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Dont care what they do with the romances. I'm just in it for the space exploration and shooting. And who are you trying to kid? I bet you've got the game on pre-order.

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Dragon Age:

 

Straight:

Alistair no promiscuous

Morrigan promiscuous

(Sebastian no promiscuous – DLC character)

Cassandra no promiscuous

Cullen no promiscuous

Blackwall no promiscuous

Solas no promiscuous

 

Bi:

Leliana promiscuous (past),

Zevran promiscuous,

Isabela promiscuous,

Merrill no promiscuous,

Anders promiscuous (in the Circle he was not able for a stable relationship),

Fenris no promiscuous,

Josie no promiscuous,

Iron Bull promiscuous

 

Gay:

Sera promiscuous

Dorian promiscuous  (in Teviter he was not able for a stable relationship)

 

Summarize:

 

Straight: 6(+1) – 5(+1):1

Bi: 8 – 3:5

Gay: 2 – 0:2

 

Correct me, if I wrong!

 

Sebastian had a promiscuous past; it's part of the reason his parents sent him to the Chantry. Anders is no longer promiscuous by the time of DA2, and he also had a years-long relationship with Karl before he was sent to the Gallows, so it's not accurate to say he didn't have a stable relationship in the Circle. And I don't think Sera is promiscuous either. She talks about finding women attractive but that doesn't mean she sleeps with them. She's really serious about the relationship with the Inquisitor, and she's one of the 2 LIs you can actually marry. If not romanced she has a relationship with Dagna that seems to last several years at least. 


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I don't know if Sera was promiscuous, but then again I never romanced her. I also don't know if Morrigan was promiscuous.  She was the witch of the Wilds and I'm sure she had sex before.  But I don't know if she was promiscuous. Out of all the male gay/bi romances, Fenris is the only one who wasn't promiscuous, and I think it had more to do with him being available to women too.

 

 

Sera wasn't promiscuous at all. As far as I can tell, the only companions who were pretty open about getting around were Zevran (sort of), Isabela and Iron Bull. 


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The more I see posts like this the more I hope BioWare scraps romances, but they are dead set on including them to their own peril.


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The more I see posts like this the more I hope BioWare scraps romances, but they are dead set on including them to their own peril.

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Sebastian had a promiscuous past; it's part of the reason his parents sent him to the Chantry. Anders is no longer promiscuous by the time of DA2, and he also had a years-long relationship with Karl before he was sent to the Gallows, so it's not accurate to say he didn't have a stable relationship in the Circle. And I don't think Sera is promiscuous either. She talks about finding women attractive but that doesn't mean she sleeps with them. She's really serious about the relationship with the Inquisitor, and she's one of the 2 LIs you can actually marry. If not romanced she has a relationship with Dagna that seems to last several years at least. 

Sera ok, I said, I dont have experience with her. (Sorry, if I was wrong) Then

Gay: 1:1

 

Anders is one of my favorite, then okay, I can accept: he not promiscuous... (but long time ago was over his relationship with Karl, and we dont know: he was lonely after that)

Bi: 4:4 

 

But Sebastian was not promiscuous, rather he was a simple bad child (if I had understand good), and third-born...

Straight still 6(+1) 5(+1):1



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Sera ok, I said, I dont have experience with her. (Sorry, if I was wrong) Then

Gay: 1:1

 

Anders is one of my favorite, then okay, I can accept: he not promiscuous...

Bi: 4:4 

 

But Sebastian was not promiscuous, rather he was a simple bad child (if I had understand good), and third-born...

Straight still 6(+1) 5(+1):1

 

About Sebastian, from WoT2: "Sebastian would spend his substantial allowance on drink, entertainment, and the wooing of the fine ladies of Starkhaven", "The many ladies Sebastian lavished his attention upon adored him, finding his rebellious streak utterly irresistible." and "As Sebastian's lifestyle grew more and more outlandish, his family began to fear the shame he was bringing upon the family name. Worse, they feared the creation of a Vael bastard."


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About Sebastian, from WoT2: "Sebastian would spend his substantial allowance on drink, entertainment, and the wooing of the fine ladies of Starkhaven", "The many ladies Sebastian lavished his attention upon adored him, finding his rebellious streak utterly irresistible." and "As Sebastian's lifestyle grew more and more outlandish, his family began to fear the shame he was bringing upon the family name. Worse, they feared the creation of a Vael bastard."

Ok, bad chantry boy... ;)

Straight 6(+1) 5:1(+1)



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Until it's confirmed that there is an option for us gay men who isn't promiscuous I won't be funding Bioware by buying this game if they are only interested in portraying us as all as being promiscuous.

 

If I were EA I would start to exploit the hell out of this consumerbase with specific, romance related DLC.


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If I were EA I would start to exploit the hell out of this consumerbase with specific, romance related DLC.

I'm glad that you're not the EA ...


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I'm glad that you're not the EA ...

 

Why? I would make all your gamer dreams come true for the soul of your first born.


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I came for the fear, but then I realized it's one of those where they don't post anymore in the thread. Ah, well.


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Why? I would make all your gamer dreams come true for the soul of your first born.

 

 

I would pick something other than first born as an asking price. It's bound to end with a lot of IOU's. 


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I love romances on ME, I really do, it's a really nice addition to the game.

But all those romances threads that go round in circles start to kill all my fun and expectations.

so.........

castieliquit_by_scarlett_aimpyh-da8b9ox.


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TL;DR: Bioware's representation of gay/bi men in their romances as all being promiscuous is stereotypical and offensive to me and a lot of people who've fought for years just to be regarded as equals. Hopefully Andromeda will take influence from ME3 and have a Bi option and Gay option, one who is not promiscuous with no prior sexual history and the other option who is that so everyone has representation. Until it's confirmed that there is an option for us gay men who isn't promiscuous I won't be funding Bioware by buying this game if they are only interested in portraying us as all as being promiscuous.

 

That was my impression of Dorian, Sera and Iron Bull in Inquisition as well. I would like to have the chance of having a gay romance, both as a man and woman in video game with someone who's not kinky, gross or vulgar about sex. Just someone normal.

 

Homosexuals are not eccentric people. There are people out there who dress up to look different. They dye their hair and cover their bodies in tattoos and piercings to scream to the world how unafraid they are of being judged, but they don't represent the gay individual.

 

If they wish to dress up and challenge society by changing their appearance, being loud and engaging in further behaviour aimed to indulge their incessant need for self-affirmation, it's their choice. But a lot of homosexuals are discreet and dress and act like your average person. 



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lol, even Shepard can be considered a virgin if you never romance with anyone. There's a different set of dialogue with EDI at the Presidium. Then again, even BroShep could fit into the "promiscuous bisexual male" role as he does attract the attention of both sexes even from the beginning. I mean seriously.. Jenkins, that soldier at human embassy, the starstruck C-Sec officer, Conrad Verner, even Vega was a Shepard fanboy... 



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I mean seriously.. Jenkins, that soldier at human embassy, the starstruck C-Sec officer, Conrad Verner, even Vega was a Shepard fanboy... 

 

Sexual attraction does not equal hero worship.


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lol, even Shepard can be considered a virgin if you never romance with anyone. There's a different set of dialogue with EDI at the Presidium. Then again, even BroShep could fit into the "promiscuous bisexual male" role as he does attract the attention of both sexes even from the beginning. I mean seriously.. Jenkins, that soldier at human embassy, the starstruck C-Sec officer, Conrad Verner, even Vega was a Shepard fanboy... 

Jenkins?

Jenkins?

Freaking Jenkins??

I don't think so  :D  :D  :D



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Hmmm, my fears over Bioware's representation of romances in Andromeda: They're in the game.


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Hmmm, my fears over Bioware's representation of romances in Andromeda: They're in the game.

As the trees, the weapons, the companions ...



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As the trees, the weapons, the companions ...

Nope, just the romances.