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[Fogg]

In threads here, on Reddit and in comments on news sites, a lot of new information is measured by one big misconception. Well, unfounded assumption at least. A lot of people seem to be convinced that the colonists leave for Andromeda because of the Reaper thread.

 

Of course this isn't a crazy idea, but it's still very much unconfirmed (it's not even mentioned in one of the many leaks). I have the feeling this isn't the primary reason the Andromeda Initiative is initiated. There could be other reasons. Exploration for the sake of exploration. The fear that dark energy would make the Milky Way unhabbitable. Fear for the Geth after the events of ME1. There are alternatives.

 

All we know is that Ryder leaves before big choices are made in Mass Effect 3.

 

It's too premature to get outraged about: 'But no one believed Shepard about the Reapers!' 'Why would've no one told Shepard!' 'Why wouldn't they put all their energy into the Crucible project!'

 

Who knows, perhaps the colonists aren't running in panick from Reaper thread and are just like 'yea, ok, I'll come along' and have all the time in the world to prepare.

[Armass81]

It could be that it was started as an exploration initiative, but turned into an emergency exodus plan as the reapers showed up.

[FrietzMG]

Ok.

 

But remember when the ME3 demo came out and everyone was worried about the lack of dialogue options (in the intro level at least)?

 

The devs later said that the first mission would have more choice in dialogue, as well as the full game.

 

Look how that turned out.

 

Worrying about something now means they can look at these discussions and address issues (whatever you wanna call them) before it's too late. Of course, that never stopped them before, extremely unlikely it will work now.

 

But we keep trying.

 

Personally, I don't want my new protagonist running off to another galaxy in a expedition to escape the Reapers. That, to me, is the coward's way out, regardless of what I can choose to be Ryder's personal motivations.

[EpicNewb]

Didn't the Citadel Archives confirm that the leaders of the Council Races believed in Reapers

[geth47]

Really, in a galaxy with literally several billions of individuals, even if the majority of the people did not believe shepard it stands to reason that at least a few hundred thousand would believe the reapers to be real. 

 

We don´t know if it´s a civil idea (perhaps a colony simulating that it was taken by the collectors), a cerberus plan (trying to do their own take over of a colony and taking them, perhaps even against their will), or an alliance secret plan (maybe Hackett and Anderson were working behind lines to secure this mission). 

 

At this point, with so little information it´s just useless to make guesses. Let´s wait and see with the execution is good and the explanation makes sense. 

[geth47]

"Didn't the Citadel Archives confirm that the leaders of the Council Races believed in Reapers"

 

One has to believe that the files are constanly being updated. You visit the archives during the ME3 story, always after the cerberus coup. By then, it´s obvious that no one can deny the reapers anymore. And anyone seeing a reaper will surelly recognize the same design configuration as the vessel that attacked the citadel at the end of ME1. 

[geth47]

"Worrying about something now means they can look at these discussions and address issues (whatever you wanna call them) before it's too late. Of course, that never stopped them before, extremely unlikely it will work now."

 

Actually, I seriously doubt it.

 

By now, the creation of content seems to be fixed. Only additional content in the form of DLC or multyplayer could suffer large changes at this moment. Or the game would have to be delayed... again. 

 

You simply can not expect any profound changes this late down the road. 

 

 

By now, they will simply trim as few things, disable what can not be tested in time, as always. 

 

Marketing now can only entice the audience and make them want the product. But the product itself won´t change unless there´s a severe backlash. And I doubt it will happen. The game was alreasdy delayed once.  From now until March the game will be tested in order to remove bugs. and that´s all. 

[FrietzMG]

"Worrying about something now means they can look at these discussions and address issues (whatever you wanna call them) before it's too late. Of course, that never stopped them before, extremely unlikely it will work now."

 

Actually, I seriously doubt it.

 

By now, the creation of content seems to be fixed. Only additional content in the form of DLC or multyplayer could suffer large changes at this moment. Or the game would have to be delayed... again. 

 

You simply can not expect any profound changes this late down the road. 

 

 

 

Of course, like I said, but I was referring to discussions since this forum was created, which means at least 1 year of devs checking out (or not).

It won't affect anything now, I'm sure. But at least we tried.

 

"Worrying or getting outraged" about anything before release is a waste of time. Well, to me it isn't! And most of the time, the fans are not even wrong, they are showing real concerns for something they came to care about. They will be vocal for something they don't like, it's natural.

Better to get a fine final product from the start ("fine" in our point of view, of course) than to outrage all over later, like the ME3 ending fiasco, which forced Bioware to "address the complaining" and release a "better explained" WTF happened DLC.

[SKAR]

In threads here, on Reddit and in comments on news sites, a lot of new information is measured by one big misconception. Well, unfounded assumption at least. A lot of people seem to be convinced that the colonists leave for Andromeda because of the Reaper thread.

Of course this isn't a crazy idea, but it's still very much unconfirmed (it's not even mentioned in one of the many leaks). I have the feeling this isn't the primary reason the Andromeda Initiative is initiated. There could be other reasons. Exploration for the sake of exploration. The fear that dark energy would make the Milky Way unhabbitable. Fear for the Geth after the events of ME1. There are alternatives.

All we know is that Ryder leaves before big choices are made in Mass Effect 3.

It's too premature to get outraged about: 'But no one believed Shepard about the Reapers!' 'Why would've no one told Shepard!' 'Why wouldn't they put all their energy into the Crucible project!'

Who knows, perhaps the colonists aren't running in panick from Reaper thread and are just like 'yea, ok, I'll come along' and have all the time in the world to prepare.

It could be many things. I know many People's assumptions are frustrating but people are stubborn and if so everyone had the same views we wouldn't be human. I get were you're coming from man.

[Kantr]

I dont think the Devs ever visit the forums anymore. They might visit after the game launch, apart from that though they're not going to listen to the fourm suggestions. You can't build a game based on what the fans want. 

[SKAR]

I dont think the Devs ever visit the forums anymore. They might visit after the game launch, apart from that though they're not going to listen to the fourm suggestions. You can't build a game based on what the fans want.

In a sad way you're kind of right. Hopefully they at least check out the good stuff. Maybe they do check forums or maybe it's just a way for us to vent and whine.

[AlanC9]

"Didn't the Citadel Archives confirm that the leaders of the Council Races believed in Reapers"[/size]
 
One has to believe that the files are constanly being updated. You visit the archives during the ME3 story, always after the cerberus coup. By then, it´s obvious that no one can deny the reapers anymore. And anyone seeing a reaper will surelly recognize the same design configuration as the vessel that attacked the citadel at the end of ME1. [/size]

This isn't a plausible interpretation of the classified recording. It specifies that Sovereign was a "suspected" Reaper. The statement wouldn't be qualified like that if hundreds of the things were flying around.

[Khrystyn]

 

A lot of people seem to be convinced that the colonists leave for Andromeda because of the Reaper thread.

 

 I have the feeling this isn't the primary reason the Andromeda Initiative is initiated. There could be other reasons. There are alternatives.

 

All we know is that Ryder leaves before big choices are made in Mass Effect 3.

 

I have never understood what it is that we really know about the Alliance's activities in the two years while Shepard was being reconstructed. I do not know all the lore of ME, and this time gap seems like a big black box that is unaccounted for; fertile ground to explain the reasons for this new adventure initiative.

 

I really like Armass81's suggestion (above).

[geth47]

Then maybe it´s an old confidential file. By now they certainly have much better intel regarding the reapers. 

[Helios969]

You ever hear of the scientific precept "Occam's Razor?"  Yes, there are other potential explanations, but fleeing from the Reapers seem's the likeliest given our past experiences in the ME-verse.  I personally hope it isn't a venture that takes place a hundred years after the events of ME3.  Kind of defeats the purpose of moving the setting to Andromeda.

[SKAR]

What's so wrong with just going to Andromeda for the sake of exploration? It could be Reapers, it could not be.

[UpUpAway95]

You ever hear of the scientific precept "Occam's Razor?"  Yes, there are other potential explanations, but fleeing from the Reapers seem's the likeliest given our past experiences in the ME-verse.  I personally hope it isn't a venture that takes place a hundred years after the events of ME3.  Kind of defeats the purpose of moving the setting to Andromeda.

 

I think it's been all but confirmed that the departure from the Milky Way takes place before the ending events of ME3, but the arrival in Andromeda takes places 100s of years later.  If we apply Occam's Razor, then that probably means that the events in the Andormeda story take place 100s of years after the ending events of ME3... with the people in the ARK somehow not being able to make contact with the Milky Way galaxy in order to find out about the ending events in ME3.

 

As for the motivation for starting an ARK project in the first place.  That could be exploration... maybe even with a "probe" ARK having left the Galaxy earlier than the rest and perhaps even a VI reporting back over the years right up to the start of ME3 as to that ARK's position and progress.  Perhaps early success at just being able to leave the Milky Way Galaxy at all was enough to encourage people to continue building a few more ARKs and when the Reapers were detected on long-range scanners, this enabled a quick "re-purpose" of the whole project... by quickly going to the various homeworlds, picking up whoever they could grab, putting them quickly into stasis, and then quickly using the relays to get to the edge of the Milky Way galaxy... leaving the Galaxy itself perhaps just hours before the Reapers begin their attacks at the start of ME3.

[geth47]

and the crucible was only able to hit the milky way.

 

Best possible solution achieved. All endings (including the reapers winning) are regarded as possible, but none is assured. 

 

Even better if they left prior to the end of ME2. This way, even if shepard was killed during the final mission the new game could still take place with no problems. 

[animedreamer]

how would they have a new design for the mako, and a in my opinion more stylized normandy (perhaps even bigger for accommodation sake.) if this is all long before the reaper threat was known. The human part of the ark program would have had no reason to NOT believe Shepard after the events of ME1, so your idea fringes on needing it to happen before ME1 concluded. This again in my opinion at least contradicts the technology they seem to have in Andromeda. 

 

Those are my immediate concerns concerning this theory.

[The Night Haunter]

In threads here, on Reddit and in comments on news sites, a lot of new information is measured by one big misconception. Well, unfounded assumption at least. A lot of people seem to be convinced that the colonists leave for Andromeda because of the Reaper thread.
 
Of course this isn't a crazy idea, but it's still very much unconfirmed (it's not even mentioned in one of the many leaks). I have the feeling this isn't the primary reason the Andromeda Initiative is initiated. There could be other reasons. Exploration for the sake of exploration. The fear that dark energy would make the Milky Way unhabbitable. Fear for the Geth after the events of ME1. There are alternatives.
 
All we know is that Ryder leaves before big choices are made in Mass Effect 3.
 
It's too premature to get outraged about: 'But no one believed Shepard about the Reapers!' 'Why would've no one told Shepard!' 'Why wouldn't they put all their energy into the Crucible project!'
 
Who knows, perhaps the colonists aren't running in panick from Reaper thread and are just like 'yea, ok, I'll come along' and have all the time in the world to prepare.

I think you have a point in that we don't know for sure, but what other reasons could there be?
Exploration? Not really feasible since communications with MW is non-existent, so essentially no exploration info would make it back to the MW. All the MW races would be doing is sinking an incredibly unimaginable amount of money into a project that would not only have 0 return on their investment, but they would never even know if the Arks arrived safely.
Dark Matter? Could be, and I'd like it if it were related to this, but I think BioWare decided to drop this whole plot point when they changed ME3's Reapers to be stupid standard evil robots with nothing interesting happening. 
 
Right now, leaving because of the Reapers is pretty much the only theory that makes sense, so for the moment people assume it is true. There isn't anything wrong with this because we know next to nothing about the game anyway.
Fear of the Geth? Also no, because the Geth were beaten by the Council between ME1 and ME2, they were forced to retreat and everyone else is now confident they could take them.

'But no one believed Shepard about the Reapers!' 'Why would've no one told Shepard!' 'Why wouldn't they put all their energy into the Crucible project!'

We meet people who did believe Shep, they just keep it on the dl because they don't want to sound like crazy loons.
Shepard was in jail/house-arrest/under-suspicion-of-being-cerberus at the time so it makes 100% sense that no-one would tell him`.
Sometimes you can't put more effort into something. As a Software Engineer it is blatantly obvious that sometimes adding more people to a team would only end up slowing it down. Plus the whole don't put your eggs in one basket, especially when that basket is powered by space magic you don't understand, and everyone is really just hoping it works because no-one has any kind of clue what exactly they are making.

Not saying it is 100% 'run from Reapers!' I am just saying it is the best theory we've got measuring other info by it makes sense. And berating people for it makes no sense.

[Rascoth]

God, people. Again theories after theories. Yet this thread is exactly about that - people repeating theories to the point where some start taking about them as a certainty. No one says Reaper war refugees theory is wrong - but it's bad that it's slowly becomes a "fact" when there's no official confirmation. 

[UpUpAway95]

John F. Kennedy (1962):

 

 

"But why, some say, the Moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask, why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? ...

We choose to go to the Moon. We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills; because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept...

[Monk]

In threads here, on Reddit and in comments on news sites, a lot of new information is measured by one big misconception. Well, unfounded assumption at least. A lot of people seem to be convinced that the colonists leave for Andromeda because of the Reaper thread.

 

Of course this isn't a crazy idea, but it's still very much unconfirmed (it's not even mentioned in one of the many leaks). I have the feeling this isn't the primary reason the Andromeda Initiative is initiated. There could be other reasons. Exploration for the sake of exploration. The fear that dark energy would make the Milky Way unhabbitable. Fear for the Geth after the events of ME1. There are alternatives.

 

All we know is that Ryder leaves before big choices are made in Mass Effect 3.

 

It's too premature to get outraged about: 'But no one believed Shepard about the Reapers!' 'Why would've no one told Shepard!' 'Why wouldn't they put all their energy into the Crucible project!'

 

Who knows, perhaps the colonists aren't running in panick from Reaper thread and are just like 'yea, ok, I'll come along' and have all the time in the world to prepare.

 

Doesn't really [help] that the last vid starts off with "Our survival as a species" and later mentions about finding a new home.

 

Just saying. 

[animedreamer]

 

 

Doesn't really that the last vid starts off with "Our survival as a species" and later mentions about finding a new home.

 

Just saying. 

 

Damn.... Cold as Ice.

[Rascoth]

Doesn't really that the last vid starts off with "Our survival as a species" and later mentions about finding a new home.

 

Just saying. 

"Our survival as a species has always depended on our drive to seek out the undiscovered." <- full sentence. For me it doesn't sound like confirmation of refugees theory (more like pointing out our explorers' nature), but well.