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[Monk]

"Our survival as a species has always depended on our drive to seek out the undiscovered." <- full sentence. For me it doesn't sound like confirmation of refugees theory (more like pointing out our explorers' nature), but well. 

 

Ya left out the second part. And what this, what i posted, demonstrates is foreshadowing, so while not explicit, it is implied that something's up. But hey, this is marketing so BioWare could still pull a Keyser Söze on us, switch it over to exploration then go "lulz we meant it explicitly."

[Rascoth]

Ya left out the second part. And what this, what i posted, demonstrates is foreshadowing, so while not explicit, it is implied that something's up. But hey, this is marketing so BioWare could still pull a Keyser Söze on us, switch it over to exploration then go "lulz we meant it explicitly."

Because "finding a new home" is nothing... well... new. Colonies in Milky Way were also "new home", when you think about it. And bolded. Who knows what's true and what's pretty words?

 

Either way, until we hear clear confirmation in game (or some other trusted source) why we left to Andromeda, we shouldn't take theory as fact. Unfortunately some people start doing that.

 

For clarification, I'm not arguing against refugees theory. Actually, it's my favourite theory. It's just not confirmed and it's hard to watch people treat it as fact, since it's bound to cause drama, if it's not true.

[Mcfly616]

People tend to think the Ark initiative is due to the Reaper threat because its the only "good" reason to even go on an intergalactic voyage. Exploration for the sake of exploration is the most idiotic reason due to the fact that we have yet to explore 99% of the galaxy we currently reside in. You don't go exploring entirely new galaxies when you haven't even wandered around your own cosmic backyard. As for dark energy: it's dead. Put a fork in it. You can bet the half-baked concept won't be the reason for leaving the Milky Way. 

 

You're right though, the reason for leaving hasn't been confirmed. Bioware could easily have us leaving for one asinine reason or another. But most people tend to lean towards the one logical reason: Reapers. 

 

 

No reason to go looking for a new home unless you're aware that your current home and all the potential habitable worlds in your galaxy are up for imminent culling.

[AlanC9]

God, people. Again theories after theories. Yet this thread is exactly about that - people repeating theories to the point where some start taking about them as a certainty. No one says Reaper war refugees theory is wrong - but it's bad that it's slowly becomes a "fact" when there's no official confirmation.

I don't see how it's bad. If it's contradicted we drop the theory. Until then, what's the problem?

[Rascoth]

I don't see how it's bad. If it's contradicted we drop the theory. Until then, what's the problem?

Theorizing is not bad. But... If only everyone could just "drop the theory". Then I wouldn't say a word. I'm just afraid, if not true (Reaper war refugees theory), new threads how we were mislead will appear (once again I'm speaking about those, who start to believe that this theory is fact/confirmed). There's still going to be many complain threads, but "simply" about how unreasonable the reason for our journey to Andromeda is.

[Moghedia]

We know for a fact the arks could not have left after the detonation of the crucible. Otherwise Bioware would have to legitimize one of their technicolor endings, and that can of worms is the very reason they left the milky way in the rear view mirror.

[Totally Not a Poodle]

People tend to think the Ark initiative is due to the Reaper threat because its the only "good" reason to even go on an intergalactic voyage. Exploration for the sake of exploration is the most idiotic reason due to the fact that we have yet to explore 99% of the galaxy we currently reside in. You don't go exploring entirely new galaxies when you haven't even wandered around your own cosmic backyard. As for dark energy: it's dead. Put a fork in it. You can bet the half-baked concept won't be the reason for leaving the Milky Way. 
 
You're right though, the reason for leaving hasn't been confirmed. Bioware could easily have us leaving for one asinine reason or another. But most people tend to lean towards the one logical reason: Reapers. 
 
 
No reason to go looking for a new home unless you're aware that your current home and all the potential habitable worlds in your galaxy are up for imminent culling.

So what's your take on the initiatives to get us to Mars? We still haven't discovered a great deal of our own planet.

[AlanC9]

Theorizing is not bad. But... If only everyone could just "drop the theory". Then I wouldn't say a word. I'm just afraid, if not true (Reaper war refugees theory), new threads how we were mislead will appear (once again I'm speaking about those, who start to believe that this theory is fact/confirmed). There's still going to be many complain threads, but "simply" about how unreasonable the reason for our journey to Andromeda is.

OK, but if you're worried about people being idiots, this is not the place to hang out.

[Rascoth]

OK, but if you're worried about people being idiots, this is not the place to hang out.

But where is safe from idiots? Might as well stay here and enjoy some discussions about BioWare's games.

[YourFunnyUncle]

John F. Kennedy (1962):

It was a good speech, but what he really meant was "we choose to go to the moon because it's the cold war and we want to show that our technology is superior to that of the Soviets."

[Fogg]

 

 

Doesn't really [help] that the last vid starts off with "Our survival as a species" and later mentions about finding a new home.

 

Just saying. 

 

 

Again, could be the dark energy thing

[Fogg]

I don't see how it's bad. If it's contradicted we drop the theory. Until then, what's the problem?

 

Well, too many people already get mad because they think it's a fact

[Arcian]

John F. Kennedy (1962):

Top 10 speeches US also world.

[Monk]

Again, could be the dark energy thing

 

True. It could even be the threat of the Leviathan in regaining its hold on the galaxy once Shepard finishes cleaning up the Reapers.

[Kierro Ren]

Well, too many people already get mad because they think it's a fact

 

It's what people believe, big damn deal. People believe the Big Bang is factual. Some people believe Christianity is factual. Some people believe Allah is factual. Some believe aliens are factual. Some people believe Buddha's fac... nvm... Point being, let people believe in their theories, because they might actually be true. You complain about factual "Leaving because of the Reapers" theories. Like you're so sure it's not. Almost like it's a fact. Yet, you could be wrong and these theories are correct. The reason people believe in the departure is due to the Reapers. Is because it's been said the ARKs leave before major ME3 choices. Only "major" choices I can think of are the endings. After Thesia, the Asari Councillor says "I-I need to make preparations." Also, quoting Hacket about the Crucible "It's massive. We haven't seen anything like it." AND if you look at the ARKs (which are obliviously massive), it looks like there's crucible orbs in the center. So if the ARKs were already built, Hacket's claim of the Crucible being unlike anything they've seen, is invalid. The ARKs most likely were built during the Crucible's construction, as a fail safe, incase the Crucible didn't work.

[Spectr61]

Good point,

But what is the difference between wrong, and so wrong?

[Mcfly616]

So what's your take on the initiatives to get us to Mars? We still haven't discovered a great deal of our own planet.

 Sure. Like, the bottom of our oceans (maybe). Other than that, our globe is mapped. The earth is now "smaller" than it has ever been. Unless you're digging in the dirt or scraping the ocean floor, you're probably not seeing anything that someone hasn't seen before. (let's be honest, we're talking about a "great deal". I'd say 99% of the Milky Way is a great deal. What's left uncharted here on Earth? Not a great deal at all.)

 

Mars? Your block seems like a logical next step after you've discovered every square foot of your own house. But, I'm with NdGT and Bill Nye....Unless we figure out how to terraform, Mars is a waste. If we can't figure out how to master our own planet (and combat/reverse human-caused climate change), Mars is nothing more than a field trip.

[Kierro Ren]

Good point,

But what is the difference between wrong, and so wrong?

 

Touché, my Drell friend.

[Monk]

Good point,

But what is the difference between wrong, and so wrong?

 

"so"?

[Medhia_Nox]

In threads here, on Reddit and in comments on news sites, a lot of new information is measured by one big misconception. Well, unfounded assumption at least. A lot of people seem to be convinced that the colonists leave for Andromeda because of the Reaper thread.

 

Of course this isn't a crazy idea, but it's still very much unconfirmed (it's not even mentioned in one of the many leaks). I have the feeling this isn't the primary reason the Andromeda Initiative is initiated. There could be other reasons. Exploration for the sake of exploration. The fear that dark energy would make the Milky Way unhabbitable. Fear for the Geth after the events of ME1. There are alternatives.

 

All we know is that Ryder leaves before big choices are made in Mass Effect 3.

 

It's too premature to get outraged about: 'But no one believed Shepard about the Reapers!' 'Why would've no one told Shepard!' 'Why wouldn't they put all their energy into the Crucible project!'

 

Who knows, perhaps the colonists aren't running in panick from Reaper thread and are just like 'yea, ok, I'll come along' and have all the time in the world to prepare.

 

I will abandon this franchise if this were the reason (no, it's not some kind of threat, one sale isn't going to go noticed). 

 

If 10,000 star systems had been explored in the Milky Way (ME 1,2 and 3 show what?  50 tops?) by the time of the Reapers (a silly number to consider in itself) - that would still be close to .001 of the Milky Way explored.

 

Heading across the ludicrous expanse between galaxies for curiosity would totally lose me as I would see it almost mocking anyone who knows anything about space.  

 

The only one I currently find palatable is the refugee theory.  

[In Exile]

Ok.

But remember when the ME3 demo came out and everyone was worried about the lack of dialogue options (in the intro level at least)?

The devs later said that the first mission would have more choice in dialogue, as well as the full game.

Look how that turned out.

Worrying about something now means they can look at these discussions and address issues (whatever you wanna call them) before it's too late. Of course, that never stopped them before, extremely unlikely it will work now.

But we keep trying.

Personally, I don't want my new protagonist running off to another galaxy in a expedition to escape the Reapers. That, to me, is the coward's way out, regardless of what I can choose to be Ryder's personal motivations.

But the devs were right. There was a lot more dialogue in the game - and lots of varied and different dialogue across multiple quests and characters who were often exclusives based on your past choices. Sure the game wasn't reactive enough with plots and locations because some characters were borderline substitutes, but that's not exactly disproving that statement.

I'm pretty sure the devs count Mars as part of the first mission.

[In Exile]

You ever hear of the scientific precept "Occam's Razor?" Yes, there are other potential explanations, but fleeing from the Reapers seem's the likeliest given our past experiences in the ME-verse. I personally hope it isn't a venture that takes place a hundred years after the events of ME3. Kind of defeats the purpose of moving the setting to Andromeda.

Before. Setting it before allows the writers to avoid talking about a genocidal space villain that will not feature in the game. And the marketing is all about exploration - not just gameplay, but theme. That's what makes me sceptical about the refugee angle.

[Unata]

I'm wondering if the groups have anything to do with the construction or supply of the Ark(s), Alliance Naval Exploration Flotilla in conjunction with Baria Frontiers, there is a minor mention of them in me3 war assets, what caught my eye was the mention of a minor scandal of them possibly giving locations of rich mining areas to Baria in the year 2185 (ME1 ending ME2 start) why they need rich mining concerns, both are exploration groups.

[jtav]

Never, ever underestimate the human drive to do something because we can. While there were a fair number of religious refugees, the Americas were settled by people looking to get rich. It wouldn't be that implausible to find 40,000 people who just want to get away from the Milky Way.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

In threads here, on Reddit and in comments on news sites, a lot of new information is measured by one big misconception. Well, unfounded assumption at least. A lot of people seem to be convinced that the colonists leave for Andromeda because of the Reaper thread.

 

Of course this isn't a crazy idea, but it's still very much unconfirmed (it's not even mentioned in one of the many leaks). I have the feeling this isn't the primary reason the Andromeda Initiative is initiated. There could be other reasons. Exploration for the sake of exploration. The fear that dark energy would make the Milky Way unhabbitable. Fear for the Geth after the events of ME1. There are alternatives.

 

All we know is that Ryder leaves before big choices are made in Mass Effect 3.

 

It's too premature to get outraged about: 'But no one believed Shepard about the Reapers!' 'Why would've no one told Shepard!' 'Why wouldn't they put all their energy into the Crucible project!'

 

Who knows, perhaps the colonists aren't running in panick from Reaper thread and are just like 'yea, ok, I'll come along' and have all the time in the world to prepare.

 

Good point.

A very good point.