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[Schrapnel]

She was really cool in ME 1 and she was my love interest and in ME 2 i just met here and she is different. I liked here better in ME1. And there is not much of a choice left... like what 1 crazy girl, 1 annoying as hell ******, 1 secretary and yeah thats it!!! The hell. I hope later in the mission Liara goes back to here roots. **** me!

[aoibhealfae]

I kinda canoned that she's really a spy for the Asari Republic and the real person is actually the reserved passive aggressive stalker in ME2 and 3.

[DMc1001]

I kinda canoned that she's really a spy for the Asari Republic and the real person is actually the reserved passive aggressive stalker in ME2 and 3.

How would that work if Liara and Shepard share memories on multiple occasions?  IIRC, it can be done at least 3 times.

[capn233]

Sorry OP.

 

Although she became a bit too Canon Sue, I liked Liara more after she became a bit more independent and less naive.

[Eleonora]

^{She was a bit too naive and annoying in the first game (especially when she thought you had "something special" while you're just being nice), but I didn't like her sudden transition to edgy distant info broker.} 

 

^{I won't spoil anything more, but she becomes a bit more "relaxed" later on, especially in the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC. If you're worried about lack of romance content, OP, don't be, because her romance easily has the most content out of all the trilogy romances.}

[congokong]

She was radically changed; kind of like Wrex in ME3. Garrus changed a bit too, but not to the Liara extreme. Despite Liara spying on you in ME1 as well, I could never see an introverted archaelogist like her becoming an "information broker" within 2 years. Besides it being very out of her element, it certainly requires some unethical practices as it's basically spying on everyone for profit.

[iM3GTR]

Looking back, Liara was a bit rubbish throughout the whole trilogy.

[straykat]

Nice to see a fresh opinion. I got used to it, but I remember it being that weird when I first played.

[aoibhealfae]

How would that work if Liara and Shepard share memories on multiple occasions?  IIRC, it can be done at least 3 times.

It can be done only once if you pick her up last. And it didn't go two-way, she have access to everything in Shepard's mind but Shepard can't see hers. 

[straykat]

It can be done only once if you pick her up last. And it didn't go two-way, she have access to everything in Shepard's mind but Shepard can't see hers. 

 

Which is why I ultimately like the other companions, as far as friendships/romance goes. It just skips the whole fun of learning and understanding another person. But also the fact that it's one sided anyways.

 

Maybe that's a bit sappy. I don't know.

[fdrty]

She was radically changed; kind of like Wrex in ME3. Garrus changed a bit too, but not to the Liara extreme. Despite Liara spying on you in ME1 as well, I could never see an introverted archaelogist like her becoming an "information broker" within 2 years. Besides it being very out of her element, it certainly requires some unethical practices as it's basically spying on everyone for profit.

 At least Garrus' becoming a vigilante made sense. It was logically where he was going to end up.

 

Liara, however, is a big player in a completely different profession that she wasn't suited to at all, while at a young age and during a small amount of time. Her personality's changed, her function in the narrative changed, she's basically a completely different character. I get that 2 years have gone by, but that change so drastic that it's jarring.

[straykat]

 At least Garrus' becoming a vigilante made sense. It was logically where he was going to end up.

 

Liara, however, is a big player in a completely different profession that she wasn't suited to at all, while at a young age and during a small amount of time. Her personality's changed, her function in the narrative changed, she's basically a completely different character. I get that 2 years have gone by, but that change so drastic that it's jarring.

 

I think one thing about it fits her personality.. She's a researcher. It's a stretch, but I'll accept it just so for my own peace of mind.

 

I also think she's had Paragon Control type of tendencies ever from the start. I almost want to say it's a trait of many Asari in the stories (except Aria.. that's more Renegade Control). So the Shadow Broker is an extension of that. Her mom probably intended something similar with Saren too.

[Arkhne]

 At least Garrus' becoming a vigilante made sense. It was logically where he was going to end up.

 

Liara, however, is a big player in a completely different profession that she wasn't suited to at all, while at a young age and during a small amount of time. Her personality's changed, her function in the narrative changed, she's basically a completely different character. I get that 2 years have gone by, but that change so drastic that it's jarring.

 

I just wanted to emphasize the 2 years thing. Even in human terms, 2 years is not all that long, and whilst one can change "a lot" in that time, it takes a lot longer to make lasting core changes.

By contrast, the Salarians quickly adapt and deal with things due to lesser lifespans and logic. A Salarian probably COULD change that much in 2 years.

But a Krogan or Asari? Their lives are long, and slow, that wouldn't change much at all in 2 years.

[Sifr]

Lair of the Shadow Broker did have Liara admit that it was mostly just an act, because people would have walked all over her otherwise.

 

Regardless of whether you romance her or not, it's suggested throughout the trilogy that Liara is a bit of a stalker with a crush when it comes to Shepard. It would explain why she went to such drastic lengths as allowing Cerberus to try to resurrect them with mad science, as well go on the warpath against the Shadow Broker for trying to sell the body to the Collectors.

 

Across the trilogy we see that Shepard seems to have had an influence on a lot of the companions and inspired them in some way, often to shake them out of the rut they were in previously. With Liara, we know that Benezia's overbearing ways had lead to their estrangement and her colleagues in the archaeological community ostracised her due to her youth.

 

Shepard was the first person who gave her validation and proved that she wasn't a crackpot, something many others seem to have done based on her theories on the Protheans and the Cycle of extinction. This was probably one of the reasons she first found herself gravitating to Shepard.

[Shechinah]

Lair of the Shadow Broker did have Liara admit that it was mostly just an act, because people would have walked all over her otherwise.

 

Regardless of whether you romance her or not, it's suggested throughout the trilogy that Liara is a bit of a stalker with a crush when it comes to Shepard. It would explain why she went to such drastic lengths as allowing Cerberus to try to resurrect them with mad science, as well go on the warpath against the Shadow Broker for trying to sell the body to the Collectors.

 

I don't think we ever have much of an option to in-depth talk to her about that which is a shame since I think my Sole Survivor!Shepard wouldn't have been too pleased with her going to Cerberus with the body since Liara would have known about what they did on Akuze and to others.

[Barquiel]

I don't know if the op played LotSB, but I don't think Liara necessarily changed much from ME1 to ME2. The situation she finds herself in is simply different. She is obviously alot more cynical in ME2 and ME3, but I think that making her a bit more hardened was a logical way to take her character. Of course it's not like she's completely lost her old personality, it's still there. She's very compassionate and caring, even in ME3. And she's more sure of herself now, sure...but why wouldn't she be (especially if romanced)? She also had to give up some of her solitude in order to get the job on Ilium done and she was willing to do so. I think it's made quite clear for example that Liara was using one of Benezia's threats as an element of the facade that she has constructed out of necessity, and in order to operate in Illium's underworld. This is why Liara ultimately prefers the Shadow Broker position...she gains the solitude back and usually only interacts with close friends on a day to day basis (Shepard and Feron).

I suppose her character development required additional clarification and elaboration in ME2 that the scene on Illium did not provide. If she had a bigger role in the main game and you got to know more about what happened to her in the past two years then perhaps it wouldn't seem like as drastic of a change as it appears to be...this was however corrected in LotSB imo. But her core personality didn't change.

[aoibhealfae]

Which is why I ultimately like the other companions, as far as friendships/romance goes. It just skips the whole fun of learning and understanding another person. But also the fact that it's one sided anyways.

 

Maybe that's a bit sappy. I don't know.

 

I get that they're trying to make her romance seemingly exotic but its kinda like Twilight deals with imprinting, Liara simply knew Shepard was the one for her because she "embraced eternity". However, you don't actually know what happen except it felt orgasmic. And even in romance, you're not allowed to ask her more about herself or even to grieve her mother but you can ask more about how her species reproduce.

 

Romancing the later version of Liara make more sense as they knew about each other more than three years. Each of them respect another as friends, Liara have all the years to determine whether it was an short-term infatuation or what.. 

[Arkhne]

The only reason why I romance Liara (if you want to call it that), is because it is the best of bad options.

 

The only person who could possibly compare is Garrus, but I like having him as a friend too much (Yep, poor guy got Friend Zoned, otherwise the most respectable character who is a candidate).

 

The other characters, I either downright hate, or have no interest in, and most fit the earlier category.

 

I could NEVER romance Kaidan or Ashley, and anyone who does has a problem. Neither of them behaves the least bit acceptable as a partner. The suspicion, and almost distaste, that they frequently show for Shepard is disgusting, even for the "friends" and "comrades" they SHOULD be if not romanced. These are characters I hate, not just personally, but for the poor writting skills that went into them, I can't believe that their character and behaviour was really what was intended, and if it was, then that's just a terrible reflection on the interpersonal skills of Bioware's scriptwriter.

 

Where does that leave us? A pair of women who can't see past their own bigotries to even function as a crew? A dying assassin who's religion blinds them to the reality of their actions?

 

A naive engineer, who repeatedly falls into the same narrow-mindedbigotry of her species that cost them their homeworld, and drives them to seek the extinction of the Geth? For such a smart race, Quarians have made a lot of really stupid decisions.

 

Kelly? She's easy for with anybody, hardly long-term relationship material.

 

I'm also kinda disappointed that the Joker/EDI token Organic/Synthetic relationship was a thing, Joker could've made a viable romance option.

[DeathScepter]

Looking back, Liara was a bit rubbish throughout the whole trilogy.

 

that is why many people including me,see her as mary sue. and Yes I do consider her to be unfit to be a Shadow Broker or his organization in that short of the time

[straykat]

The only reason why I romance Liara (if you want to call it that), is because it is the best of bad options.

 

The only person who could possibly compare is Garrus, but I like having him as a friend too much (Yep, poor guy got Friend Zoned, otherwise the most respectable character who is a candidate).

 

The other characters, I either downright hate, or have no interest in, and most fit the earlier category.

 

I could NEVER romance Kaidan or Ashley, and anyone who does has a problem. Neither of them behaves the least bit acceptable as a partner. The suspicion, and almost distaste, that they frequently show for Shepard is disgusting, even for the "friends" and "comrades" they SHOULD be if not romanced. These are characters I hate, not just personally, but for the poor writting skills that went into them, I can't believe that their character and behaviour was really what was intended, and if it was, then that's just a terrible reflection on the interpersonal skills of Bioware's scriptwriter.

 

Where does that leave us? A pair of women who can't see past their own bigotries to even function as a crew? A dying assassin who's religion blinds them to the reality of their actions?

 

A naive engineer, who repeatedly falls into the same narrow-mindedbigotry of her species that cost them their homeworld, and drives them to seek the extinction of the Geth? For such a smart race, Quarians have made a lot of really stupid decisions.

 

Kelly? She's easy for with anybody, hardly long-term relationship material.

 

I'm also kinda disappointed that the Joker/EDI token Organic/Synthetic relationship was a thing, Joker could've made a viable romance option.

 

Well, count me in the Jack camp. She's kind of the anti-Liara to me. But I know she's kind of niche.

 

I wouldn't call being tortured as a labrat a mere "bigotry" either. It's like saying Wolverine shouldn't be pissed about the Weapon-X program.

 

In any case, most of the companions are what you make of them. There's a few options for all of them that changes things up a bit.

[Gago]

Liara in ME2 was awesome, I dislike the boring and naive Liara in the first game. Pity that in ME3 we got mixed Liara (she is still awesome tough), she should have been absolutely grey character. 

[fdrty]

I could NEVER romance Kaidan or Ashley, and anyone who does has a problem.

 

Good to know that you discovered the objectively correct way to play the game. Silly me, I thought Mass Effect was about player choice, or something.

 

Neither of them behaves the least bit acceptable as a partner. The suspicion, and almost distaste, that they frequently show for Shepard is disgusting, even for the "friends" and "comrades" they SHOULD be if not romanced. These are characters I hate, not just personally, but for the poor writting skills that went into them, I can't believe that their character and behaviour was really what was intended, and if it was, then that's just a terrible reflection on the interpersonal skills of Bioware's scriptwriter.

 

1. They don't have distaste for Shepard, they have distaste for Cerberus, a known Terrorist organisation. They distrust Shepard because 6 months ago he was working for them.
2. It would be even worse writing if they abandoned their principles and suddenly had no issue with Cerberus, or for some reason didn't think there was anything fishy about Shepard returning from the dead in their secret project. It sounds like you just wanted everyone in the game to think you are awesome and always right all of the time, but, well, that's not how it's going to be. Regaining Ash/Kaidan's trust is an important part of their character arcs, and it makes their romances far better, and far more realistic, than if they just adored you out of the gate - but that adoration is what you want, so you chose loyal-virginal-fangirl turned badass Liara.

Where does that leave us? A pair of women who can't see past their own bigotries to even function as a crew? A dying assassin who's religion blinds them to the reality of their actions?

 

A naive engineer, who repeatedly falls into the same narrow-mindedbigotry of her species that cost them their homeworld, and drives them to seek the extinction of the Geth? For such a smart race, Quarians have made a lot of really stupid decisions.

 

Kelly? She's easy for with anybody, hardly long-term relationship material.

 

Quarians weren't necessarily bigoted. They knew the Geth better than anyone else, and we get to see how messed up the Geth are, as they weren't created as AI, but became AI through updates. They are at war. The Geth are not friendly. Nothing Tali does is unfair or bigoted in that regard.

 

Kelly is attracted to many species. That does not make her easy, and only disqualifies her as 'relationship material' if you have a weird hang up about that kind of thing.

[themikefest]

The one thing that gets me is that if Shepard tells her that he/she will throw her in the volcano, she forgets about that and assumes they're friends. If someone were to say that to me, I would avoid that person.
 

[Livi14]

She was really cool in ME 1 and she was my love interest and in ME 2 i just met here and she is different. I liked here better in ME1. And there is not much of a choice left... like what 1 crazy girl, 1 annoying as hell ******, 1 secretary and yeah thats it!!! The hell. I hope later in the mission Liara goes back to here roots. **** me!

That's, uhh, pretty much the exact opposite of me. Liara' writing improved immensely after Patrick Weekes and Sylvia Feketekuty took over and wrote the character in LOTSB and ME3 (imo), and my canon Shepard started the romance with her in ME3. I lost all respect for the VS after Horizon, the ME2 LIs were not really my cup of tea and I feel that romancing Liara for the first time in ME3 feels more natural than importing a save where you romanced her in all games.

[straykat]

The one thing that gets me is that if Shepard tells her that he/she will throw her in the volcano, she forgets about that and assumes they're friends. If someone were to say that to me, I would avoid that person.
 

 

Like I said, she takes after her mom. I'm sure Saren said similar things to her.